Originally posted by: Sandhya.A
I did notice the alertness in Shivanand's eyes when the books were mentioned but what could it mean unless it wasn't Shivanand at all but some Mad-eyed-Moody having drunk poly juice potion except that the real Shivanand had no hair from which to make the potion.
I have stopped inferring from flickers and face changes in our serials as even the tracks executed for days don't make sense sometimes.
Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@Arshics sometimes Guru also has to take tough steps. Tough steps to protect dharma. if you look from Bhairavi's perspective Rudra is the most important person who needs to be protected. If he dies then the war is over. Though with the initial gyaan he is able to do his duty somewhat, he has not fully blossomed. He cannot go into face off with Dansh till he has the right power. In other words the vital organ his heart is protected.
Now I will drew a parallel with Mahabharath. Krishna, Arjun's friend and uncle of Abhimanyu knowing fully well what the fate had in store for the lad took Arjun away from the field to allow Abhi enter Chakravyuh. Krishna knew Arjun know how to enter Chakravyuh and come out, while poor Abhi knew how to enter only. Irrespective of that on 13th day God himself allowed the brutal murder of a 16 year old. Yes I could watch the pitayi of MB yesterday , but neither as a 8 year girl nor as a 32 year old woman I could watch the brutal murder of Abhi on screen. Why did Krishna allow that. Why didn't he allow Arjun to enter Chakravyuh.
I too am yet to watch that episode onscreen. I have never been able to bring myself to do so.Reason Krishna knew Arjun has to be protected at any cost for the victory of the war. If something happens to Arjun Pandavas morale will be lost. For the victory of Dharma Arjun was needed. And Krishna didn't allow Arjun to enter Chakravyuh for the reason Karna possessed a weapon called Shakti or power which he was planning to use on Arjun. With that weapon Arjun can never come face to face combat with Karna because God himself didn't had the defense for that. hence to protect Arjuna Krishna sacrificed Abhi, created the illusion and then sacrificed Ghatolkach so that Shakti goes.For victory of Dharma harsh measures are required. One who knows it will use it. And Krishna didn't explain any of his action to anyone. Because we know MB we find meanings to her actions. Because Krishna's actions are called Leelas, they need to understood only at right time, because if told the intended purpose wont happen.Same is with the action of Bairavi. if she tells everything the Garuds will not understand it or are not in a position to understand, but in due course they will understand why she did what she did.
She is something far above the other garuds. Listen to her telling the other garuds that she was sparing their lives because eventually they would be doing her work. She is clearly the Krishna of this Mahakumbh, and the only pity is that Rudra does not, as of now, have, for MB, the faith that Arjuna had in Krishna.Before coming face to face with Dansh, Rudra has to get the right power by his side or in other words Dansh has to lose his power. For that Bairavi will take harsher measures.
Originally posted by: sashashyam
I do not see Bhairavi as capable of being needlessly cruel; she is not the kind to enjoy inflicting pain. So if she, who is totally dedicated to the Mission Amrit, does this kind of thing, it is because it is necessary. She is not thrashing Shivanand, but the demon lurking inside him, and this only because there is no other way. Avoiding this beating is a luxury she cannot afford.Precisely. This is the bottom line.
The other garuds hardly know her, but Rudra the Garuda Pramukh, who exists only because she picked him up, healed him, boosted his morale and guided him, surely should understand her better and have more faith in her actions being rational.
If he really reveres her as his guru, surely he should at least think that there has to be a reason for her totally uncharacteristic behaviour, and ask her why she thinks it necessary to do this? But he does not, and it is here that he fails.Even if Bhairavi doesn't give him answers, still I see no reason why he should lose his faith in her. Besides, if Rudra has faith in Bhairavi, all the Garuds will follow suit. Atleast Charles, TM and Katherine will. DM seems to be more of Rao's shishya for now. I have a feeling that the reason for Bhairavi removing the books is because she suspects Prof. Rao.
Originally posted by: sashashyam
Thank you so very much, my dear, but would you believe it, it was such a drag to write! I do not know how I finally stumbled across the finis line.
Today, Jazzy, I was in stitches all thru, and for two pins I would have given the relentlessly OTT Shivanand a couple of whacks with that lathi myself, for boring me half to death😉 - though not on his head, poor thing! . Here they are with just 42 episodes left, and almost 2/3 rds of an episode, spread over yesterday and today, has been devoted to a snivelling, weeping Shivanand!I think the length of the scene was unnecessarily dragged, otherwise I felt the acting was top-notch. Anybody, even the epitome of beauty Aishwarya Rai, would look terrible when they contort their face in agony, and MW isn't an exception is what I feel. Even the likes of Shobana and Vidya Balan who I consider are very good looking and splendid actresses looked considerably less pleasing to the eyes in their respective movies where they played mentally imbalanced roles.
The garuds seem right now to be a lost case, what with MB having disappeared (with the Books) and tthe imperious Garuda Pramukh babbling that he stands for insaniyat, ie admitting Dansh's mole Leela into the garud sanctum sanctorum just on Rudra's say so. He might want his fellow garuds (minus MB) + Rao to forget who Leela is and where she has come from, but you can bet your bottom dollar that she will not!I agree. I have never been a fan of Rudra and his straight as an arrow moral values. If I were to have a foxhole buddy and Rudra was the only choice available, I would go forward as a lone ranger😆
I see that you subscribe to the mantra beloved of mystery story writers, the least likely person done it!😉 No, I do not think it is Dr. Rao, and in any case the close up in the precap could have been almost anyone!I still stand by it.
I do watch Reporters regularly, and I like it a lot. I am duly flattered that you want me to comment in that forum, but no thanks, my dear. I have no desire to run into catfights between the fans of Rajeev and those of Kritika, or those of Krijeev/Rajtika!😉 Plus, it is a nice Mills and Boonish story, and what can there be to analyse there? But if you should open a thread there, do PM me and I will come and add my tuppennyworth.
I understand your apprehensions in joining the forum😆 You know, I was once a part of the biggest hell zone forum on IF and I totally get your POV about rabid fan bullies😃 But yes, if ever I do post on that forum, I'd definitely DM you😳
Shyamala Aunty
Originally posted by: sashashyam
Mahakumbh 78: A contrary view
Folks,
I could as well have titled this In defence of MB, for that is what I felt like doing after watching an episode that had many here up in arms about MB's excessive violence towards not just Shivanand but also the other 3 garuds, her haughtiness in refusing to explain anything to her fellow garuds, and her generally dictatorial behaviour.In short, the consensus seemed to be that MB had flipped her lid.
I do not believe any such thing, nor would I accuse MB of excessive violence. Let us take the shindy in the library first. The whacks given to the 3 garuds in the library were straight out of the 1960s mythologicals, especially the blows with a (magic) staff, that used to have kids in whoops. 😉What was there so serious about that?
Yes, MB could have explained a bit more to the garuds, and perhaps even she seems to be falling prey to the TV soap mantra: never explain even the simplest things in time, and end up fomenting misunderstandings galore.
Rudra falls short: MB does try to explain her modus operandi to Rudra, but does not manage to carry conviction to him, partly because it is his father who is being thrashed so hard, and partly because Rudra turns out, in a crunch situation, to lack the samarpan towards his guru, and the faith, the vishwas, the shraddha, in the guru, that are the hallmarks of a good shishya.
As Shreya (sp108) has put it beautifully in a post on Arshi's latest thread,
Here is Bhairavi who gave you enlightenment, who made you see the true purpose in your life. She gave you punarjanma. Have faith in her. Without Shraddha or faith in the Guru, no one can reach a higher level of understanding. And why doesn't Rudra question himself - can he have more compassion than his Guru? No. Absolutely no. If Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, it only reflects her compassion. But what kind of Shishya are you who can't see the compassion and concern of your Guru?
I agree with her cent per cent. But then Rudra has always been a weakling in the spirit, unable to think a thing out for himself, swayed by instant emotions, and always having to cling to someone else's mind in order to be able to formulate his own ideas. The sole exception to this rule was the bombs incident, but it now seems to be the exception that proves the rule. In this, he resembles the invariably mahaan TV soap bahus, except that he is the wrong gender! 😉So it not surprising that at crunch time, he is found wanting.
Instead, he is, as usual, facilely emotional, babbling about insaaniyat and how he cannot see anyone in pain. I begin to wonder why they ever made him the Garuda Pramukh. It is ironic that his first sally into insaaniyat is directed at a non-insaan, the naga mole Leela.😉
Sinister hint about Shivanand: Besides, so overwrought is he that he does not even grasp a key point in what MB told him, a point that struck me. If he had grasped the significance of her warning, it would have been crucial to his under standing of what is really going on.
This is about MB hissing at him not to discuss the Two Books in front of Shivanand, for then they would not be safe.For that one instant, as Shivanand's face was shown in the gap between Rudra and MB, I spotted a fleeting look of sly satisfaction in his eye, as if someone else were looking out of his eyes and observing the MB-Rudra spat with malicious satisfaction.
The next instant it was gone, and I wondered if I had imagined it. But after factoring in MB's warning to Rudra, I am sure that I was correct. Even otherwise, Shivanand's weeping and moaning and yelling seem greatly overdone.I now feel it was all a sham, and that Dansh's poison is slowly eviscerating the garud in Shivanand and replacing with a sinister substitute, a naga mole. I have not seen the latest promo, but I am told it hints at something like this.
The pitayi: But as for the beating Shiva got, it was nothing, but nothing compared to the way in which Dansh murdered Daadi, with intense relish, and then killed 2 gagged victims in cold blood just to addle Shiva's brains. Not many here were bothered with that truly sadistic violence, whereas MB's pitayi seems to be raising a lot of hackles. I cannot comprehend this.
If this is true, the blowback of Rudra's lack of faith in MB will be terrible, for then he will face an enemy in his own camp, his former Baba. It might then be almost too late. But only almost , as this is a fairy story, not real life!
In fact, after the first shock to the viewer, it seemed to be straight out of the (invariably violent) Tom and Jerry cartoons. I was in stitches, and for two pins I would have given the relentlessly OTT Shivanand a couple of whacks with that lathi myself, for boring me half to death😉 - though not on his head, poor thing! Here they are with just 42 episodes left, and almost 2/3 rds of an episode, spread over yesterday and today, has been devoted to a snivelling, weeping Shivanand!
Then again, we know that MB is acting for the good of the garuds, which is a crucial factor.
Need for faith : I do agree that it looked very off-putting simply because the perpetrator was MB, the epitome of wisdom among the garuds. But for that very reason, should we not avoid reacting like Rudra and condemning her out of hand?
Given that she is wise and all knowing - something that she has proved repeatedly in the recent past - and that but for her presence and her powers, the garuds, beginning with Rudra, would be in an even sorrier state than they are now, should not Rudra have had more faith in her? if she does seem to be thrashing his Baba with what looks like unacceptable harshness, should he not have tried to find out why she is doing this?
It looked to me too strange that one can leach poison out of a person by beating him, but Shreya has pointed out that "when Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, he tries to put all his strength to break the shackles. And that gives Bhairavi hope and she continues beating him up. It is the poison which has made him unaware of his powers. And Bhairavi is beating the bhoot/poison out of him".
Even without noting all this, Rudra, who owes his punarjanma to her, should have never assumed that she is doing wrong. On the contrary, he should have taken it for granted that there had to be a valid reason for what she was doing and he should have asked her what it was.
But he does nothing of the kind, and literally drives her away with a Garud Pramukh ka aadesh. He will soon find out the consequences of his lack of faith.
Red carpet for the naga mole: Rudra then proceeds to commit his first new folly: accepting Leela into the garuda fold, and ordering his fellow garuds (minus MB) + Rao to forget who Leela is and where she has come from, but you can bet your bottom dollar that she will not!
So I was right and Dansh has smuggled her into the garud camp, after slapping her hard enough to draw blood and make it convincing for her to pose as a shoshit abla naari, no, shoshit abla naagin. Now there is a chap who knows what he wants and how to get it. The garuds, headed by Rudra, know neither.😲
The Naga tunnel: Drish has started drilling in the Mahakumbh area, which reminded me of Ocean's Thirteen and the tunnelling under the Las Vegas casinos. Well, we mock our scripts, but there, they mentioned specifically that they had brought the Chunnel tunnelling drill. Can you imagine that digging under a casino? The whole gaming floor would have collapsed first thing. But they were not at all bothered with that huge bloomer in the script!😉 Nor, it seems, were the audiences that made the film a hit!
Shyamala/Aunty/Di/Akka
I have a feeling that the reason for Bhairavi removing the books is because she suspects Prof. Rao.
Originally posted by: shruthiravi
And coming to Abhimanyu murder in MB even if I read that part in books, tears start rolling from my eyes even without me knowing it. Especially the last part and all where the youngster takes the wheel of the chariot and fight. What a bravery, what a fight till the last minute and the youngster saved Yudhi and the war on 13th day. And to think the real reason of that brutal murder was a stupid game of dice in which the so called Dharmaputr couldn't take any sensible action😡 thanks to his misquoted dharma.
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