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Posted: 11 years ago
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thanks for sharing..!!😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Well none of us know what originally vyas wrote because none of us received the first edition of his book 😆

So we have to go by what is written in books these days and in maximum version of Mahabharata and as per them the disrobing did happen so we have to believe that since none of us can ever know what vyas really wrote

Infact i have read one version where draupadi was so disgusted by everyone keeping their mouth shut when duryodhan asked dusashan to disrobe her that she said that dusashan doesn't have to do it she will take off her clothes herself since no one seems to care about her honour. And she was about to strip her self this is how disgusted she was and seeing this bold act everyone in the assembly was so stunned that dhridhrashtra got up himself and asked drauapdi to stop. ANd then bheeshma and vidur in order to save hounour of their house so that this story doesn't come out that their daughter in law was willingly ready to strip herself came up with this story that dusashan was about to strip her but then krishna saved her honour.

Like i said there are many different stories about this but maximum writers ,books scholars believe that vasatraharan did take palce.In the Mahabharat translated into english that we have today vastaraharan did take place


Draupadi was going to strip by herself???😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am unsure as to what Shrimad Bhagavatham says regarding the vastra haran (or even if it says anything), but Veda Vyasa's Mahabharata definitely mentions the vastra haran. See my next post for the excerpt.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sabha Parva:

SECTION LXVII

"Hearing these words, a loud uproar rose from among those present in that assembly. And they all applauded Vikarna and censured the son of Suvala. And at that sound, the son of Radha, deprived of his senses by anger, waving his well-shaped arms, said these words,--'O Vikarna, many opposite and inconsistent conditions are noticeable in this assembly. Like fire produced from a faggot, consuming the faggot itself, this thy ire will consume thee. These personages here, though urged by Krishna, have not uttered a word. They all regard the daughter of Drupada to have been properly won. Thou alone, O son of Dhritarashtra in consequence of thy immature years, art bursting with wrath, for though but a boy thou speakest in the assembly as if thou wert old. O younger brother of Duryodhana, thou dost not know what morality truly is, for thou sayest like a fool that this Krishna who hath been (justly) won as not won at all. O son of Dhritarashtra, how dost thou regard Krishna as not won, when the eldest of the Pandavas before this assembly staked all his possessions? O bull of the Bharata race, Draupadi is included in all the possessions (of Yudhishthira). Therefore, why regardest thou Krishna who hath been justly won as not won? Draupadi had been mentioned (by Suvala) and approved of as a stake by the Pandavas. For what reason then dost thou yet regard her as not won? Or, if thou thinkest that bringing her hither attired in a single piece of cloth, is an action of impropriety, listen to certain excellent reasons I will give. O son of the Kuru race, the gods have ordained only one husband for one woman. This Draupadi, however, hath many husbands. Therefore, certain it is that she is an unchaste woman. To bring her, therefore, into this assembly attired though she be in one piece of cloth--even to uncover her is not at all an act that may cause surprise. Whatever wealth the Pandavas had--she herself and these Pandavas themselves,--have all been justly won by the son of Suvala. O Dussasana, this Vikarna speaking words of (apparent) wisdom is but a boy. Take off the robes of the Pandavas and also the attire of Draupadi. Hearing these words the Pandavas, O Bharata, took off their upper garments and throwing them down sat in that assembly. Then Dussasana, O king, forcibly seizing Draupadi's attire before the eyes of all, began to drag it off her person."

Vaisampayana continued,--"When the attire of Draupadi was being thus dragged, the thought of Hari, (And she herself cried aloud, saying), 'O Govinda, O thou who dwellest in Dwaraka, O Krishna, O thou who art fond of cow-herdesses (of Vrindavana). O Kesava, seest thou not that the Kauravas are humiliating me. O Lord, O husband of Lakshmi, O Lord of Vraja (Vrindavana), O destroyer of all afflictions, O Janarddana, rescue me who am sinking in the Kaurava Ocean. O Krishna, O Krishna, O thou great yogin, thou soul of the universe, Thou creator of all things, O Govinda, save me who am distressed,--who am losing my senses in the midst of the Kurus.' Thus did that afflicted lady resplendent still in her beauty, O king covering her face cried aloud, thinking of Krishna, of Hari, of the lord of the three worlds. Hearing the words of Draupadi, Krishna was deeply moved. And leaving his seat, the benevolent one from compassion, arrived there on foot. And while Yajnaseni was crying aloud to Krishna, also called Vishnu and Hari and Nara for protection, the illustrious Dharma, remaining unseen, covered her with excellent clothes of many hues. And, O monarch as the attire of Draupadi was being dragged, after one was taken off, another of the same kind, appeared covering her. And thus did it continue till many clothes were seen. And, O exalted on, owing to the protection of Dharma, hundreds upon hundreds of robes of many hues came off Draupadi's person. And there arose then a deep uproar of many many voices. And the kings present in that assembly beholding that most extraordinary of all sights in the world, began to applaud Draupadi and censure the son of Dhritarashtra. And Bhima then, squeezing his hands, with lips quivering in rage, swore in the midst of all those kings a terrible oath in a loud voice.

Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Fabulous post! Thanks for sharing!


^^ - the writer of the article did mention that in sabha parba only once the disrobing act is mentioned in the the Gita Press Edition of the book. But the later shlokas didn't really support that such a horrendous act was being committed.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: doyelpakhi

Fabulous post! Thanks for sharing!


^^ - the writer of the article did mention that in sabha parba only once the disrobing act is mentioned in the the Gita Press Edition of the book. But the later shlokas didn't really support that such a horrendous act was being committed.


It is possible that later shlokas simply left out that incident, but what would be most helpful is if we can refer to a book and not an online translation of the epic, since it's possible for things to be left out or wrongly interpreted.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

I am unsure as to what Shrimad Bhagavatham says regarding the vastra haran (or even if it says anything), but Veda Vyasa's Mahabharata definitely mentions the vastra haran. See my next post for the excerpt.


SB doesn't mention anything after the Rajasuya. It just says in two slokas that the Kauravas and Pandavas had a dispute which became a war, and everyone died. It specifically doesn't mention the dice game or the Vastraharan.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: doyelpakhi

Fabulous post! Thanks for sharing!


^^ - the writer of the article did mention that in sabha parba only once the disrobing act is mentioned in the the Gita Press Edition of the book. But the later shlokas didn't really support that such a horrendous act was being committed.



Dear Texts by Geeta press though are mostly available and sold they are not up to the mark and they add their own stuff a lot and leave out a lot. Some pandit ji told me which is why I had bought Shiv Puran from Kashi printers when I was told they are the best but they are not available everywhere.

But how does one know which one is authentic. This is the problem many people are translating these books but they all say different things. 😕 what is the authenticity of these books????
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Always counter check other related events to the one in question. If Krishna had helped Draupadi according to other versions, then Vastraharan did happen. There is one prior story about Krishna cutting his finger, which started bleeding. Everyone around started looking for ways to stop this. Only Draupadi tore her saree, without wasting a moment & tied it on Krishna's finger. So krishna was indebted to Draupadi, which he paid back when she needed it the most. Krishna was incarnation of Vishnuji. It's said that God never keeps his account pending & as per law of Karma all the accounts have to be balanced, cleared.
The question is why did Draupadi had to undergo such a moment? If we look for answers in a pure logical way, things may seem more confusing. If one looks at Draupadi's initial appearnce, will know, Drupad wanted a son. He performed a yagya for it. He got a son but a daughter too appeared from the yagya, she is also known as Yagyaseni. She was not born appeared as a young girl from Agni. She was born for the purpose of reducing burdens of sinners from Earth. The court room event was the main one to accelerate the aim of her birth.
To those who are looking for purely logical answer, may not find it convincing. But there is much more then what our eyes can see & brain can think of. That's why other Spiritual Scripture have their importance in explaing why & how things happen. Krishna remained detached because he could see what others couldn't. he accepted Gandhari's curse to happily, because he knew Yadavas were heading to their end. For him that curse was the final nod deciding Yadava's future.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12

Always counter check other related events to the one in question. If Krishna had helped Draupadi according to other versions, then Vastraharan did happen. There is one prior story about Krishna cutting his finger, which started bleeding. Everyone around started looking for ways to stop this. Only Draupadi tore her saree, without wasting a moment & tied it on Krishna's finger. So krishna was indebted to Draupadi, which he paid back when she needed it the most. Krishna was incarnation of Vishnuji. It's said that God never keeps his account pending & as per law of Karma all the accounts have to be balanced, cleared.

The question is why did Draupadi had to undergo such a moment? If we look for answers in a pure logical way, things may seem more confusing. If one looks at Draupadi's initial appearnce, will know, Drupad wanted a son. He performed a yagya for it. He got a son but a daughter too appeared from the yagya, she is also known as Yagyaseni. She was not born appeared as a young girl from Agni. She was born for the purpose of reducing burdens of sinners from Earth. The court room event was the main one to accelerate the aim of her birth.
To those who are looking for purely logical answer, may not find it convincing. But there is much more then what our eyes can see & brain can think of. That's why other Spiritual Scripture have their importance in explaing why & how things happen. Krishna remained detached because he could see what others couldn't. he accepted Gandhari's curse to happily, because he knew Yadavas were heading to their end. For him that curse was the final nod deciding Yadava's future.

Um... can you simplify? I understood the gist, but not entirely...😳

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