Jodha Akbar 37-40: Turbulent beginnings - Page 8

Originally posted by: devkidmd

I really wanted to avoid jumping in the fray and feed this fire but just couldn't resist.😆

Anyway, my two cents...

Jodha has been just married into a completely different culture and religion to the enemy.

She has been humiliated, terrorised and made a joke of en route to Agra by her own dear husband.😭

1)Jalal telling MA to get Jodha to sing in front of all his men.👎🏼

2)Talking about koova and paani in front of his courtiers about his new wife. Really??? You could almost see Sharif salivating at the picture Jalal's words conjured up in his mind.👎🏼

3)Going into her Khema when she refused to oblige and literally terrorising her out of her mind. Imagine, the most powerful man in the country threatening you in the face in that maniacal way that he did.

Of course to us it was all very romantic and hot(especially because of Jalal...) because we know where they are headed but Jodha does not.

4)The chicken trick. Again very romantic for us but really a very mean and low trick to pull on someone who is your newly wedded wife. It would have been different if this was a normal marriage or if Jalal was genuinely hurt.

MA's face said it all. It is almost as if he wanted to make a servant out of Jodha.

Then after doing this, he walks out of there and right in front of all his men, slashes the bandage open and swings the sword around and then walks away with a smile and bounce.👎🏼

How can this not undermine Jodha's standing in front of all his subordinates? Unfortunately Jodha sees all this.😭

Agra: Jodha is thrust into this totally alien world...one look at how Ruksar begum shoves that paan into her own mouth after Jodha refuses it is enough to tell us just how different.😕

Her only ray of hope is Hamida Begum, though there is no relation there...yet.

After 1,3 and 4 above I think Jodha was totally justified holding her nose up high. In fact if you ask me.. it was not high enough.😒 Nowhere did she come across as indignified to me. She could have been a little more diplomatic but give me a frank up front woman anyday over one who pretends sweetness and submission, be it Queen or not.

The problem is that just as Jodha is still grappling with the thought that Jalal is her husband, Jalal too has not really accepted her as his wife. If Jodha were a little soft towards him, he would have probably not been as riled up. But then to me this Jodha is more my kind. Someone who is honest in her feelings without any facade.

I hope the real HK was at least somewhat similar to this one. He had tons of other women who might have been submissive and willing do to whatever he wanted.

There! Not that I added anything of value to this conversation...😆

Have a great rest of your Sunday!

Originally posted by: devkidmd

I really wanted to avoid jumping in the fray and feed this fire but just couldn't resist.😆

Anyway, my two cents...

Jodha has been just married into a completely different culture and religion to the enemy.

She has been humiliated, terrorised and made a joke of en route to Agra by her own dear husband.😭

1)Jalal telling MA to get Jodha to sing in front of all his men.👎🏼

2)Talking about koova and paani in front of his courtiers about his new wife. Really??? You could almost see Sharif salivating at the picture Jalal's words conjured up in his mind.👎🏼

3)Going into her Khema when she refused to oblige and literally terrorising her out of her mind. Imagine, the most powerful man in the country threatening you in the face in that maniacal way that he did.

Of course to us it was all very romantic and hot(especially because of Jalal...) because we know where they are headed but Jodha does not.

4)The chicken trick. Again very romantic for us but really a very mean and low trick to pull on someone who is your newly wedded wife. It would have been different if this was a normal marriage or if Jalal was genuinely hurt.

MA's face said it all. It is almost as if he wanted to make a servant out of Jodha.

Then after doing this, he walks out of there and right in front of all his men, slashes the bandage open and swings the sword around and then walks away with a smile and bounce.👎🏼

How can this not undermine Jodha's standing in front of all his subordinates? Unfortunately Jodha sees all this.😭

Agra: Jodha is thrust into this totally alien world...one look at how Ruksar begum shoves that paan into her own mouth after Jodha refuses it is enough to tell us just how different.😕

Her only ray of hope is Hamida Begum, though there is no relation there...yet.

After 1,3 and 4 above I think Jodha was totally justified holding her nose up high. In fact if you ask me.. it was not high enough.😒Nowhere did she come across as indignified to me. She could have been a little more diplomatic but give me a frank up front woman anyday over one who pretends sweetness and submission, be it Queen or not.

The problem is that just as Jodha is still grappling with the thought that Jalal is her husband, Jalal too has not really accepted her as his wife. If Jodha were a little soft towards him, he would have probably not been as riled up. But then to me this Jodha is more my kind. Someone who is honest in her feelings without any facade.

I hope the real HK was at least somewhat similar to this one. He had tons of other women who might have been submissive and willing to play along.

There! Not that I added anything of value to this conversation...😆

Have a great rest of your Sunday!

Originally posted by: elasingh

Sorry dear. ...but I don't agree with few things that you have said. .yes Ruq instigated jalal against jodha but should a king of jalal's stature be so easily instigated?..I feel he is more at fault then Ruq because keeping jodha's honour is his responsibility not Ruq"s...secondly no matter how good a person jalal is he should not have made jodha sing in court. ..

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Meena,

I am glad to welcome you on board my threads, and I would like to thank you, firstly, for liking this post so much, and then for such detailed comments. You have indeed covered a lot of ground, and I particularly liked the parts that I have marked in blue. I have also added a couple of comments in blue italics, especially about the servant bit re: the chicken con trick, where I do not agree with you.

Shyamala (Aunty? Di? Akka?)

Originally posted by: meenakaliswaran

Ruq is his first wife of jalal who is with him from his childhood as a playing partner not as a youngman wife she came so she is so much deep in jalu ela more over he wants jodha to be under him as he say ur my gift for win Amer so he doesn't even think that she is a woman r a new wedded wife for him she is his gift from Bharmal n whom he wanted to make as his personal property by any means like Ruq thinks jalu is her personal property her he doesn't see her he see only him n his pride which was hurt by Jodha behavior as said by ruq jalu in first don't think more he react what he hears it was seen in BK matter he hears MA n made BK wrong who is more than a father to him he didn't hate him but he got anger n the think was given by MA n RUq made him against BK like tHAT HER rUQ WORDS MADE HIM NOTHING TO THINK N HE WANT JUST TO COOL HIS ANGER MADE THAT WAY TO MAKE JO SINGING s jo told he doesn't have right to call her in a ppl filled court n ask her to sing for him its not the way to treat a wife their he accept it n why he made it again because he want revenge on Jodha behavior n so he did it here both where wrong that y HB not said any word

Originally posted by: adiana12

Mandy, it's very probable that physical intimacy in this relationship may have come after a period of acclamatization for Jodha. And having read about the kind of man Akbar was, it's even more probable that he may have given his cross cultural bride this time. But what I object to is this depiction which takes away the dignity of the woman and her womanhood - my Jodha would have asked her husband the Emperor time to learn her new ways without the added emotional burden of performing in the bedroom and would have got this time from the man who was a real visionary. Even in the current context of hate story, I would have preferred a dignified Begum who keeps a public facade in return for breathing space and definitely one who keeps her bedroom tales between herself and her husband instead of speaking to her co-wife and her maid (Moti may be treated as a friend but she is a maid and these matters are too delicate even among ordinary folk and this is royalty).

Courage without intelligence and common-sense is a waste of energy and EK has done a grave injustice to all women by portraying her women in such a manner.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Mandy, my dear,

As is very often the case, I agree completely with all that you have written here. Rarely is such a perfect casting coup so foolishly wasted. But then again, maybe Ekta was catering to her target audience after all, only that did not include the likes of us!

As for Jodha's behaviour towards Jalal, my grouse against her is not that she detests him, but that she shows it in public. She owes it, not so much to Jalal, but to Hamida Bano, and most of all to herself, to preserve a reasonable facade for public consumption.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: alffim

Dear Shyamala!
Thank you! This is helpful for me! You very accurately noted. Jalal is not inherent pettiness, he has a high sense of nobility, honesty and fairness.
As has been very accurately wrote, she is great to know how to behave with everyone except Jalal.
Jodha have another great talent - she awakes up all the worst thing in the nature of Jalal, makes him a monster. :😛
As he says later in the scene shooting Jodha archery: "Probably, the inability to understand people is also one of your talents."
The trouble is not that she does not understand, she doesn't want to understand Jalal.
I run ahead, but then her mother say, "If you married the Rajput, whether you could even think of such behavior?"
But it then raises the question of snobbery Jodha, which was cultivated in her since the childhood. For her, the Mughal - uncivilized barbarians? (But no one not looking for enemies good quality?)