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Posted: 12 years ago
@del-The reason why i don sympathize with Imran is that i always feel Gul goes the extra mile to justify a few characters..That includes Imran, Rashid and am sure Gaffur is gonna be added to the list very soon😆 Imran is a wimp who runs away from responsibility and tries his best to blame others for his mistakes..And yeah, he is insensitive enough to pursue his pehla pyaar just hours after his marriage with another girl broke..Rashid again is a wimp who finds it convenient to blame everything on the gudiya factory mystery while it doesn't change the fact that he was a cheater who was coward enough to abandon his family..Lets not forget he considers himself a murderer yet succumbs to blackmail to somehow cover up his crime..Gaffur again is a hypocrite of the first order and was equally involved in the murder of Zoya's mother and din think twice before abandoning his child..I don mind if Gul attempts to redeem them and shows them repenting their faults ala Asad..But instead of going this way, she twists the story to make it seem like they were just a victim of circumstances..That kinda annoys me cos at the moment, i have no sympathy for any of these characters..
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

@del-The reason why i don sympathize with Imran is that i always feel Gul goes the extra mile to justify a few characters..That includes Imran, Rashid and am sure Gaffur is gonna be added to the list very soon😆 Imran is a wimp who runs away from responsibility and tries his best to blame others for his mistakes..And yeah, he is insensitive enough to pursue his pehla pyaar just hours after his marriage with another girl broke..Rashid again is a wimp who finds it convenient to blame everything on the gudiya factory mystery while it doesn't change the fact that he was a cheater who was coward enough to abandon his family..Lets not forget he considers himself a murderer yet succumbs to blackmail to somehow cover up his crime..Gaffur again is a hypocrite of the first order and was equally involved in the murder of Zoya's mother and din think twice before abandoning his child..I don mind if Gul attempts to redeem them and shows them repenting their faults ala Asad..But instead of going this way, she twists the story to make it seem like they were just a victim of circumstances..That kinda annoys me cos at the moment, i have no sympathy for any of these characters..

The more they show Imran the lesser I am sympatizing him, he said to Tanveer meri mohabbat chod gayi thi isliye galti ho gayi, now preggy is Tanveer her more than (21/2 years). as thats when Najma left him. Or now they are trying to show he was mourning that long but didnt do anything for this..
And hrs after Nikhat broke engagment, he went to Najma saying she was past. Wonder how the hell should I start even sympathesize with him. He treated Nikhat so badly and she seemed to mourning for him whereas Najma was dancing and joking, now this is devine pure romance they want to throw at us..
As for Rashid, he is weak, agiin for believing all he did without investigating and dumping first family. But he stood by second one, here Imran didnt stand for any. Do you think he will go in front of Asad and ask for her hands, you bet he will try to instigate to marry him behind Asad's back saying then his bro will have to accept..
Gaffur is pure egoist, that brings ruthless behaviour in him, he just love his status in society. He is on fast redemption path though it seems😕
Now why I feel be ready for ZoYaan track, it doesnt take long to create one, just BG and few FBs to start it and we are expected to fell for it. Najma will marry Imran and Nikhat will be heart broken so Shireen the pea brain will say to Ayaa, Dilshaad's both children cant have their love, so marry Zoya
And Rogie may be they will make you happy too, Imran ke bachche ko baap still chahiye na, so Asad is ready to be bali ka bakra Poor Tanveer victim here, Najma left Imran and thats why he banged on her😕 to make her preggy. No wonder poor Karan doesnt want to talk about future track😕
The lack of depth in tracks are annoying me, first Tanveer's best friend analogy with Asad was streched like chewing gum and now this Imran will be, I fear..
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

@del-The reason why i don sympathize with Imran is that i always feel Gul goes the extra mile to justify a few characters..That includes Imran, Rashid and am sure Gaffur is gonna be added to the list very soon😆Imran is a wimp who runs away from responsibility and tries his best to blame others for his mistakes..And yeah, he is insensitive enough to pursue his pehla pyaar just hours after his marriage with another girl broke..Rashid again is a wimp who finds it convenient to blame everything on the gudiya factory mystery while it doesn't change the fact that he was a cheater who was coward enough to abandon his family..Lets not forget he considers himself a murderer yet succumbs to blackmail to somehow cover up his crime..Gaffur again is a hypocrite of the first order and was equally involved in the murder of Zoya's mother and din think twice before abandoning his child..I don mind if Gul attempts to redeem them and shows them repenting their faults ala Asad..But instead of going this way, she twists the story to make it seem like they were just a victim of circumstances..That kinda annoys me cos at the moment, i have no sympathy for any of these characters..



See I don't see it that way - in my opinion asad and Ayaan to an extent have done far worse because they are technically supposed to be the "good" guys.

Asad with Tanveergate has been redeemed slightly but Ayaan??? No. He made a deal with the devil and then chooses to be horrible and cruel to a woman whose only crime was to fall for him. He chooses to talk callously about his brother but yet expects him to bail him out of difficult situations. He cries about his parents marriage to asad without considering the fact that is Shireen, his mother, who destroyed asads family. He saved a guilty man by offering a bribe...why? Because he was too weak to stand up to his mother and make her accept that his father could in fact be wrong. The man is too selfish for words and yes he is weak. So to me he is no better or worse than imran. I mean hell the guy is responsible for almost murdering his sisters fianc!

I don't think imran is right but I can definitely see his pov. Doesn't mean I want him with najma or anything of that sort, just that I understand his backstory and I like grey characters.

Rashid and gaffur in my opinion are criminals - whether or not they were complicit to the murder is irrelevant because they both are guilty of suppressing evidence and rashid most definitely is an arsonist. Whether he was blackmailed or not doesn't give him he right to do something criminal.
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Posted: 12 years ago
@vineeta - I would never say zoyaan can't happen because the writers can do what they please with the characters they have created. But c'mon! The story as it stands right now has no bearing on zoyaan. There is a reason both otps have been developed. Zoya is completely and irrevocably in love with asad and Ayaan is deep in love with humeira. Pray tell under what pretext will these two get together.

1. Blackmail shall not lead to zoyaan - I know a lot of people are floating tanveer blackmailing asad, but asad is not that much of an idiot to believe a murderous wh**e. There is a reason we had all truths coming out between asya - this is to avoid the misunderstanding.

2. Razia cannot be blackmailed into zoya - even if razia is blackmailed how the heck is she supposed to convince zoya and Ayaan to marry each other? Short of both Ayaan and Zoe being ht across the head and being drugged this scenario too is not possible.

3. Also what is the narrative purpose of zoyaan? Asad will never marry tanveer so what does anyone gain? In fact razia loses a lot should this happen. Also how in the blue blazes will asad and Zoe interact?

When nothing in the story right now points to zoyaan why worry about it?

Frankly with VM playing Ayaan I am not opposed to it but that's also partly because I am pretty certain that it will never happen. It is too illogical a tale to tell and despite some lows Gul hasn't been completely barmy.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: delena90



See I don't see it that way - in my opinion asad and Ayaan to an extent have done far worse because they are technically supposed to be the "good" guys.

Asad with Tanveergate has been redeemed slightly but Ayaan??? No. He made a deal with the devil and then chooses to be horrible and cruel to a woman whose only crime was to fall for him. He chooses to talk callously about his brother but yet expects him to bail him out of difficult situations. He cries about his parents marriage to asad without considering the fact that is Shireen, his mother, who destroyed asads family. He saved a guilty man by offering a bribe...why? Because he was too weak to stand up to his mother and make her accept that his father could in fact be wrong. The man is too selfish for words and yes he is weak. So to me he is no better or worse than imran. I mean hell the guy is responsible for almost murdering his sisters fianc!

I don't think imran is right but I can definitely see his pov. Doesn't mean I want him with najma or anything of that sort, just that I understand his backstory and I like grey characters.

Rashid and gaffur in my opinion are criminals - whether or not they were complicit to the murder is irrelevant because they both are guilty of suppressing evidence and rashid most definitely is an arsonist. Whether he was blackmailed or not doesn't give him he right to do something criminal.

With regard to Asad and Imran, there is a reason why i sympathize with the former and just cant relate to the later..For one, Asad accepted all his faults..He accepted he was judgmental, he accepted he was a jerk to Zoya and he was made to pay for it as well..Just think of the Tanveer scenario-Its quite obvious that Imran believes himself to be guilty..Thats the only reason why he was succumbing to Tannu's monetary demands..So according to him, he is the father of the child..And what did he do? Instead of taking responsibility, he disowned the child and even enjoyed all the insults that were being hurled at a woman who is supposed to be carrying his child..Compare that to Asad..The guy din even remember what transpired between him and Tannu yet din question her or ask her for proof the moment she told him she was pregnant..He din think twice before deciding to marry her..Like Asad, Imran might have been trapped and its probably not his child..But the difference is with the way they reacted to the situation given that both of them believed they slept with Tanveer..Asad may have lot of flaws and was a jerk on a lot of occasions but you feel sorry for him but not Imran precisely for this reason..Same goes with Rashid..He believes he committed murder yet i have never seen him feel guilty about it..Instead, he keeps harping about how he was trapped by Razia 😆 And yeah, also the fact that Imran has been exceptionally insensitive when it comes to Nikhat..I can never see Asad being that insensitive to a girl after leading her on for so long or letting his mother torture the girl and her family & meekly stand in the background and observe the proceedings..
Now coming to Ayaan, i completely agree..He has been really insensitive to Humeira and Asad to a large extent..I still cant get over the fact that it din take him a minute to call Asad sautela and forget all that the guy has done for him..I still think it wouldn't take long for him to do something equally insensitive if Asad takes a stand against either of his parents😆 But yeah, i do believe he has matured a lot off late..Its not about Imran being irredeemable..Its about him accepting his mistakes and repenting them..Instead, the guy is so quick to shift the blame..He even says he din stand up for Nikhat cos his heart beats only for Najma 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _vineeta_

The more they show Imran the lesser I am sympatizing him, he said to Tanveer meri mohabbat chod gayi thi isliye galti ho gayi, now preggy is Tanveer her more than (21/2 years). as thats when Najma left him. Or now they are trying to show he was mourning that long but didnt do anything for this..
And hrs after Nikhat broke engagment, he went to Najma saying she was past. Wonder how the hell should I start even sympathesize with him. He treated Nikhat so badly and she seemed to mourning for him whereas Najma was dancing and joking, now this is devine pure romance they want to throw at us..
As for Rashid, he is weak, agiin for believing all he did without investigating and dumping first family. But he stood by second one, here Imran didnt stand for any. Do you think he will go in front of Asad and ask for her hands, you bet he will try to instigate to marry him behind Asad's back saying then his bro will have to accept..
Gaffur is pure egoist, that brings ruthless behaviour in him, he just love his status in society. He is on fast redemption path though it seems😕
Now why I feel be ready for ZoYaan track, it doesnt take long to create one, just BG and few FBs to start it and we are expected to fell for it. Najma will marry Imran and Nikhat will be heart broken so Shireen the pea brain will say to Ayaa, Dilshaad's both children cant have their love, so marry Zoya
And Rogie may be they will make you happy too, Imran ke bachche ko baap still chahiye na, so Asad is ready to be bali ka bakra Poor Tanveer victim here, Najma left Imran and thats why he banged on her😕 to make her preggy. No wonder poor Karan doesnt want to talk about future track😕
The lack of depth in tracks are annoying me, first Tanveer's best friend analogy with Asad was streched like chewing gum and now this Imran will be, I fear..

Yaar please don predict such things..It sounds horrible😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: rogerrocks


With regard to Asad and Imran, there is a reason why i sympathize with the former and just cant relate to the later..For one, Asad accepted all his faults..He accepted he was judgmental, he accepted he was a jerk to Zoya and he was made to pay for it as well..Just think of the Tanveer scenario-Its quite obvious that Imran believes himself to be guilty..Thats the only reason why he was succumbing to Tannu's monetary demands..So according to him, he is the father of the child..And what did he do? Instead of taking responsibility, he disowned the child and even enjoyed all the insults that were being hurled at a woman who is supposed to be carrying his child..Compare that to Asad..The guy din even remember what transpired between him and Tannu yet din question her or ask her for proof the moment she told him she was pregnant..He din think twice before deciding to marry her..Like Asad, Imran might have been trapped and its probably not his child..But the difference is with the way they reacted to the situation given that both of them believed they slept with Tanveer..Asad may have lot of flaws and was a jerk on a lot of occasions but you feel sorry for him but not Imran precisely for this reason..Same goes with Rashid..He believes he committed murder yet i have never seen him feel guilty about it..Instead, he keeps harping about how he was trapped by Razia😆And yeah, also the fact that Imran has been exceptionally insensitive when it comes to Nikhat..I can never see Asad being that insensitive to a girl after leading her on for so long or letting his mother torture the girl and her family & meekly stand in the background and observe the proceedings..
Now coming to Ayaan, i completely agree..He has been really insensitive to Humeira and Asad to a large extent..I still cant get over the fact that it din take him a minute to call Asad sautela and forget all that the guy has done for him..I still think it wouldn't take long for him to do something equally insensitive if Asad takes a stand against either of his parents😆But yeah, i do believe he has matured a lot off late..Its not about Imran being irredeemable..Its about him accepting his mistakes and repenting them..Instead, the guy is so quick to shift the blame..He even says he din stand up for Nikhat cos his heart beats only for Najma😆



But this could be imrans redemption track. Asad learnt to accept his faults because he was taught a very hard lesson. He definitely is the strongest man on the show but I gues I am just more inclined to see it from imrans pov. Doesn't make me right though, I am just saying. :)
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But this could be imrans redemption track. Asad learnt to accept his faults because he was taught a very hard lesson. He definitely is the strongest man on the show but I gues I am just more inclined to see it from imrans pov. Doesn't make me right though, I am just saying. :)

But wasn't Asad always like that? Right from the beginning? He was judgmental yes, a jerk yes but he did accept his fault when he believed he was in the wrong right? Its a different thing that he thought he was always right😆 But yeah, even in the first episode, if a woman had come up to him claiming to be pregnant with his child and if he believed himself to be guilty, am pretty sure he wouldn't have thought twice before deciding to marry her..Asad learnt it the hard way that one shouldn't be judgmental and quick to jump to conclusions about someone..But he was always a righteous and responsible guy..But thats never been the case with Imran..He sleeps with Tanveer and says she trapped him into doing it, he lets his mom insult Nikhat and says he couldn't stand up for her cause he never loved her, he spends a night in a hotel with Nikhat, comes back and screams at her for the same and doesn't shy away from throwing it on her face that her father was a philanderer when it has no connection to the issue at hand..So yeah, while i completely get where you are coming from, i for some reason can never sympathize with his guy😆..It would be a good start to first accept his mistakes..
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Rogie and Del, I would never compare Asad with Imran and never did. They are poles apart only guy coming close to him is Rashid not even Ayaan, he stood by people he loved. He made bad deals with other at times for them and tried to back out but never completely, he did went through engagement. Ayaan is weak not wimp like these two who look for scapegoats and run to very next shelter...
And LOL, I wasnt predicting just being sarcastic at their writers. How they create pairs in minutes and throw it at us with no history or story to back it.
Thye created pea brain characters like Shireen and Najma to fire these stories only..
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: rogerrocks


But wasn't Asad always like that? Right from the beginning? He was judgmental yes, a jerk yes but he did accept his fault when he believed he was in the wrong right? Its a different thing that he thought he was always right😆But yeah, even in the first episode, if a woman had come up to him claiming to be pregnant with his child and if he believed himself to be guilty, am pretty sure he wouldn't have thought twice before deciding to marry her..Asad learnt it the hard way that one shouldn't be judgmental and quick to jump to conclusions about someone..But he was always a righteous and responsible guy..But thats never been the case with Imran..He sleeps with Tanveer and says she trapped him into doing it, he lets his mom insult Nikhat and says he couldn't stand up for her cause he never loved her, he spends a night in a hotel with Nikhat, comes back and screams at her for the same and doesn't shy away from throwing it on her face that her father was a philanderer when it has no connection to the issue at hand..So yeah, while i completely get where you are coming from, i for some reason can never sympathize with his guy😆..It would be a good start to first accept his mistakes..



Point in his favour - imran didn't take advantage of Nikhat in the that hotel.

With regards to asad - he would have accepted responsibility if he believed he slept with te woman but asad then was way to righteous and arrogant to believe he could make a mistake. So not sure on that one.

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