Episode 140 Discussion: 6th Dec 2012 - Page 12

Originally posted by: HopelessLove

Oh. My. God! Today's episode was a reality check!

This was something I did not expect. It felt like someone punched me or rather knocked me senseless. That was my reaction to RK s outburst. He was in his character. He changes but on his terms and doesn't like being forced to do anything against his wishes. So his outburst was fine but my heart broke for Madhu.

Will update my post later. I'm still in shock.

UPDATE:

At last, I can update my post now! As I have already mentioned yesterday's episode was a good reality check for one and all. It was a big shock for me but, if I had observed the previous episodes I would have known this was coming.. The TRIO - Madhu-RK-Bittu ji are the only main characters in the show now. Rest of them are just fillers.

Oh before I start writing I would like to say.. AA, SD, Soundarya, Gurtiluv... completely agree with what you have said. You have better understanding for the characters than I have. But, this has been eating me since the KC track started.

I don't know what to expect from the story now. It is easy for us to sit here and criticize about the characters and give our varied views about what to do and what not... Only the person facing the music knows and depending upon their presence of mind, they react to the situations. I have never really liked Madhu's character. Even Geet was much more sensible and had lot of depth in her. And even DR. Muskan for that matter. This Madhu character is not written well.

Madhu is what around 21-22 yrs, and as per me she is totally pampered by all. Especially the Malliks. They have always showered her with love and security. She has always been loved, happy childhood for that matter. She has never really suffered as RK did and nor has she the understanding for the pain. She is feeling it for him, agreed. But, going through and just feeling others pain is totally different thing. You never actually have to go through the pain. You are suffering as they were tormented. That understanding is different than actually suffering.

And yes, maturity is not directly or even inversely related to age. One can be 50 yrs old and still be immature. So I won't be blaming Madhu for her immaturity. Maturity comes through experience which Madhu lacks. I was really annoyed with her for defying RK. The man has explained you very clearly WHY he doesn't believe in the whole farce. But, she was being stubborn and immature. Okay, you are traditional and you want to follow all the rituals. Good, carry on.. But, hello!! This is 21st century evolve your traditions. That eating from the trash was a little gross for me. Or maybe it is just me, as I don't believe in fasting. This is like we are bribing God to listen to us. I have faith in God, but I doubt God wants his children to suffer and then bribe him with all these dramas. Okay, I should stop this here.

So, basically I am supporting RK here. Great, I have said it aloud now. I like Madhu and Bittu-ji too. But, RK is the sensible one. We were distracted by Madhu and her dreams that we lost track of reality. This was one good reality check we got from RK. If we were not blinded by Madhu, we could have seen clearly how annoyed RK was getting with each passing minute. Well, Madhu now you know, way to RKs heart is not through his stomach but rather with your brains and logic.

If you go back and see, how annoyed RK was. He was not comfortable doing any of those rituals he did not believe in. He has no doubt about Madhu's sincerity towards the rituals but he places health ahead of this ritual.

First, we saw how much he was shocked that madhu is keeping the vrat even after he told her not to. Madhu, should have got her 1st clue there itself. To please RK, she has to listen to what he says and not defy him and then expect him to be sweet to her. She forced him to do something he did not believe. She is going rather fast on him. he is a scarred soul and such people take time to heal. You cannot expect miracles from them. He is changing but in his own pace. Madhu got a little carried off with her victory that she can handle him and make him do what she wants. That was another MISTAKE she made. Agreed, She is totally in love and she is not seeing anything. Even RK could see, when he explained her nicely she does not listen.

Second, Bittu-ji came and told him how she stole the sargi and how she was taking so much efforts to complete the vrat. Rk, was annoyed at her stubbornness here. he knew she would rather die but not drink water. So, he came running home so that she will complete her vrat. He just humored her and she took all these in her stride. She was happy, her faith in place. But, what for? She almost fainted and is not well now. God, never wanted their children to do this. He made us and provided with food so that we survive. He took care of Madhu. Madhu is important to him. Only one thing kept ringing in my head, his conversation with Malik. There we saw how he told Malik now Madhu was his responsibility and he will protect her from harms way. True, he is protecting her from physical harm but he is not realising that he is hurting her emotionally.

Third, in the morning when madhu got up to go to washroom. Their nok-jhok, it was endearing for us. Buy, did you see, how much more irritated her was and how restless he was. When he was ill, she took care of him. But she was not allowing him to take care of her. And then, Bittu-ji interrupted them. One look of his face was enough to chill someone. He was angry. Then following that breakfast drama. Madhu was being kiddish, he said it right. She is a small child inside.

Fourth, and the last straw... Madhu cooking meal for him when she was hardly fit. She should have rested and then took care of making meal for him. What was she thinking??? RK an ordinary guy?? No. Sorry dear, you need to come back to reality. he is no regular guy like that Makki. that one look from him and he just blasted her. That was a reality check for me too. I was blinded by Madhu's dreams and hence all sweet sweet RK was too good. But, then we got our RK back.

I am not saying he did the right thing by throwing away the food tray. But, come on, give him some slack here. The guy has been worried about her health and who could be who is trying to poison her. He can't have a relaxed time. The moment he lets his guard down something happens. he could have told Madhu lightly. But, you know what.. Madhu would not have listened. That throwing the tray did the work. That broke her from her trance and she saw the reality. Madhu will always be childish.

I an relate to RKs reations as I would have done the same. I have little RK in me. I can't tolerate hypocrisy and anything fake. It just ticks me off. But, I am not into hating people. Being an artist I understand to RKs temperament. We are extreme people. We do everything to the extreme and not easy people to live with. I hope, Madhu understands this.

I recently read this book and this one line has stayed with me "One should know when to walk away.." the moment you learn doing that you never will suffer so much.

That is what I want Madhu to understand. She doesn't know to walk away. She keeps barging in. and the result you saw... Only destruction...

i think only this REALITY CHECK was an eye-opener and highlight of the episode. Other scenes just fade away for me.

Sorry, if I have hurt anyone's sentiments. This is just my opinion. You can disagree with it.

Originally posted by: leelaa9

Oh, yeah. Had no problems with the pink.😳

Originally posted by: leelaa9

Shruti, a belated but very detailed and quite superb analysis.⭐️👏 Thanks for posting it however late.😳 It was an absolute pleasure to read.😃

Originally posted by: leelaa9

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true..but theirs is not a healthy relation so far..it just transformed into pyar from nafrat ...neither did Madhu ask him what exactly is the problem b/w him and Radha, nor is RK comfortable telling her...by what we have seen so far, he pointed out that Radha commited 3 mistakes..first kukuji , then Sikky then Dipali...first, he knows kukuji inside out , RK knows he's just using his mom for this luxury life , he's not worthy of being a husband or a father..the real story is not known na in detail..how Sikky was launched in bollywood n kukuji must be supporting him n putting RK down, God knows how much humiliation he faced bec. of father-son and his mother never did anything abt it? Radhaji knowing that RK loved Dipali, allowed sikky to marry Dips and she was never so unhappy with Dips was she? Dips was also one of the reason of RK's bitterness but Radhaji supported her, the way she never turned against senior and junior bhatia !

I'm not annoyed with Radha for changing sides..which mother will love her DIL after learning the truth that bahu's father tried to kill her son? she was confused about the role of Madhu in all this...still, i cannot bring myself to like her bec. of her equation with RK..there must be a solid reason behind his behavior tht he never even talks to her directly n address her as janam dene wali aurat ! either Madhu should find it out n then decide or in general, talk to RK about it and try to understand his POV , rather than doing ma bhajan .. that way she will be in the line of fire again..

Originally posted by: HopelessLove

Another point I wanted to add that.. madhu never really suffered through betrayal before.

Madhu's only suffering is that she feels for others pain and tries to live it. She said her father wanted her dead. She never even met her father. Whatever she knows about him is thru Paddy and Trishna.

For that matter, trishna has suffered a lot. She had traumatic childhood. Madhu was very lucky in that matter. She was always loved and protected.

she never had to live the pain. That is why I think she doesn't understand... 😕

Originally posted by: _charu_

very well summed up 👏 although we r doing these detailed RK analysis he will do a complete U turn, he will feel sorry abt it and take out Madhu on a date 😆

i remember Trishna used to call Madhu "glycerine" 😆 madhu ne brahmastra chala diya toh RK bhi gaya 😆

Originally posted by: HopelessLove

Oh. My. God! Today's episode was a reality check!

This was something I did not expect. It felt like someone punched me or rather knocked me senseless. That was my reaction to RK s outburst. He was in his character. He changes but on his terms and doesn't like being forced to do anything against his wishes. So his outburst was fine but my heart broke for Madhu.

Will update my post later. I'm still in shock.

UPDATE:

At last, I can update my post now! As I have already mentioned yesterday's episode was a good reality check for one and all. It was a big shock for me but, if I had observed the previous episodes I would have known this was coming.. The TRIO - Madhu-RK-Bittu ji are the only main characters in the show now. Rest of them are just fillers.

Oh before I start writing I would like to say.. AA, SD, Soundarya, Gurtiluv... completely agree with what you have said. You have better understanding for the characters than I have. But, this has been eating me since the KC track started.

I don't know what to expect from the story now. It is easy for us to sit here and criticize about the characters and give our varied views about what to do and what not... Only the person facing the music knows and depending upon their presence of mind, they react to the situations. I have never really liked Madhu's character. Even Geet was much more sensible and had lot of depth in her. And even DR. Muskan for that matter. This Madhu character is not written well.

Madhu is what around 21-22 yrs, and as per me she is totally pampered by all. Especially the Malliks. They have always showered her with love and security. She has always been loved, happy childhood for that matter. She has never really suffered as RK did and nor has she the understanding for the pain. She is feeling it for him, agreed. But, going through and just feeling others pain is totally different thing. You never actually have to go through the pain. You are suffering as they were tormented. That understanding is different than actually suffering.

Well, Shruti, I would not say Madhu hasnt known pain. Can we understand what pain a child goes through when she knows her father wanted to kill her before she was born. Nor do we think of the pain she must have gone through when she had been taunted by her friends of the people in the chawl for their unusual relationship with Maliks. Nor do we know how they must have struggled for acceptance when she was young. We dont know them because the CVs have not showed us. In RK's case everyone understands bcos the CVs chose to do so. To make the audience like him, they painted RK's character with a new brush. I agree that understanding is different from actual suffering, but only a person who has seen suffering can have a real understanding of another person's pain- otherwise its just sympathy.

I must have told this thing before to you, one thing that I like about Madhu is that she is open and approachable inspite of everything that must have happened to her. In her case, her mother was living in the house of a man with whom she was not married to. A man who was taking care not only of her, but also of her daughter's. Every one of us knows how society must have viewed her mother. Madhu could very well have reacted to Padmini in the same way RK reacts to Radha. She doesnt. Thats the difference between the two of them. Was their situation so different? Only difference between the two is that Malik is not another Kuku. But to a child to hear the taunts about her mother's illicit relationship would be too much. But Madhu loves her father. Perhaps for that we should appreciate Padmini for making her child understand.

Why doesnt Madhu also hate God for giving her a father who wanted to kill her? Why does RK hate God and not his father? Why is he angry with his mother and not his father? It was his father who took the cowardly way out. He left a weak woman to take care of a 12-year old. Everyone expects Madhu to understand RK and talk to RK, but why is nobody expecting RK to talk to his mother about Kuku? Granted Radha is a big dumbo, but she does love her son. She made a big mistake in marrying Kuku. If RK is so intelligent, why doesnt he try to talk to his mother? He is no longer a 12-year old kid, but a 29 year old intelligent man. Radhu could see the truth about Dipali in last episode, which goes to show that she is capable of some understanding atleast when things are shown to her. Why cant RK do the same re. Kuku? RK's constant taunting is further making her think that her son is being unreasonable about Kuku. Thats why Kuku is able to easily manipulate her to his thinking. Does RK even understand how Kuku works? He is only making things easy for Kuku...

And yes, maturity is not directly or even inversely related to age. One can be 50 yrs old and still be immature. So I won't be blaming Madhu for her immaturity. Maturity comes through experience which Madhu lacks. I was really annoyed with her for defying RK. The man has explained you very clearly WHY he doesn't believe in the whole farce. But, she was being stubborn and immature. Okay, you are traditional and you want to follow all the rituals. Good, carry on.. But, hello!! This is 21st century evolve your traditions. That eating from the trash was a little gross for me. Or maybe it is just me, as I don't believe in fasting. This is like we are bribing God to listen to us. I have faith in God, but I doubt God wants his children to suffer and then bribe him with all these dramas. Okay, I should stop this here.

I wouldnt comment on this one bcos the whole KC ritual (both in serials and real life- in my personal opinion) is over the top. I would just say this- Madhu is Padmini's daughter and is in love with her husband. Just like Madhu is RK's junoon, RK is Madhu's junoon. I dont knwo anything about being in love, but from what I have heard other's say I would say love makes people do stupid things. The sentence Love is blind has different meanings.. For me this was another example for the same.

So, basically I am supporting RK here. Great, I have said it aloud now. I like Madhu and Bittu-ji too. But, RK is the sensible one. We were distracted by Madhu and her dreams that we lost track of reality. This was one good reality check we got from RK. If we were not blinded by Madhu, we could have seen clearly how annoyed RK was getting with each passing minute. Well, Madhu now you know, way to RKs heart is not through his stomach but rather with your brains and logic. If you go back and see, how annoyed RK was. He was not comfortable doing any of those rituals he did not believe in. He has no doubt about Madhu's sincerity towards the rituals but he places health ahead of this ritual.

First, we saw how much he was shocked that madhu is keeping the vrat even after he told her not to. Madhu, should have got her 1st clue there itself. To please RK, she has to listen to what he says and not defy him and then expect him to be sweet to her. She forced him to do something he did not believe. She is going rather fast on him. he is a scarred soul and such people take time to heal. You cannot expect miracles from them. He is changing but in his own pace. Madhu got a little carried off with her victory that she can handle him and make him do what she wants. That was another MISTAKE she made. Agreed, She is totally in love and she is not seeing anything. Even RK could see, when he explained her nicely she does not listen.

Second, Bittu-ji came and told him how she stole the sargi and how she was taking so much efforts to complete the vrat. Rk, was annoyed at her stubbornness here. he knew she would rather die but not drink water. So, he came running home so that she will complete her vrat. He just humored her and she took all these in her stride. She was happy, her faith in place. But, what for? She almost fainted and is not well now. God, never wanted their children to do this. He made us and provided with food so that we survive. He took care of Madhu. Madhu is important to him. Only one thing kept ringing in my head, his conversation with Malik. There we saw how he told Malik now Madhu was his responsibility and he will protect her from harms way. True, he is protecting her from physical harm but he is not realising that he is hurting her emotionally.

Third, in the morning when madhu got up to go to washroom. Their nok-jhok, it was endearing for us. Buy, did you see, how much more irritated her was and how restless he was. When he was ill, she took care of him. But she was not allowing him to take care of her.

Shruti, Did you really expect Madhu to allow RK to accompany her to the washroom.. 😲 I dont know if I am making myself clear- but they havent been physically intimate and how can RK expect Madhu to allow him into the washroom when she is doing whatever she wants to do in there.. If they were a husband and wife with all the meaning that it implies, then it would have been a different story.. The poor girl couldnt even meet his eyes when he was tying her dori.. She is in love for the first time in her life and she is shy and awkward with him.. Only when he teases her, is her back up. If she had agreed, I would have been shocked..

And then, Bittu-ji interrupted them. One look of his face was enough to chill someone. He was angry. Then following that breakfast drama. Madhu was being kiddish, he said it right. She is a small child inside.

Fourth, and the last straw... Madhu cooking meal for him when she was hardly fit. She should have rested and then took care of making meal for him. What was she thinking??? RK an ordinary guy?? No. Sorry dear, you need to come back to reality. he is no regular guy like that Makki. that one look from him and he just blasted her. That was a reality check for me too. I was blinded by Madhu's dreams and hence all sweet sweet RK was too good. But, then we got our RK back. I am not saying he did the right thing by throwing away the food tray. But, come on, give him some slack here. The guy has been worried about her health and who could be who is trying to poison her. He can't have a relaxed time. The moment he lets his guard down something happens. he could have told Madhu lightly. But, you know what.. Madhu would not have listened. That throwing the tray did the work. That broke her from her trance and she saw the reality. Madhu will always be childish.

I am not too impressed by his throwing.. He though of only his feelings.. But what of hers? The effort she put in. If someone had done it to me, then he would know.. 😡

I an relate to RKs reations as I would have done the same. I have little RK in me. I can't tolerate hypocrisy and anything fake. It just ticks me off. But, I am not into hating people. Being an artist I understand to RKs temperament. We are extreme people. We do everything to the extreme and not easy people to live with. I hope, Madhu understands this.

I recently read this book and this one line has stayed with me "One should know when to walk away.." the moment you learn doing that you never will suffer so much.

I like this line. Which book?

That is what I want Madhu to understand. She doesn't know to walk away. She keeps barging in. and the result you saw... Only destruction...

i think only this REALITY CHECK was an eye-opener and highlight of the episode. Other scenes just fade away for me.

Sorry, if I have hurt anyone's sentiments. This is just my opinion. You can disagree with it.

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Thanks for the like Sona:)

@party: He had initially thanked her for coming to the party and he was proudly presenting and showing off his beautiful wife... But when he came to know that she had come down at his mother's insistence and she also wore the bangles his mom gave, he directly reduced her from being his lady to the waitress and the humiliation continued... That was completely abhorable but beyond a point he cannot control his anger and loses all his senses of dignity, decorum, respect,etc...

I would put it like this...

RK gave the party with the sole intention of humiliating Madhu.. But when he saw Madhu on the stairs looking so beautiful, he was mesmerised. The poor guy forgot about his plans to humiliate his Biwi.. So the lines about his beautiful wife.. Then Radha came and opened her stupid mouth.. THUD... RK came back to his senses and followed with his original plans... 😡

Originally posted by: Red_Opium

Namzz, I totally agree!!! I don't like pink, but Hotty's made it work and managed to look even extra HOT

Yeah.. He looked like a pink bubble gum.. 😳

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