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Posted: 8 years ago
I Have my set of questions. when Ram ji and sita ji were exiled ?? immediately or after some years ?? if their some years when they didn't have children ?? Is become vanvasi means tapasvi also?? Ram ji was brahmchari in forests ?? and ram ji stayed at different places in forests ?? i read ram ji spent 10 years in chitrkutt. it looks permanent stay. is permanent stay allowed in vanvass.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: crazygul

I Have my set of questions. when Ram ji and sita ji were exiled ?? immediately or after some years ?? if their some years when they didn't have children ?? Is become vanvasi means tapasvi also?? Ram ji was brahmchari in forests ?? and ram ji stayed at different places in forests ?? i read ram ji spent 10 years in chitrkutt. it looks permanent stay. is permanent stay allowed in vanvass.


Sita and Ram were exiled immediately. Some sources say after 12 years. But i believe Narayan came to the earth with a purpose. 12 years is too long a time that raghunandar remained a prince before being exiled.
Shri Ram was not a mere vanvasi one who dwelled in the forest. He was a tapasvi. An ascetic. As well as a Kshatriya.
They say the kodand( bow of Shri Ram ) was always between Sita Ram during the vanvas clearly indicating that the decorum of canvas was to live that way. When you look historically it is said there are separate caves for Sita Ram where they might have lived.
It is said lord Ram spent many years in chitrakut. And I don't think there was any rule that they shouldn't stay in a particular place in the forest for too long. But this am not sure
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Cluny13



Sita and Ram were exiled immediately. Some sources say after 12 years. But i believe Narayan came to the earth with a purpose. 12 years is too long a time that raghunandar remained a prince before being exiled.
Shri Ram was not a mere vanvasi one who dwelled in the forest. He was a tapasvi. An ascetic. As well as a Kshatriya.
They say the kodand( bow of Shri Ram ) was always between Sita Ram during the vanvas clearly indicating that the decorum of canvas was to live that way. When you look historically it is said there are separate caves for Sita Ram where they might have lived.
It is said lord Ram spent many years in chitrakut. And I don't think there was any rule that they shouldn't stay in a particular place in the forest for too long. But this am not sure

Oh Ok.
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Posted: 8 years ago
I Have A Question Was Goddess Sandhya Really Evil To Lord Shani?
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Posted: 8 years ago
my question is why Ram ji used to call sita mata , sitey. its a short one , affectionate one ?? and by which name Ram ji used to call sita mata than sita , maithli , janaki . 2nd ram ji is always seen as a cruel husband it pains me a lott.
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Posted: 8 years ago
another question sita mata also did parityaag of lord Rama calling her just King and not Aaryputra.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: crazygul

my question is why Ram ji used to call sita mata , sitey. its a short one , affectionate one ?? and by which name Ram ji used to call sita mata than sita , maithli , janaki . 2nd ram ji is always seen as a cruel husband it pains me a lott.



In Sanskrit grammar, whenever you address a woman whose name ends with 'a', the last syllable changes to 'ey'. This way, Seeta becomes Sitey, Raadha->Raadhey, Subhadra->Subhadrey and so on.
And for the names that end with 'i' (suppose Janaki),
We pronounce it as "Janakee" with the longer 'i'. This, while addressing a person named thus, becomes "Janaki" with a shorter 'i'.

Raam addressed Seeta with different names, depending on his moods and the context of their conversation.

Raamji pretended to be a bad husband to let Seeta, the woman, have her say. You see, whenever Rama is affectionate, Seeta chooses to stay mum. She speaks only when injustice is done. So, Raamji had to act inconsiderate to show the world what happens to the husband who mistreats his wife (Seetaji left him).

Originally posted by: crazygul

another question sita mata also did parityaag of lord Rama calling her just King and not Aaryputra.



See, Ram was the ideal husband too. And Seeta knew that. She got the fact that Ram, as a husband, could not even dream of mistreating his wife. But, he had to banish her and go through the Agnipariksha nonsense to uphold his duty of being the 'People's King'. He had to do whatever his praja wanted of him. Before whom Seeta demonstrates her purity (and upholds justice) is Raja Ram, and not her husband. So, when she leaves, she addresses him as her King and not as her husband.

And also, Ram and Seeta were never really separate. So, for Seeta to leave him with the acknowledgement that she was leaving her husband it would have been an outright lie for their love.

I hope this helps! 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago

Your last paragraph - how exactly was Yadu's descendant who regained Yayati's kingdom? Yayati's kingdom was Prathistana - today's Prayag, whereas Vajra was crowned the ruler of Mathura. In that time, completely different lands. Also, from Puru's line, Parikshit was the successor, and since he was the only survivor of Puru, the dynasty from Parikshit onwards was known as the Puru dynasty, since it was the only one that continued the lineage.

I agree w/ you that Yayati was selfish. In fact, if you look at Shukracharya's curse, it was pretty justified. Here are all the events that led to it:
  • Devyani and Sharmishta were childhood friends, Devyani being Shukrachaya's daughter, and Sharmishta being the princess of the asuras.
  • One day, they had a spat, that resulted in Sharmishta pushing Devyani down a well. Later, after Devyani was rescued, Shukracharya threatened to abandon the asuras, and Sharmista's father, to save his kingdom, agreed that Sharmishta would become Devyani's maid
  • Note that Devyani was under a curse from Kacha that no brahmin would ever marry her. As a result, when she came upon Yayati, she married him
  • From that marriage, she got Yadu and another son.
  • In the meantime, Sharmista, who was her maid, seduced Yayati into marrying him and had 3 sons from him
  • When Devyani discovered it, she complained to her father, who accordingly cursed Yayati
So Yayati was pretty much a lowlife in this story. In those times, while it was okay for a king to make his maid his concubine and even marry her, he could not do that w/ his wife's maid w/o her permission, but this is what Yayati did here, and what got Devyani so upset.

From a caste point of view, Sharmista's sons were more worthy of becoming kings, since one was a marriage b/w a brahminess and a kshatriya, and the other was a marriage b/w a kshatriya and a (asura) kshatrani. So had all things been equal, Yadu and his own brother might have been passed over.


@ Vrish

I am Lakshmi. We interacted in SPK forum. Nice to meet you here.

I agree with all the points you mentioned above. But saying Yayati is low in ch,I find it a little bit sad. Isn't Sukracharya too faulty in all this? He used his dominance on King Vrisha Parva and made him offer his daughter a princess as a servant to his daughter. Ofcourse Sarmishtha misbehaved with Dev yani. But isn't it too much to make her a servant and expect her to be so all her life?

Yayati did not agree instantly when Sarmishtha offered herself. A long argument followed with Yayati sticking to his word as per BORI critical Edittion. He said he can not cheat Devyani.

Sarmishtha also has her valid points to argue. She wanted to have children. She said since she is in service of Devyani and Devyani in turn serves Yayati as her husband so she also will come under him . She further says she can not bear her life if he refuses her request.

Devyani can not be informed because she will never agree . She is prejudiced with Sarmishtha. Also kings certainly are allowed to follow polygamy in those days.

Vrish Even Arjun has to oblige Ulupi when she said she will die if he won't oblige and she also wished a son by Arjun. Did Arjun inform his first wife then? No. For saving Ulupi's life is more important at that moment.

Sarmishtha is a princess. She willingly endured being a servant to Devyani. But she was frustrated that her life will be meaningless without children. I feel she is justified. Yayati also did what is to be done to save a life.

Devyani by nature is so arrogant. She is the spoilt daughter of Sukracharya who is equally arrogant . How could he give such curse to his son in law who is a great emperor,human being and most important isn't it his duty to feel concerned towards Sarmishtha who is a princess by birth leading a servant's life?

Yayati tested his sons. Yadu,Turvas and Puru. It is not only his lust that made him do so. He as the King should settle so many matters before becoming a helpless old man. His sons are still young. So he cleverly asks Sukracharya that he still is not satisfied with his association with Devyani. So he got an exchange offer.

The significance of Yayati's marriage with Sarmishtha is to get an able King like Puru to rule Kurus. Ofcourse Yadu also is competent. But still Puru is a kshatrani's son.

The dynasty of Kurus flourished with the marriage of Arjun and Subhadra. Interestingly Kshatriya women became the queens later on. Uttara is a princess. Parikshit is married to Vapushtama,princess of Kashi.

I always liked Sarmishtha . So this long post. Bear with me. In my view Yayati is not lusty. In fact Devyani loved Kacha, Brihaspathi's son so dearly before she married Yayati.

A big hello to all the wonderful people here.

Lakshmi
Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
thanks a lott radhika rani di for solving my query ! Ram ji never demanded agni pariksha. it was agni parvesh. seeta ji unable to bear harsh words decided to took agni pravesh and then gods came and testified seeta ji innocence. why seeta ji didn't take Ram ji name ?? why husband names can't be taken by wife in Indian mythology.

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