Ruq begins her fake pregnancy - as Jodha cries her heart out-DT Pg13 - Page 10

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Mansi,

Thanks for the great review.👏

So the brakes have been applied on the JJ love story. 😭

I want to a long post today on this track. I hope you don't mind? 😕

Disclaimer: Mansi, thus far I have addressed this post to you. From the next line, the post is general. So please do not think I mean you if you see "you" below. That is a generic "you". Please do not MU. 😊

Hahahaha😆...I want to clarify that my comments are meant for the naatkiye roopantar characters only..

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Ruqaiyya

First and foremost, let me start with this lady(begum sounds more appropriate) . Enough has been said by you and others on her despicable plan to separate JJ and hurt Jodha without caring for JAlal. So I won't dwell on that.

Here is a woman. It doesn't matter who she is, a queen or a commoner. She had an MC just a year back and it had been a terrible experience for her. On top of that, she had been told that she could never become a mother again. As a woman, nothing can be more devastating than these words because every woman wants to be a mother one day. I am not questioning her buoyant attitude later on because nobody expects her to keep crying over her fate. But can a woman who has passed thru this experience fake her pregnancy for whatever reason?... this will come back and haunt her...KARMA...Being a mother is one of the most beautiful gifts of God given to women...she is making a mockery of it.

It is not about Jalal here, as everyone is saying. It is not even about Jodha. It is only about Ruq. How can a woman play around with the sentiments associated with "expecting a baby" when she has undergone that loss and knows she can never cherish the moment when she will feel her baby inside her and when she will hold him/her in her arms for the first time? even if she believes that she can't be a mother and goes ahead with the deceit...does it change anything?...or make it any more palatable?

Perhaps this incident is real. May be that's why Ruq was never given any baby to care for till Khurram.

But if it's not real, then it's a pathetic twist by the CVs. I don't care if Jalal is hurt later. I am hurt now to see that a woman is capable of doing such a depraved act. She is destroying the very essence of being a woman. Are the CVs all a bunch of guys who think that this twist will make everyone cry and rake in the TRPs? Is there no woman in the creative team who knows this is such a cheap act? EXACTLY...I was wondering if there is a woman on their CV team...just when I think that they can't show anything sicker than what they just showed...boom...they shock us...as if the fake pregnancy track wasn't revolting enough...they chose to show consummation...a big milestone in any marriage, in middle of that disgusting drama...adds a cheap flavor to this beautiful love story...I really hope that they prove us wrong.

I started watching a mythological hindi serial recently ...I know that I shouldn't name it on the forum...it is about one of the biggest wars ever fought in our history..between brothers...I didn't watch it for the longest time thinking that it must be full of negativity, dirty politics and villains with a 100% success rate... ...i was pleasantly surprised to see that it is a well made show and despite a 'negative' storyline, it is not even half as negative as JA..and thankfully, they don't glorify villains.Male characters are given their due screen space... Now I understand what people meant when they said...it is a maiyya show...too late for me.

I am again saying that I am not going into the details of how hurt JJ will be by her act because that is and will be discussed threadbare by everyone. Suffice it to say that she is selfish/insensitive and doesn't love/care for anyone except her own petty self.

I just hope she doesn't pretend to have an MC and blame it on Shehnaz and Jodha. Nothing can be worse than that. I keep thinking this but every time the CVs surprise me by stooping even lower. I had thought nothing could be worse than the BEn track. But Ruq is worse than Ben who at least had no relation to Jalal and had come purely to kill him. And Ruq has stooped even lower than even Ben could. I agree

I would have preferred the chloroform ark (named such by Cleo) to this fake preg (FP). At least, there would have been no deep emotions and sentiments involved there. And I am sure Akbar is strong enough to come out of its effects without any harm. If there had been any administrative emergency then HB or Atga could have handled it for a day. As such nothing is ever an emergency in Agra, except attending to personal activities. Even when Jalal had been going around the country in search of Jodha, Agra had gone on; it had not come to a standstill. And Jo would not have been so hurt because her expectations would not have risen or been raised by a sleeping Jalal. Jalal himself would have excused Ruq for feeling insecure and thus putting him to sleep.

PS: Please do not get overexcited to read above lines because I am not supporting that plot. It was wrong and no wife should do that to a husband. But that act pales in comparison to this present ploy which is too cheap to even think about. She tested it on a baandi...how ruthless was that...treating a human being like a laboratory animal?...and didn't wait to see if the baandi will ever wake up...with all the conspiracies going on in Agra, how could she trust the person who gave her that ark is not poisonous and will not kill the baandi?...gave it to her bachpan ka dost just in time...what could be more important than showing her rival her place?

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Jalal

What can one say about his reactions? All day and even since the day before, he has been building anticipation and expectations of making the WA a special day for Jodha. He has told her he doesn't want to fight with her on their WA. He has hugged her and he has told her he wants to make the day memorable for her and share all his happiness only with her. He has told her that the time has come to discuss babies and that he will spend the night also with her for this purpose.

A woman cannot naturally show so much excitement on the outside. But Jodha has given him the go-ahead thru her silence and downcast eyes. She has even agreed to leave Shehnaz out of the jashn for the sake of Jalal. She has spent the whole day with him,sharing his myriad thoughts and feelings like a kindred soul.

The jashn has started and she is sitting there all dressed up like a doll. This is perhaps the first personal function Jo is happy to celebrate with Jalal as his wife and lover. What does Jalal do? After preparing her to expect something special at night, he simply leaves her and goes away, without a word to her.

This is the equivalent of the dhakka that Jalal still remembers. In fact, it is worse. Then Jo had done what she had inadvertently. Here, he has himself told her to get ready and then disappears. That too, to another wife. He starts showering his love on her. How will any woman take this rejection?

If Jodha had done this, how angry Jalal would have been? He was so angry with her just to see her holding Sujamal's shoulders! He burst out like a tsunami and threw her out in the middle of the night. We accepted his behavior on the night of the dhakka and on that night with Sujamal. But some people have trouble accepting Jodha crying for her lost love and rejection by her husband for another woman? That too, on their WA?

I am disgusted that people are calling her selfish. Selfish? What is selfish about expecting your husband to be with you on your (first) anniversary which is almost like a true wedding for you after the ups and downs of the past year? If she expects her husband to be by her side and confirm his love for her by accepting her in front of his family and riyaya (after having thrown her out on false charges), is it wrong?

Remember when Jalal held her hand and led her into the palace, only his family and close associates had seen his acceptance of her. The public didn't. This is the first time the public is seeing the SS accepting his wife back with her dignity restored. How utterly devastating it must have been for Jodha to see Jalal leave her alone without saying a word! What is she to make of this? That even on a day her husband had promised to share with her happily, he could not keep his word?

We know he has been called away by the hakim because his other wife is pregnant. Jodha doesn't know. So she is entirely justified in lamenting his going away to Ruq, leaving her high and dry in public. What will her position be in public? The people will laugh at her and say "this is Jodha Bai's aukad that her husband can leave her alone anytime and go away". If Jalal felt so hurt by the dhakka, which happened in private, isn't Jodha justified in being hurt on being rejected in public?

And note the vital difference. Jalal's ego had been hurt because he felt that his wife had brazenly refused to satisfy his physical needs,after calling him over. Here, it's Jodha's love that has been hurt (just as Jalal's love was hurt seeing her with Sujamal).

It's not about the jashn or the WA. It's about love. Why is this WA jashn so important for JJ? Because, like I said earlier, Jalal is reconfirming his trust and love for Jodha after her return home. This is why HB also presented them with those crowns. She wanted to make the statement that Jodha is also Malika-e-Hindustan like Ruq. She wanted to make this fact public so that there should be no trace of embarrassment left for Jodha.

Ruq understood this clearly; which is why she was so desperate to break it up. Some people had wondered what was so special about this day. JJ could have celebrated their anniversary on another day. This day was special because it was not just any other anniversary or celebration. It was a reconfirmation of the marriage vows for JJ. It was their second marriage. It had to be celebrated on that day only to show how much they value their marriage and their relationship. It is not some cocktail party that can be held any day. I am sorry I do not have the words to express this properly but I hope you have understood what I am trying to say.

I am not saying Jalal should not have gone to Ruq. Even Jodha would have understood and urged him to go if she knew the truth. What I am saying is that Ruq was not in any emergency. Jalal could have spared a moment and told Jodha, "I have to go and meet the hakim who has something important to tell me about Ruq's health. I will try to return quickly. In the meanwhile, please enjoy yourself. In case, I am delayed, I will have you informed of my situation." Only this much was needed to convey to Jodha that Jalal had been called away on some emergency. She would have understood and may be even accompanied him. After all, didn't she understand his going away to take care of Ruq when she was in the middle of her first tender moments with him?

Jalal had berated Jodha for not trusting him and not telling him about Sujamal. Doesn't the same apply to him? Should he not inform her if he going to leave her and go and meet someone else?

Agreed he may return to tell Jodha about Ruq's news. But what in the meantime? Doesn't Jodha have any right to express her disappointment and hurt? She goes after him to see what the matter is. And what does she see? She sees him kissing Ruq on Jo's WA. If she had kissed Sujamal and Jalal had seen that, everyone would have supported the reactions of Jalal then.

Let us not impose our knowledge of events on Jodha. She only knows what she is seeing. It's not like he has spent the day with her and so he has the right to spend the night with another wife. Or that Ruq also has a right to his time. Let us be sensitive to Jodha and understand that if we had been in her place, we would have felt exactly like she did. A few well-spoken words on Jalal's part would have assuaged her and prevented an MU.

His sense of justice is flawed when it comes to Ruk( look how sensible he is in Shehnaz's case so far)...thus giving Ruk all the encouragement she needs to continue with her dirty games...but I'll wait till monday before commenting any further...hoping that he must have done something right for Jo to melt like that.

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Jodha

Jodha's hurts are just healing.She is just recovering from the false charges levelled against her and from the indignity of being thrown out of her house by her husband. She has started trusting him and loving him openly and has shown her consent to take their relationship to the next level.

She has finally taken courage in her hands and started believing that in spite of his harem of beautiful wives, Jalal loves her too and will give her also his time and attention. But as soon as she has taken this first step, she is left at the altar, so to say, and sees him going off to another wife and kissing her liberally. Is it any wonder her trust in her husband and his proclamations of love is shaken? How can she trust him the next time? How can she be sure that just as soon as he takes her near, he won't remember and rush off to another wife?

I also understand polygamy. But even in a polygamy, there are some codes of conduct followed. If a husband is with a wife, he will not leave her and go off to another wife, without her consent.

her tearful face😔...I fast forward Ruks scenes but couldn't avoid watching that silent sobbing...broke my heart.

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The SR

Mansi, I saw your spoiler news and was disgusted. I cannot believe the CVs have reduced the epic love story of JA to a cheap Mills & Boon romance level. It was bad enough the first tender moments between them were spoilt by Ruq's shadow. It is UNBELIEVABLY DISGUSTING that they should be shown to come together like this in a weak moment for one of them.

After all, if they could wait for 1 year to sleep together, surely a few more days shouldn't matter? The jashn had to be held on their WA. But it's not necessary to have the SR on this day. If Jalal wanted to placate her, he could have just held her close and kissed her tears away.

Even for a normal married couple, the SR is special and celebrated grandly. This is a legendary royal couple famous for their love even after 5 centuries. And is this how their union is reduced to - a momentary uncontrolled passion? This is not love or romance or passion also. It is just physical sex without any emotions or sentiments involved in it. It's not like they want to come together and love each other completely, body, heart and soul. It's only about their inability to control their hormones and their physical lust for each other.

If it had to be reduced to this level, it might as well have happened that first night in Agra when Jalal was drunk and angry. Why wait for one year if there is to be no beauty and love involved in it?

I don't care if this is how the other shows portray SR. They are about modern people who have no qualms about sleeping around anyway (I mean reel characters, not any real people out there). This couple was from 5 centuries back. They would either have slept together on their wedding night itself, or when they really wanted to.

Why should we worry about the people outside who supposedly create trouble for the PH? The PH itself is enough to reduce the love story of a historic couple to a ridiculous travesty. I can say no more.

I won't say much here except that the timing is so wrong...a lot of forum friends are very excited about the SR...dont want to spoil their fun.😊

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This has been my venting. I don't mind if many of you didn't read it because of its length. I don;t even mind those who were kind enough to read till here but disagree with what I said. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I had to say my heartfelt feelings and I did that here. Thanks to all those who read patiently till here. 😊

Originally posted by: myviewprem

You are comparing Jodha-Sujamal to Jalal-Ruqaiah relationship scenario that itself is incorrect. No matter what Jalla thought Sujamal was a elder brother meeting an younger sister simple. And it was not that impt a matter of suajmal had left agra fort without telling jo he was sujamal all this mess would never occur.

Here jalal recieves a news that his wife is pregnant and at that moment man or women cannot think/remember anything. Do you know how great feeling it is to know you are going to be father? That time no other person comes to your mind not even your love that is reality and truth for any man or woman. It takes time to sink in that emotion first thought will be to go to that wife and see her ask share the joy.

Why are people expecting some unique recation from jalal? He is doing what nay father would do in that situation? And to be honest Jalal is not husband only to jodha he is husband to another 200+ wives. How the other 200+ wives must be feeling that jalal only speaks to ruqaiah, jodha and salima not to them??? Love is different matter, the kind of love viewers are expecting is 21st century love but this is a man having many wives. At that rate he should not have children with others also. Akbar's only child with Jodha living or dead was Salim. All others be it fatima with Ruqaiah, hassan and hussain with cocubbine aram baksh, or murad, dainyal, sakunisa, khanum and aram were from other women majorly cocubbines. So should we assume akbar never loved jodha? because he had children from other women not even legal wedded wives. Love in 16th century is completely different from love in 21st century and viewers must understand that. Akbar loved not one wife but quite a few who were his favourites be it Jodha for simplicity, Ruqaiah for childhood friendship, Salima for intelligence, Daulat Shad whom he married after getting divorce and had two kids for her beauty etc

Jodha may feel bad that he left the anniversary celebration in between buttt that time situation demanded it. And that is lopside of a polygamy marriage having to share one husband with hundreds other women. Atleast in serial they just show Ruqaiah competing with Jodha for his love(ok she calls it audha but its same thing) and attention. Imagine real jodha with 300 more competing for his time and attention especially his favourite 5-10 wives.

We viewers are thing from 21st century scenario not 16th century one

The idea of how jodha trust him never arises here because this is one man 300 wives jodha has to compromise she has to swallow her insecurities and lonliness when he is with 200+ other wives. Here in serial atleast a few like Ruqaiah, Salima etc. All wives/cocubbines have same issue that time

If Akbar had loved only Jodha he would not have demanded equal rights to all 300 wives from mullah's. The fact he did that means he treated all equally irrespective of whether they were royal or maids or commoners. Is that itself not greatness of a man to treat all wife equal and wanting them to get equal status? How many man can do that in 21st century treat all wives equal. OK in 21st century its treating wife, mother, sister equally almost none. Akbar managed to that so he deserves appreciation.

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Kaana..

I have posted a reply to you comment on page 86 of thread named 'jj' of member - Elasingh. Have a look buddy. I differ from your views. :)

Originally posted by: ann2012

I do respect your opinion but their are some points in your reply that I can't help but interject at.

The two cases are very similar. In both the situations the spouse who was left out of the loop, quickly reached to a conclusion. The conclusion was that their better-half doesn't trust or love them enough to share every little thing with them. Jalal assumed Sujamal to be Jo's lover in the last track and planning something heinous with him when the actual situation was far more innocent. This time Jo sees Jalal & Ruqaiya together and this leads her to believe that all the heart-warming moments spent during the day with Jalal were not actually his prem or his love towards her isn't as deep as he claims. But we know the reason Jalal went to Ruqaiya. The real reason is far more benign than being made out by Jodha. The situations are similar, not the people involved 😉

History shouldn't be discussed so freely without proper references but will definitely try to sort out some anomalies you made before moving forward:

1. Fatima is mentioned as daughter of Bibi Pungrai in an 'anonymous' book. on pg-47, which is "claimed" to be Jahangirnama. It is not taken as historical by any authority except some, one of them is Abraham Eraly.

2. First of all Salim was not the only progeny of MUZ. I don't want to discuss it here, lets stick to discussing the serial only 😊

3. The figure given by Abul Fazl in Akbarnama and the numbers floating on the internet regarding the number of wives Akbar had, are largely bloated. There is hardly more than one account i.e. Akbarnama, which gives the number of women in Akbar's harem. Do you have more than one credible account claiming this number to be true?

4. You are mixing Love with a person's sense of justice. Just because Akbar legalized all his marriages, doesn't mean he loved all his wives. The man had a keen sense of justice, as shown in the show. Does it mean he loves every person who doesn't have legal rights or has been wronged by someone? 😕 Love and respect can go hand-in-hand but not always. It is not necessary that we grow to love the person we respect but for Love to blossom, respect is very essential. Akbar also treated his enemies and treacherous relatives rather fairly, does it mean he loved them?

BTW Shah Jahan had children from his other wives too despite Mumtaz being alive. He had offspring out of his wedlock with Mumtaz before & during their marital life and also after her death. Did it mean he loved Mumtaz any less? No. Then why do you think Akbar's love for MUZ might not have been on the same level?

You said so yourself that it was the duty of the Shahenshah to spend some time with each of his begums. Then why are you confusing this 'kartavya' (duty) with love?

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Mansi...excellent take, as usual...😳

Btw, do u think its possible that Jalal will return to Jo n tell her that he knows that Ruqs can never conceive, but he is playing along with her coz he doesn't want anyone/anything to spoil his happiest day hitherto?...if he hadn't played along, she would have thrown a bigger tantrum...

Originally posted by: KDR81

Dear All, ( I mean Mansi, Radhika, Maddy, Abhay...and all others here😃)

Just a 2-pointer for now...

No.1 .Wasn't Jalaal Supposed to be TOOO much in grief becoz of Jo's absence from Agra to have spent passionate nights with any other Begum??🤢 Didn't Moti report that as soon as Jo came back??😕
So ...how come this Preggy news becomes believable for Jalaal??😲

Jalal never thinks so much, Ruq knows that. Early in the serial,another begum was really expecting a baby and Jalal was ecstatic. Then Ruq did the arithmetic for him and told him he had been away for too long to be the father! Who will do the job this time for him? 😉

No.2. YES, too much disappointing to see the depiction in promo...How exactly "Darling" self-respecting Jo allow this to happen , even after hearing Ruqayya's news??😕

(Remember Ruqayya's rejection of Ja after hearing Jo's FP news and asking Ja to be with his expecting Begum?? Jo should do the same 🥱as a virtual Tight Slap on Ja's face ...!!

Come on yaar...when you are in REAL grief for loss of someone loved , these physical thoughts can never come to ur mind...😕 CVs...PLEASE BE REALISTIC!!)

Apparently the CVs want to show that whatever happens, JJ can't stay away from each other any longer.

@myviewprem: One correction here...Jalaal DID NOT know about the" NEWS" when he unceremoniously left Jo alone in the Jashn...Please re-watch the epi...he heard the news only after meeting the HakimSahiba...😊

Hence, it was surely indecent to leave his wife(irrespective of who it was) like that w/o an explanation or quick excuse...in middle of their own exclusive WA Jashn... !!
(Fatherhood news was not given yet , so Ja could surely have excused himself properly🥱)

A simple excuse line would have been enough here...but alas that did NOT happen..!!

Even if he had heard the news (which he did not) he should remember his etiquette.

@ Radhika:Please calm down Dear😊 ...let's hope we do not get too much disappointment from the much awaited SR...🥱

I am very calm, already. 😆 I both steam up and cool off fast. And the venting helped. 😊

We won't be too disappointed because no matter how pathetic the story and the direction, PS and RT manage to electrify the screen with their presence and hold us enthralled.

Regards,
Kamal

Originally posted by: skanda12

Folks, I am in Ahmedabad this weekend for my cousin's engagement. Don't have my lappy, have only mobile. I have read all your posts and nice lively discussion going on! Will be back by Monday evening 4 pm in Chennai. Till then cannot post, but reading all posts and enjoying!

Originally posted by: neeshaa16