Discussion of the week (DOTW) #2 Marriage

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Hello all🤗
welcome to our discussion thread for this week...

this week's topic is Marriage

getting married is awonderful and lovely experienced that not only binds to souls together but also two families.

Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spousesthat establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws.[1]The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but it is principally an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged. In some cultures, marriage is recommended or considered to be compulsory before pursuing any sexual activity. When defined broadly, marriage is considered a cultural universal.

Individuals may marry for several reasons, including legal, social, libidinal, emotional, financial, spiritual, and religious purposes. Who they marry may be influenced by socially determined rules of incest, prescriptive marriage rules, parental choice and individual desire. In developing areas of the world arranged marriage, child marriage, polygamy, and sometimesforced marriage, may be practiced as a cultural tradition. Conversely, such practices may be outlawed and penalized in many parts of the world out of concerns for human rights and because of international law.[2] In developed parts of the world, there has been a general trend towards ensuring equal rights within marriage for women and legally recognizing the marriages ofinterracial, interfaith, and same-gender couples. Oftentimes, these trends have been motivated by a desire to establish equality and uphold human rights.

Marriage can be recognized by a state, an organization, a religious authority, a tribal group, a local community or peers. It is often viewed as a contract. Civil marriage is a marriage without religious content carried out by a government institution in accordance with marriage laws of the jurisdiction, and recognised as creating the rights and obligations intrinsic to matrimony. Marriages can be performed in a secular civil ceremony or in a religious setting via a wedding ceremony. The act of marriage usually creates normative or legal obligations between the individuals involved, and any offspring they may produce. In terms of legal recognition, most sovereign states and other jurisdictions limit marriage to opposite-sex couples and a diminishing number of these permit polygyny, child marriages, and forced marriages. Over the twentieth century, a growing number of countries and other jurisdictions have lifted bans on and have established legal recognition for interracial marriage, interfaith marriage and most lately, same-sex marriage.[3] Some cultures allow the dissolution of marriage through divorce orannulment. In some areas, child marriages and polygamy may occur in spite of national laws against the practice.

Since the late twentieth century, major social changes in Western countries have led to changes in the demographics of marriage, with the age of first marriage increasing, fewer people marrying, and many couples choosing to cohabit rather than marry. For example, the number of marriages in Europe decreased by 30% from 1975 to 2005.[4]

Historically, in most cultures, married women had very few rights of their own, being considered, along with the family's children, the property of the husband; as such, they could not own or inherit property, or represent themselves legally (see for example coverture). In Europe, the United States, and a few other places, from the late 19th century throughout the 21st century, marriage has undergone gradual legal changes, aimed at improving the rights of women. These changes included giving wives a legal identity of their own, abolishing the right of husbands to physically discipline their wives, giving wives property rights, liberalizing divorce laws, and requiring a wife's consent when sexual relations occur. These changes have occurred primarily in Western countries. In the 21st century, there continue to be controversies regarding the legal status of married women, legal acceptance or leniency towards violence within marriage (especially sexual violence), traditional marriage customs such as dowry and bride price, forced marriage, marriageable age, and criminalization of consensual behaviors such as premarital and extramarital sex.

Types of marriage

Monogamy

Main article: Monogamy

Monogamy is a form of marriage in which an individual has only one spouse during their lifetime or at any one time (serial monogamy).

Anthropologist Jack Goody's comparative study of marriage around the world utilizing the Ethnographic Atlas found a strong correlation between intensive plough agriculture, dowry and monogamy. This pattern was found in a broad swath of Eurasian societies from Japan to Ireland. The majority of Sub-Saharan African societies that practice extensive hoe agriculture, in contrast, show a correlation between "bride price," and polygamy.[15] A further study drawing on the Ethnographic Atlas showed a statistical correlation between increasing size of the society, the belief in "high gods" to support human morality, and monogamy.[16]

In the many countries which do not permit polygamy, a person who marries in one of those countries a person while still being lawfully married to another commits the crime of bigamy. In all cases, the second marriage is considered legally null and void. Besides the second and subsequent marriages being void, the bigamist is also liable to other penalties, which also vary between jurisdictions.

Serial monogamy

Many societies that are considered monogamous in fact allow easy divorce. In many western countries divorce rates approach 50%. Those who remarry do so on average 3 times. Divorce and remarriage can thus result in "serial monogamy", i.e. multiple marriages but only one legal spouse at a time. This can be interpreted as a form of plural mating, as are those societies dominated by female-headed families in the Caribbean, Mauritius and Brazil where there is frequent rotation of unmarried partners. In all, these account for 16 to 24% of the "monogamous" category.[17]

Serial monogamy creates a new kind of relative, the "ex-". The "ex-wife", for example, remains an active part of her "ex-husband's" life, as they may be tied together by transfers of resources (alimony, child support), or shared child custody. Bob Simpson notes that in the British case, serial monogamy creates an "extended family" - a number of households tied together in this way, including mobile children (possible ex's may include an ex-wife, an ex-brother-in-law, etc., but not an "ex-child"). These "unclear families" do not fit the mould of the monogamous nuclear family. As a series of connected households, they come to resemble the polygynous model of separate households maintained by mothers with children, tied by a male to whom they are married or divorced.[18]

Polygamy

Main article: polygamy

Polygamy is a marriage which includes more than two partners.[19] When a man is married to more than one wife at a time, the relationship is called polygyny, and there is no marriage bond between the wives; and when a woman is married to more than one husband at a time, it is called polyandry, and there is no marriage bond between the husbands. If a marriage includes multiple husbands and wives, it can be called group marriage.[19]

A molecular genetic study of global human genetic diversity argued that sexual polygyny was typical of human reproductive patterns until the shift to sedentary farming communities approximately 10,000 to 5,000 years ago in Europe and Asia, and more recently in Africa and the Americas.[20] As noted above, AnthropologistJack Goody's comparative study of marriage around the world utilizing the Ethnographic Atlas found that the majority of Sub-Saharan African societies that practice extensive hoe agriculture show a correlation between "bride price," and polygamy.[15] A survey of other cross-cultural samples has confirmed that the absence of the plough was the only predictor of polygamy, although other factors such as high male mortality in warfare (in non-state societies) and pathogen stress (in state societies) had some impact.[21]

Marriages are classified according to the number of legal spouses an individual has. The suffix "-gamy" refers specifically to the number of spouses, as in bi-gamy(two spouses, generally illegal in many states), and poly-gamy (many spouses).

Societies show variable acceptance of polygamy as a cultural ideal and practice. According to the Ethnographic Atlas, of 1,231 societies noted, 186 were monogamous; 453 had occasional polygyny; 588 had more frequent polygyny; and 4 had polyandry.[22] However, as Miriam Zeitzen writes, social tolerance for polygamy is different from the practice of polygamy, since it requires wealth to establish multiple households for multiple wives. The actual practice of polygamy in a tolerant society may actually be low, with the majority of aspirant polygamists practicing monogamous marriage. Tracking the occurrence of polygamy is further complicated in jurisdictions where it has been banned, but continues to be practiced (de facto polygamy).[23]

Zeitzen also notes that Western perceptions of African society and marriage patterns are biased by "contradictory concerns of nostalgia for traditional African culture versus critique of polygamy as oppressive to women or detrimental to development."[23] Polygamy has been condemned as being a form of human rights abuse, with concerns arising over domestic abuse, forced marriage, and neglect. The vast majority of the world's countries, including virtually all of the world's developed nations, do not permit polygamy, and there have been growing calls for the abolition of polygamy in many developing countries.

Polygyny

Although a society may be classified as polgynous, not all marriages in it necessarily are; monogamous marriages may in fact predominate. It is to this flexibility that Anthropologist Robin Fox attributes its success as a social support system: "This has often meant - given the imbalance in the sex ratios, the higher male infant mortality, the shorter life span of males, the loss of males in wartime, etc. - that many women were left without husbands and had to be killed at birth, remain single, become prostitutes, or be siphoned off into celibate religious orders. Polygynous systems have the decided advantage that they can promise, as did the Mormons, a home and family for every woman."[24]

Nonetheless, polygyny is a gender issue which offers men asymmetrical benefits. In some cases, there is a large age discrepancy (as much as a generation) between a man and his youngest wife, compounding the power differential between the two. Tensions not only exist between genders, but also within genders; senior and junior men compete for wives, and senior and junior wives in the same household may experience radically different life conditions, and internal hierarchy. Several studies have suggested that the wive's relationship with other women, including co-wives and husband's female kin, are more critical relationships than that with her husband for her productive, reproductive and personal achievement.[25] In some societies, the co-wives are relatives, usually sisters, a practice calledsororal polygyny; the pre-existing relationship between the co-wives is thought to decrease potential tensions within the marriage.[26]

Fox argues that "the major difference between polygyny and monogamy could be stated thus: while plural mating occurs in both systems, under polygyny several unions may be recognized as being legal marriages while under monogamy only one of the unions is so recognized. Often, however, it is difficult to draw a hard and fast line between the two."[27]

As polygamy in Africa is increasingly subject to legal limitations, a variant form of de facto (as opposed to legal or de jure) polygyny is being practised in urban centres. Although it does not involve multiple (now illegal) formal marriages, the domestic and personal arrangements follow old polygynous patterns. The de facto form of polygyny is found in other parts of the world as well (including some Mormon sects and Muslim families in the United States).[28] In some societies such as theLovedu of South Africa, or the Nuer of the Sudan, aristocratic women may become female 'husbands.' In the Lovedu case, this female husband may take a number of polygamous wives. This is not a lesbian relationship, but a means of legitimately expanding a royal lineage by attaching these wives' children to it. The relationships are considered polygynous, not polyandrous, because the female husband is in fact assuming masculine gendered political roles.[26]

Religious groups have differing views on the legitimacy of polygyny. It is allowed in Islam and Confucianism, though in most areas today it is uncommon.[29][30]Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism have allowed polygyny in the past, but it is prohibited today.[29]

Polyandry

Main articles: polyandry, Polyandry in Tibet and Polyandry in India

polyandry is notably more rare than polygyny, though less rare than the figure commonly cited in the Ethnographic Atlas (1980) which listed only those polyandrous societies found in the Himalayan Mountains. More recent studies have found 53 societies outside of the 28 found in the Himalayans which practice polyandry.[31] It is most common in egalitarian societies marked by high male mortality or male absenteeism. It is associated with partible paternity, the cultural belief that a child can have more than one father.[32]

The explanation for polyandry in the Himalayan Mountains is related to the scarcity of land; the marriage of all brothers in a family to the same wife (fraternal polyandry) allows family land to remain intact and undivided. If every brother married separately and had children, family land would be split into unsustainable small plots. In Europe, this was prevented through the social practice of impartible inheritance (the dis-inheriting of most siblings, many who went on to become celibate monks and priests).[33]

Plural marriage

group marriage (also known as multi-lateral marriage) is a form of polyamory in which more than two persons form a family unit, with all the members of the group marriage being considered to be married to all the other members of the group marriage, and all members of the marriage share parental responsibility for any children arising from the marriage.[34] No country legally condones group marriages, neither under the law nor as a common law marriage, but historically it has been practiced by some cultures of Polynesia, Asia, Papua New Guinea and the Americas - as well as in some intentional communities and alternative subcultures such as the Oneida Perfectionists in up-state New York. Of the 250 societies reported by the American anthropologist George P. Murdock in 1949, only the Caingang of Brazil had any group marriages at all.[35]

Child marriage

Main article: child marriage

A child marriage is a marriage where one or both spouses are under the age of 18.[36][37] It is related to child betrothal and teenage pregnancy. Child marriage was common throughout history but is today condemned by international human rights organizations.[38][39][40] Child marriages are often arranged between the families of the future bride and groom, sometimes as soon as the girl is born.[38] Child marriages can also occur in the context of marriage by abduction.[38]

While child marriage is observed for both boys and girls, the overwhelming majority of child spouses are girls.[41] In many cases, only one marriage-partner is a child, usually the female, due to the importance placed upon female virginity.[38] Causes of child marriage include poverty, bride price, dowry, laws that allow child marriages, religious and social pressures, regional customs, fear of remaining unmarried, and perceived inability of women to work for money.

Today, child marriages are widespread in parts of the world; being most common in South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, with more than half of the girls in some countries in those regions being married before 18.[38] The incidence of child marriage has been falling in most parts of the world. In developed countries child marriage is outlawed or restricted.

Girls who marry before 18 are at greater risk of becoming victims of domestic violence, than those who marry later, especially when they are married to a much older man.[40]

Same-sex and third gender marriages

Main article: same-sex marriage

As noted above, several kinds of same gendered, non-sexual marriages exist in some lineage based societies; this section relates to same gendered sexual unions. However, some cultures include third gender (two-spirited or transgendered) individuals, such as the berdache of the Zuni of New Mexico; is the marriage between a berdache and a man a "same sex marriage"? We'wha, one of the most revered Zuni elders (an Ihamana, spiritual leader) served as an emissary of the Zuni to Washington, where he met President Grover Cleveland. We'wha had a husband who was generally recognized as such.[42]

While it is a relatively new practice to grant same-sex couples the same form of legal marital recognition as commonly granted to mixed-sex couples, there is some history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[43][44] Ancient Greek same-sex relationships were like modern companionate marriages, unlike their different-sex marriages in which the spouses had few emotional ties, and the husband had freedom to engage in outside sexual liaisons. The Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) issued in 342 CE imposed severe penalties or death on same-sex relationships[45] but the exact intent of the law and its relation to social practice is unclear, as only a few examples of same-sex marriage in that culture exist.[46] Same-sex unions were celebrated in some regions of China, such as Fujian.[47]

Temporary marriages

Several cultures have practiced temporary and conditional marriages. Examples include the Celtic practice of handfasting and fixed-term marriages in the Muslim community. Pre-Islamic Arabs practiced a form of temporary marriage that carries on today in the practice of Nikah Mut'ah, a fixed-term marriage contract. The prophet Muhammad sanctioned a temporary marriage - sigheh in Iran and muta'a in Iraq - which can provide a legitimizing cover for sex workers.[48] The same forms of temporary marriage have been used in Egypt, Lebanon and Iran to make the donation of a human ova legal for in vitro fertilization; a woman cannot, however, use this kind of marriage to obtain a sperm donation.[49] Muslim controversies related to Nikah Mut'ah have resulted in the practice being confined mostly to Shi'itecommunities. The matrilineal Mosuo of China practice what they call "walking marriage".

Common-law marriage

See also: Cohabitation

In some jurisdictions Cohabitation may constitute a common-law marriage, and in some countries the laws recognize cohabitation in lieu of institutional marriage for taxation and social security benefits. This is the case, for example, in Australia.[50] Common-law marriage is an option pursued by many as a form of resistance to traditional institutionalized marriage; however, in this context, states reserve the right to define the relationship as marital, based only on a history of co-habitation.[51]

Conversely, institutionalized marriages may not involve cohabitation. In some cases couples living together do not wish to be recognized as married. This may occur because pension or alimony rights are adversely affected; because of taxation considerations; because of immigration issues, or for many other reasons. Such marriages have also been increasingly common in Beijing. Guo Jianmei, director of the center for women's studies at Beijing University, told a Newsdaycorrespondent, "Walking marriages reflect sweeping changes in Chinese society." A "walking marriage" refers to a type of temporary marriage formed by the Mosuoof China, in which male partners live elsewhere and make nightly visits.[52] A similar arrangement in Saudi Arabia, called misyar marriage, also involves the husband and wife living separately but meeting regularly.[53]


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now my question is "should one get married to the person they love or should they marry the one that loves them?"
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Wonderful topic Jen and apt for the current scenario in our show 👍🏼

Will b back with my take on marriage tomorrow 😳
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Wow. I am surprised by most of informations in this thread . 
Thanks Jen. 

Marriage is a very complicated subject . 

I can speak only about my society. Marriage is the only accepted way for a man and a woman to live with each other. Both have to agree to it. Tow witnesses have to attend rituals. 


A muslim man can have 4 wives in the same time , no more. It is allowed , but a man is ordered to divide his time equally between his wives. 

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Very collective information on marriage Jen 👏👏

I believes marriage can b of many types apart from Arranged and Love marriages ... we hv inter-caste marriages which in our society is still a issue when it comes to family acceptance  , then we hv something called gandharva vivah (temple marriages) , something we saw in our show too which is considered legal when it comes to our traditions and beliefs but illlegal when it comes to our law 🤔  , then we hv simple court marriages where no rituals r followed but yet the marriage is considered the legal one as per law because of the signatures involved ...  We also hv Re-marriages or punarvivah in our society which has recently found acceptance among woman too ...

At the end of the day Marriage is about union of two souls .. two people coming together and sharing their loves together .. it can b in any form as long as the two people involved r mentally prepared to go for it
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Nice thread Jen👏

It's a difficult question, to answer.

Irregardless of if you marry the person you love or the one who loves you I think it all depends on the individual and what their characteristics are.     If both persons are committed to make the marriage work then I don't think it matters because in the long run love takes time to grow and develop.

Here people usually date and then decide about marriage so they know each other pretty well and in most cases they are in love. 

I you love the person then you will do what you can to make him/her happy, and if you marry the person that loves you he/she will do whatever they can to make you happy.



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Nice Topic😃 But As always I am speechless when it comes to Love/marriage😆 😳 But I'll try... Be Back with My response⭐️
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Marriage is the process by which two people who love each other make their relationship public, official, and permanent. It is the joining of two people in a bond that lasts until death.
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bold:  despite the vows till death do us part, in sickness and in health etc., the divorce rate is on high.

live in relationship is an in thing and couple get along well but as soon as they are married, they find they are not compatible.   only thing changed in their relationship is the word "married" instead of "live-in partners".   what went wrong?

love marriages - in same cast or intercast, where they get to know each other etc and get married. Parents don't object to love or intercast marriages as they want their children's happiness.
then why after few months or couple of years later, these newly weds divorce??   I have seen these love marriages falling apart bearing in mind parents have not interfered at all in their lives

has the true meaning of marriage gone out of window??




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Originally posted by: Ms.S.K.

Marriage is the process by which two people who love each other make their relationship public, official, and permanent. It is the joining of two people in a bond that lasts until death.

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bold:  despite the vows till death do us part, in sickness and in health etc., the divorce rate is on high.

live in relationship is an in thing and couple get along well but as soon as they are married, they find they are not compatible.   only thing changed in their relationship is the word "married" instead of "live-in partners".   what went wrong?

love marriages - in same cast or intercast, where they get to know each other etc and get married. Parents don't object to love or intercast marriages as they want their children's happiness.
then why after few months or couple of years later, these newly weds divorce??   I have seen these love marriages falling apart bearing in mind parents have not interfered at all in their lives

has the true meaning of marriage gone out of window??





I think that those who love more hate more too. 

Passionate ppl are over reacted to circumstances ..so with daily chalenges which each couple pass through ..love has to face real world. All those beautiful dreams went out of the window.😆
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great post Jen, so much info, thank you..
 
within Malaysian society there is a Malay culture, a Chinese culture, and Indian Culture, with most Muslims Malays, most Hindus Indian, and most Buddhists Chinese.
 
There are two ways to marry in Malaysia, registering the union with the government and joining in marriage before a religious authority.
 
Indians and Chinese undertake divination(prediction) rites in search of compatibility and auspicious dates, while Malays have elaborate gift exchanges.
 
roughly, brief info into Malaysian wedding ceremonies ;
 
Malay wedding feasts are often held at home and feature a large banquet.
the Malay wedding involves ;
- the merisik (visit and observe)
- the pertunangan (engagement)
- the akad nikah (marriage contract)
- the persandingan (wedding ceremony)
  ETC..
 
Most Indian ceremonies include intricate rituals.
the Indian wedding ;
- the couple getting married must not see each other for a month.
- Thali (sacred pendant) ceremony is performed a few days before the wedding.
   A month or two before the wedding, the groom's parents would go to the family's goldsmith to
   have the Thali prepared.  The melting of gold to make the Thali is an important ritual.
- Nalangus, are rituals for mothers, aunts to perform as a symbol of how much the bride/groom is
   loved.
  ETC..
- the Indian wedding starts with a priest and rituals, live traditional music, and the ceremony taking
   place, and last with feasts, congratulary ceremonies, night parties.
 
Many Chinese weddings feature a multiple-course meal in a restaurant or public hall.
the Chinese wedding ;
- a small ceremony takes place where the bride and groom offer tea to their parents and elders, and
  pray to the gods and ancestors for good luck and prosperity.
  ETC..
- the wedding celebrations takes place at exclusive restaurants
- the dinner would consists of 8-9 different dishes according to Chinese customs.
 
(all above info from net)
 
Jen, even here in Malaysia the divorce rate is high..
Jen marriage is definitely not a bed of roses, its a responsibility from day one, it stands on the pillars of love, care, respect, trust, togetherness.. there is no place for selfishness and ego clashes..
Marriage is compromise and adjust 70%-30% both ways..
 
 
 
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Very interesting topic Jen😃 You gave a lot of information.
 
Well, I think marriage is not for everyone, because the most important ingredient of marriage in my perception is the realisation that you can no longer think as "One Person," but two. You have to be always mindful that your actions affect 2 persons now not only yourself anymore.
I think if a person can't think like that whether it is due to lack of maturity, selfishness or whatever psychological reason, then marriage is not for that person.
 
I think if we are always mindful that our actions affect 2 persons and not 1 person it will make a person strive to love more, be less selfish more selfless, considerate, understanding, compassionate etc. all the good things that love should be.