B R Chopra portrayal of Karna with reference to KMG - Page 23

Originally posted by: Cotswolds

But TheWatcher.. Hearing all those sins.. Karna hung his head in shame. He did not try to refute nor was he upset due to krishna's blatant lie. This goes on to prove krishna words were true.

So you also agree here that Krishna does have a tendency to over praise or heap unworthy praise.. That is precisely the point of other members.. 

My apologies - I forgot to add 'IF' in my last sentence.

Karna had no time to refute, Arjuna got angry and started firing shafts at him, I don't expect him to go on a debate rather than baffle Arjuna's shafts.     

Just because someone did not refute someone's claims, doesn't make it true.
Edited by TheWatcher - 9 years ago

this will probably be my last post in this thread since i think there is not much left to discuss anymore things are just going round and round in circles

All i wanted to say is my true and at least as per me my unbiased opinion on karna

i dont view karna as a traditional hero for me he is grey shaded character who has negative sides to himself as well as positive side

he begins as an anti hero who is a capable warrior and wants to prove that to the world in the process gets involved with unrighteous people .And then starts his journey towards being one of the antagonists from just an anti hero.He is involved in some despicable acts  and seems to only have a negative side to his character which gets highly enhanced in dyut sabha

but then one gets to see a different side to this character in his conversation with surya dev and then indra dev .A person who is always ready to fulfill his vow no matter what even if it means to give away his life .At this point he doesn't seem like just a villain but perhaps some one who is capable of being better .Then the truth of his identity gets revealed to him the very people he hated turn out to be his brother's and he is offered to lead those enemies now brothers and marry their wife and rule over them.And now this guy who has committed despicable acts against his enemies cum brothers ,whom he always wanted to kill and hurt all of sudden refuses this offer.He thinks that  his enemies cum brother's are righteous and deserve to win then he further he  even promises to spare their life(4 of them)

at this point its clear he is just not an antagonist or a villain he is so much more than that a character who can be loved and hated ,criticized and appreciated

which makes him the most interesting character for me and one of my fav

and i think the same thing applies to many other characters as well.they can appreciated for something and criticized for some other

for example like yudhistir (since urmila pointed out to him)yes i do criticize him for dyut sabha but despite that he is one if my favs',Because certain other things he does overpowers what he did in dyut sabha for me

some of them are

1)the way he takes care of dhrit and gandhari after the war

2)He is the only one who realizes the destruction this war has caused and laments it

3)He was ambitious but he knew when to keep his ambition on this side and think of bigger things something that dury couldn't which is why he sent the peace proposal

4)Out of all panadavs he is the one who comes up with strategies on his own hence the most intelligent

personally i don't hate any one in mahabharat for me all character's can be appreciated for some acts and criticized for other acts

here ends my last post as for other members enjoyed discussing with you guys hope you guys enjoy further discussions😊
Edited by Sabhayata - 9 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

My apologies - I forgot to add 'IF' in my last sentence.

Karna had no time to refute, Arjuna got angry and started firing shafts at him, I don't expect him to go on a debate rather than baffle Arjuna's shafts.     

Just because someone did not refute someone's claims, doesn't make it true.

Well said Sabhayata.. 👏 Agree with all your points..

Originally posted by: Cotswolds

You got a point there.. 😛

I think we are on same side on this one.. I too believe in Karna military prowess and kmg clearly shows how Karna had an upper hand even after his chariot stuck and even after he was finding it difficult to summon divyastra. He still managed to make arjuna unconscious.. 👏

I just thought that citation by krishna does not validate anything.. The battle amply proves his great skills, bravery, strict adherence to warrior code of conduct.⭐️

Well yeah, I just want to say that just Krishna's words do not validate anything be it his sin count or praising, incidence have to be applied rather than solely and brainlessly depending on a dialogue.
Edited by TheWatcher - 9 years ago

Edited by smrth - 9 years ago

"Parimita Patikat Daarbhavat Anantapatikam Daasyam Iva Tava Astu Iti" I am not finding the verse above ..Is it in C.E?

Originally posted by: varaali

Here's my waste of time too...

I don't know if this point has come before...but if you take into consideration Krishna's dialogues in the whole epic, weighing them against the circumstances they were spoken, there are several several instances where it is clear that Krishna doesn't mean what he is actually saying - or what his words are implying.