Karn was made for Draupadi - Page 2

Originally posted by: enlightenme

in many versions of mahabharat there is a chapter where Draupadi admits of her secret love for Karna. called 'Jambul Akhyan'. Karna was offered Draupadi as wife by Kunti or Krishna, to side with the pandavas along with the offer to become the king during the kurukshetra war, but he refused because he was indebted to his evil friend. (Just type Draupadi's secret and google.)

Many authors have explored this part of the story (I mean the Karna - Draupadi angle) like in the 'palace of illusions' by chitra banerjee devakuni. Where entire mahabharata is told from the sight of Draupadi. Where plight of Draupadi is described that how she lived with each brother a year. when she would come to live with the next brother memories of the previous brother would assail her thoughts.

There is also a reason why Draupadi was married to 5 bothers in those days. its because Kunti clearly read the desire in Yudisthir's eyes for Draupadi hence she got her married to the 5 brothers to avoid quarrel over a woman because the strength of Pandavas was in their unity, they were incomplete without each other.

There are many versions of Mahabharata with different interpretion. there are many undercurrents in the story, of mahabharata if you ask why kunti and madri's were not pandu's son. why did they have of bear children from the devtas then the reason is very obvious that maharaj pandu was impodent.

I really don't know whether Draupadi loved Karna or not. But, the fact is if Draupadi would have been Karna's wife then there would have been no vastra haran and no kurukshetra and no mahabharat. And to add I would say these two characters faced the hightest amount of humiliation and its really sad they both took active part in each other's humiliation.

I'm not talking about different versions or interpretations. I'm talking about Veda Vyasa's Mahabharata, which is the original and truest form of the epic. Vyasa's Mahabharata is as Valmiki's Ramayana. Different versions followed later on with authors' own interpretation, but the accuracy of the original one cannot be disputed.

There is no reference to Draupadi's "love" for Karna in Vyasa's Mahabharata. That is all just the fantasy of different authors which they interpreted into their story, but it's pure fiction.

As for Kunti and Madri's sons, Pandu was not impotent. 😆 He could not have children with his wives because he was cursed by a sage that if he had physical relations with them, he would die. That is the only reason Kunti and Madri had to have sons from Gods. Read the epic, this is written very clearly.

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

I'm not talking about different versions or interpretations. I'm talking about Veda Vyasa's Mahabharata, which is the original and truest form of the epic. Vyasa's Mahabharata is as Valmiki's Ramayana. Different versions followed later on with authors' own interpretation, but the accuracy of the original one cannot be disputed.

There is no reference to Draupadi's "love" for Karna in Vyasa's Mahabharata. That is all just the fantasy of different authors which they interpreted into their story, but it's pure fiction.

As for Kunti and Madri's sons, Pandu was not impotent. 😆 He could not have children with his wives because he was cursed by a sage that if he had physical relations with them, he would die. That is the only reason Kunti and Madri had to have sons from Gods. Read the epic, this is written very clearly.

Actually I read that Jambul story here only in this forum. Not sure if it is true or not and don't even care because there are so many stories and so many interpretations that there is a lot of confusion regarding Mahabharat

I have an original mahabharat a very old one which I read a long long time back but have forgotton majority of it. I have kept it somewhere cant remember. It's my father's Mahabharat.

After reading this story and the above article and somewhere else also I read the same thing so I thought of sharing it with you guys.

If you don't believe in it doesn't matter if you do go ahead who's stopping you 😆

But if we look at Karn's character and qualities he did possess all these 5 qualities 😉 no I am not his fan do not even like him even if he had all those qualities. 😉😆

Originally posted by: _BacknForth_

I have heard the same account, and I totally agree 😃

But firing this topic could become a very big debate with no outcome, you know!

People will divide into Karna-Draupadi and Arjuna-Draupadi groups... and there are so many versions of it, that there'll be a fight on things like who really loved Draupadi, whether there was something b/w Karna/Draupadi, did he really hate her etc. etc. and I don't wanna go into that! It could turn ugly 😆

P.S. Krishna had ulterior motives no. Unhe toh itihaas banana tha as it was pre-written. How could he have let anything falter! 😉

🤣 the bigger the debate the better it is though I am not enjoying the show but all these debate going on in this forums I am loving it I am gettign to know so much about our heroes and villains and reading a lot too atleast as much as I can 😃

I don't think there was something between Karn and Draupadi, had they been attractive to each other then hey would not have done what they did to each other atleast not Karn that I am sure of because he was nobel daan veer and a very well mannered guy. But then you never know if sangati is buri then it effects your charatcer as well as personality.

And what a glorious Itihaas krishn made 👏👏👏 Love him so much ❤️ even if I don't agree with some of the things he did

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

I have to disagree though.. Karan was neither righteous nor was he fair.. the first point itself rules him out.

If he had been fair, he would have seen why Dronacharya made the comment during the skills display about how a third party person should not come uninvited. If he was righteous, he would never have wanted to side with Duryodhana..

Being fair and righteous also means stopping a known error from happening. Karan was never brave enough to stop Duryodhana from his bad deeds.

Karn's only mistake was to accept Duryodhan's friendship. From there he kept on falling and falling his bravery his daanveerta his honesty humanity but then it was in his fate to die a coward's death he was cursed by a lot of people cheated by a lot of people such as Indra himself.

But even after all this and before his friendship he was a daanveer even if we want to we can never take this quality from him 😆

I cannot consider him brave, not after what he does with Abhimanyu and with Draupadi during the vasthraharan.

That I agree no way it is bravery to attack a 16 yr old child that also from the back and when he was outnumbered by 1000s of shoulders who were ready to kill him but then that is why krishn was not on their side they were all playing adharm dear.

But he was a maharathi dhanurdhar 😉😆 nevertheless

Handsome and goodlooking... Well, that is in the eyes of the beholder. To Draupadi, Arjun was the most handsome that day.. Hence there is nothing wrong that she chose him and not Karan.

Well true for example Salman Khan is very Handsome but still I dont like him so for me he is not good but cannot deny that he is handsome

May be Draupadi did not like him but found him attractive may be she was not attracted to him but still thought gosh he is handsome if only...😉🤣

It has been a fashion in this age to make an anti hero into a tragic character thus justifying his deeds and actions or make him a mahaan when he is not.. I think Karan's character had all the required backstory to make him a person to raise from the ashes.. But in truth, Karan did not have all qualities that you specified. He was sadly a person who would let his jealousy, his bitterness, his anger and his past rule over what is right and correct.😊

He was not a hero but he has been shown by Rish Ved Vyas what a good human being he was till he met Duryodhan I repeat here buri sangati ka prabhav bura hota hai magar his fate was sealed much before he met Duryodhan like Sage Parshuram cursed him a cow herder cursed him for mistakenly killing his cow it is the most sinnest sin to kill a cow Draupadi cursed him etc etc etc

No matter what we think of him I also do not like him but his qualities would always remain with him like ti alsways has he is worshipped in south India there is a festival in his name celebrated there I think in Indo nesia as well he is highly thought of 😆😆😆

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Rasyafan

I am confused as to whether Krishna asked draupadi to refuse to karan or draupadi did that on her on.I dont clearly remember what is there in the original.But in Jaya:retelling of Mahabharata by devdutt patnaik draupadi refuses karan from her own free will and not becuase of krishna.Infact krishna points this out as a reason for her suffering that she refused to marry karan and choose to marry arjun who didnt only share her wih his brother's but also didnt protect her.So i am confused as to whether krsihna actually asked her to refuse to karan or not

As for Karan and draupadi,draupadi as made for the pandavs and for destruction of kuruvansh that is why she was born from the yagya fire not for karan but to be pandavs common wife and destroy kuruvansh so neither she nor karan ere made for each other.Although karan would have been an ideal husband for her for all the reasosn krishna stated

I don't know dear I found this article and shared with you guys Till I find my Mahabharat I won't be able to answer that or I go to a panditji 😆 and ask him I seriously am contemplating asking a learned person .

Like the jambul story I read it in this forum and also that krishna asked Draupadi not to accept karn and also there is a story I remember where krishna asked draupadi that I have an agenda so you can not choose karn you have to choose arjun yes I remember it slightly but am so confused.

yes with drupad she aslo cam ewout of fire dronacharya had to be destroyed by Drupad and kaurav by Draupadi true. they both were adults.

agreed 👍🏼 Had he remained a pious human being then yes he would have been an ideal person 😉😆

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

@ Janaki.. I have no words to add to your reply⭐️ I concur completely.. It is laughable that those who make Ravan a hero also question Lord Ram on his decision to send Sita to the forest. It was something that would have taken so much strength from this husband who loved his wife is forgotten.

Draupadi always considered Krishna as her brother and apart from the fact that she was supposed to cause Kuru Vansh's destruction, it was specifically to marry Arjuna that her father wanted her born. He wanted to take revenge on Dhrona for the humiliation he undergoes.. Draupadi's father, the king of Panchal, Draupada and Dhrona are childhood friends.

In a spur of the moment, Draupada promises Dhrona, half his kingdom during his time at the gurukul.. After many years, Dhrona is a poor brahmin who is unable even to get an ounce of milk for his son Ashwathama.
He goes to Parashurama hearing that the great sage is giving away all his wealth. Unfortunately by the time he reaches there, Parashurama has given away everything. He asks whether Drona needs the power of his Tapasya or his Astra skills and Drona gets the Astra skills.. But again, his poverty is still an issue.
His wife (sister of Kulguru Kripacharya) reminds him of Draupada's promise and Dhrona goes there with her and his son.. However Draupada, who is now King, insults Dhronacharya.. Dhrona decides to teach Draupada a lesson.

Seeing that Arjun is the greatest student he has, he asks for Draupada as his Guru Dakshina.. Duryodhan first volunteers and fails but Arjun brings Draupada tied to a chariot. Drona gets his revenge but he magnanimously lets Draupada have his kingdom back.

Losing his pride, Draupada comes home with revenge at heart. He does yagna and Draupadi comes out as he wishes for a daughter who would wed Arjuna, the only person capable of facing Drona..

So again, I agree that Draupadi was never inclined to wed Karna. She was always supposed to be the wife of Pandavas.. By destiny and by choice😊

Choice if any was over ridden by destiny as they say honi ko koi nahi taal sakta

@BacknForth: You say, 'But firing this topic could become a very big debate with no outcome, you know!'

Originally posted by: maha2us

@BacknForth: You say, 'But firing this topic could become a very big debate with no outcome, you know!'

In fact this is the beauty of this great epic. If we post any topic for debate, there will be opinions in two sides. And definitely with no outcome. One can find a number iof topics this way. The characters in Mahabharata are all gray areas and could not be seen in black and white. What anyone did would always appear right despite the fact that it could cause tragical consequence. No doubt elders say one point about this epic, 'Don't talk about Mahabharata at home. It will create quarrels in the home.' 😆 right and it has sort of created a heated debate here in this forum if not querel which is good

Even here I can only tell my opinions on any character. And neither I could say I am a know-all person. When I feel something about any character, I see what I can learn from his/her actions and behavior.

Definitely Lord Krishna tells Karna he has all the good qualities of the five Pandavas together and also that he could be a good ruler and also he could take Draupadi also when the Lord was in his peace mission in Hastinapura. The hard truth is the Lord tells everyone of us that each of us deserve to love, value, understand and accept oneself. But how many persons accept only what the Lord says is true?

Karna if only he accepted what the Lord said to him, he would have got a much better life and a much better name in the World. If only he accepted what the Lord said, that would have been good for Duryodhana also. In fact great is the love God has for Karna and everyone that, the Lord tried to persuade Karna to join Pandavas more than once. Karna squandered the opportunity which came on his way. Why? The reasons are best known only to Karna. As some of you said, because of this one reason, Karna doesn't deserve to be respected. Especially because he knew Duryodhana has no chance against Arjuna supported by the Lord.

One point is only the Lord Krishna is the know-all person in the epic. If only Bhishma, Drona, Karna, Shalya, Duryodhana or any other person asked his advice on what to do, he would definitely have answered them? How many people asked his advice? Only Arjuna wanted to know what he is to do and accepted the Lord is always right. If only everyone tried to find what he is to do from the Lord, the war would definitely have not happened and there would have been a lot more happiness.

But Karn was given a free advise even before Arjun asked him but he was so much in debt of Duryodhan that beyond that he could not see anything nor heard. Not even Krishn's advise.
But then that was his fate not even Krishn could intervene with it or stop things from happening 😃

@Rasyafan: In this forum, it will create only heated debate and no quarrel because there will only be arguments for and against any point and nobody is interested in imposing the arguments on another person. But in homes and families, people try imposing arguments on each other calling each other names and so definitely there will be quarrels.

Originally posted by: maha2us

If only everyone tried to find what he is to do from the Lord, the war would definitely have not happened and there would have been a lot more happiness.