Kala:Narcissism robbed love/emotions from her soul

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I was tempted to start this thread yesterday but had to let everything sink in as I had up to now been torn about Kala the sociopath, Kala, the psychopath or Kala, the unfortunate little eight years old who grew up to be the malignant narcissist obsessed by the idea of love/hatred and attachment/abandonment. Several members have attempted to decipher her character which in actuality combined to a certain degree all the traits mentioned above. The one thing that I was not expecting so soon from CVs, though, was revealing Kala as an abuser who has initiated her own abandonment because of her fear of losing control of her perceived codependent in the form of Dutta who she admits to abusing since childhood. During the past week, some on the forum have hinted at a possible Oedipus's complex or worse, her nurturing of some incestuous feelings for her cousin. Thankfully, none of that seems to be the case (just imagine how Nakusha's complications would have compounded), or, maybe the CVs may have found it too daunting to unleash on an audience still delving deep in the rural areas of India (No offence meant).

The mask of sanity came off to reveal a deranged woman who craved for total attention but just could not find words to verbalise her needs and slowly/perversely created a world of ideal beauty (as reflected in her own quest for personal physical beauty, incomparable yet imaginary achievements, wealth, brilliance and unmitigated success, that sadly did not belong to her but belonged to Dutta, the one person she hated most. The narcissist in Kala may deny this reality constantly but the abyss between her sense of entitlement to Patil Niwas/Patil Wadi and her inflated grandiose fantasies clashed with the incommensurate reality and achievements of the cousin who she feels was aided by her own mother and worshipped by her two younger sisters who may have loved D for real but quickly realised that they should play the game for the material benefits that they would derive. A sin both Leela and Roops will pay dearly for in the coming episodes as they have failed Kala a second time and Dutta ever since they attained some form of self-realisation as to the latter's importance in ensuring that they have the life of leisure they crave for. Thankfully, Dutta is going to prove his magnanimousness once again and forgive them their digression when he takes full stock of Kala's degree of moral depravity.

Kala, finally, confessed to her sins which find roots in what she perceived as her own mother's abandonment of her own flesh and blood in favour of Dutta, the cousin left at the mercy of nature by an abusive father who was also the cause of her own father's death. From a completely neutral point of view, I have to concede that her anger/hatred is justified to a certain extent and the main culprit should in fact be Ayi Saheb who just did not gauge the immense trauma that her eldest would have suffered seeing the father that she must have idolised, accidentally, pushed to death by an insensitive and reckless Damodar Patil. From there on starts the journey of the innocuous little girl whose emotions slowly become a buffer that evolve in a dangerous form of malignant self-love as witnessed with the caricature of Dutta on the iconic mirror that has been the long suffering companion of our very own version of The Silence of the Lambs.

There have been discussions before on the forum that Kala was never shown grieving for Shriram Patil and that has never been a fair assumption to make as it is not necessary for every human being to cry their grief on top of the roof. She was but a small girl still in a state of shock when she was probably forced to help her heavily pregnant mum take care of Leela and the newly adopted brother. Surely, the eight years old Kala, had to forsake all the little luxuries, the dolls, the toys (hence her adult fascination with the same) that her dad provided for because her Mum, besides her bereavement had no resources to ensure a simple, yet, balanced lifestyle. That alone would have unhinged that part of her brain which would have found contentment otherwise. That would have triggered off the nascent narcissist who slowly grew up. She was again short-changed as soon as she reached the age of marriage and found herself as the wife of the erudite yet penniless Kishore who was unable to see that side of a woman who craved for money, for obsessive love to the point of worship, for power. It was unfortunate but she could not have the best, the most glamorous, stunning, talented, head turning, mind-boggling spouse in the world. For the narcissist, nothing short of this fantasy would have done especially when she was witnessing Dutta's rise as the all powerful Don who could have anything on the face of this earth, or, at least a perception of everything that had been denied to her because of a choice that her mother made years ago. She found herself reverting to the devaluation of the erudite Kishore who must have been so wrapped up in his own world seeking for higher wisdom through books that the one chance for healing was lost once again. Her behaviour turned on a dime and became threatening, demeaning, contemptuous, berating, reprimanding, destructively critical and sadistic to the point of being clinically cold. She made sure that the poor Kishore was punished for not living up to her standards as personified yesterday in her contemptuous rejection of Kishore's Rs10 worth of sindoor.

Kala became a mother by which time Dutta must have had embraced the criminal world and started his ascent as the undisputed King of Patil Wadi. His sense of generosity would have naturally got him to have his whole family in the grandeur surroundings of Patil Niwas where the sense of worship and probable sense of sycophancy from the whole village and Kala's own family flared up the embers of hatred and jealousy that she had been shielding for years. Even worse was her own mother's elevation as the generous benefactor of Patil Wadi through Dutta when her own father (through whom that elevation would have happened) had been robbed of the prominent public status that his role as the representative of the workers 25 years ago was snatched by Damodar Patil. To a certain extent, Ayi Sahib must have passed on her own narcissism to her eldest daughter. How would one otherwise explain the fact that she never read the signs that her daughter was near an edge or even if she sensed it chose to ignore it for a false sense of peace. (Remember the first time she tried to stop Kala from uprooting the past. Had she at least measured the consequences of that hatred then, she would not have reached the point of no return for her clearly disturbed daughter)

God knows if Shriram Patil would have been able to provide all that Dutta ended giving to his adopted sisters and Ayi Sahib but it was too late as Kala had, knowingly/unknowingly, transformed into the malignant narcissist for whom life needed to revolve around the axis called Kala Tai who played the wrathful and demanding God in the guise of the "ever-caring" sister, daughter "full of solicitude" and the figurehead that she had always wanted to be in the absence of her father. Dutta, in her mind, became the source of narcissistic supply, almost an instrument, and an extension of herself that she perceived as a threat and an insult to her own existence but still the vehicle necessary for her perception of power over every living being in PN. And, unfortunately for Dutta, he did give her the impression that she had an upper hand in his life until Nakusha became the focal point of his life. For the sake of brevity, I am not going to dwell on this aspect as it has been documented enough on the forum. Had Dutta never "invested" his emotions and love elsewhere, the malignant narcissist would never have assumed such monstrous proportions as we saw over the course of the last eleven months in LTL ever since Dutta agreed to first marry Supriya and ended up marrying Nakusha for all the right reasons.

And it was by no means because of any incestuous feelings (strictly my POV, she hates Dutta too much for that) but because she considered Dutta's very existence as sufficiently but sickeningly nourishing and sustaining for her obsession. She felt entitled to the best he represented without investing in maintaining relationships or in catering to the well being of the adopted brother whom she attempted to pathologise through an insidious but very intricate mechanism of projective identification. She, almost, succeeded in compelling Dutta to play an emergent role of "the weak" or "the naive" brother who needed to be protected against all odds and what she denied in herself, what she was terrified of facing in her own personality - she attributed to others and moulded them to conform to her prejudices against themselves. She spared no one in this process, be it Dutta, her primary target, hers sisters, Leela and Roops, her husband Kishore, son Anay, brother-in-law, Sudarshan (who might prove to be an issue soon), Baaji, Nakusha or Ayi Saheb.

Sociopathic or narcissistic obsessions may last as long as one is not afraid of losing one's sources of hatred and hence trigger an unconscious process of emotional damage which was what happened in Kala's case. Nakusha's open challenges forced Kala to initiate her own abandonment and the terrible fear of getting unmasked. The strategist who would rather control, master, and direct the potentially destabilising situation (getting to know about Dutta being alive despite her almost "successful attempt") had failed because of what she perceived as Dutta's good fortune in having an unshakeable support system represented by Nakusha/Baaji/AS. And rather than confront its effects and attempt damage limitations which could have still been possible, the narcissist with a low level of organization (as seen in her umpteenth failed attempts to separate Dutta and Nakusha), she chose to inflict a narcissistic injury so grave that the whole edifice that was Kala came crumbling down. Narcissists, as per experts in the field, usually, entertain suicidal ideation but, the narcissist who initiated his/her own abandonment as in Kala's case where she directed the scenes, abandonment is finally perceived to be a goal she sets herself to achieve. And it no longer mattered who came in the fray, family members, her own flesh and blood or husband as she had gone too far. And Kala's closing scene with that lone tear that she wipes away when her mother decides to rejoin everyone in confinement may be telling of her immense sense of loss but the Kala who is left on the PN centre stage hates happiness, joy, ebullience and vivaciousness - in short, she hates life itself, almost a soul with no footprints. All the relationships she had, ended up one-sided, twenty-five years of a wisp of a life that will leave no trail as her perception of love and attachment went unrequited in the end,

I would have loved to go further into the roots of Kala's bizarre propensity and attempt to decipher further the psychological dynamics that operated concurrently in Kala as it is very confusing to be a narcissist who could have chosen to enjoy the best by being the wondrous sociopath but chose to end it all because of the unchecked and grave injuries she sustained when she was a kid. That is better left to a professional and I would be grateful if anyone on the forum with the necessary qualifications came forward. What we got to see on Saturday with Kala was a first on Indian TV or shall I go further and state that the depth with which the destructive narcissist was depicted, may not have even been attempted on Indian Cinema. Hats off to the CVs, hats off to Aashka Goradia who joins the select few actors who would have portrayed with such finesse and power the deranged narcissist that we end up feeling pity for and want to embrace and help wipe off the many years of hurt that Kala would have let fester into intense/burning hatred. We may never have the courage to admit it but a bit of Kala resides in many people we come across in day to day life but just ignore because we are either not aware of such afflictions or because we are too ashamed to concede to the fact that human frailties come in all guises.

Would love to hear your comments. 😳

PS: Dear friends, I may not really get a chance to reply to your posts straight away but please do not let this stop you from commenting on this thread as I feel that Kala will remain very much the subject of many discussions this week.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Wonderful post Kavita. Coming to Kala's feelings for Dutta...I agree with Zuby...Dutta has everything Kala covets in a man. She knew that one day this man would belong to another woman and what she thinks should be hers would be someone else's. Hence she tried her best to keep him away from this woman. But I guess LTL will not chose to go down that route further as the masses might find it unappealing. Afterall LTL has always been the love story of a poor girl and a powerful mafia don.
Though Kala blames AS for what she has become I dont agree with her. Everyone agrees that they have had sibling fights as a child but that doesnt carry over to adulthood. One has to be abnormal for that. Hatred was all-consuming for Kala yet it was not enough to have made her move away from her object of hatred and instead she chose to stay as close as possible to the object of her hatred. She is very simply put a psychopath. Everyone else around her whether its her mother, sisters, husband, son, brother, sister-in-law are her victims.
Btw check out this link. Looks like Kala has all traits of a psychopath:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

Quoting from the site
"Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.

And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools.

Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.

You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience, that they seldom even guess at your condition.

In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world.

You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.

How will you live your life?

What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)?

The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dull-witted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and nonviolent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites. [...]

Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all.

If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. [...]

Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population...."

Edited by kshreya2002 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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My god you wrote such a long yet riveting psychological analysis! Quite a hard read but if I had to point out 1 thing that agreed with you is this bit in bold 'her nurturing of some incestuous feelings for her cousin' and 'And it was by no means because of any incestuous feelings (strictly my POV, she hates Dutta too much for that) but because she considered Dutta's very existence as sufficiently but sickeningly nourishing and sustaining for her obsession.' The mere thought of it just makes me shudder. I mean it had been hatred through and through. Nothing like love. It's an obsessive hatred but to think that there might be some incestous element is not right. Her words, her action exude hatred only. There is nothing more, nothing less. I for one am glad that hatred is what she emits.To have something else connected with that 1 emotion would completely destroy her character. That 1 emotion has been conveyed so effectively and the delusional element intertwined makes Kala's character even more special.

Thankfully, none of that seems to be the case (just imagine how Nakusha's complications would have compounded), or, maybe the CVs may have found it too daunting to unleash on an audience still delving deep in the rural areas of India (No offence meant).

Exactly. I think it's something that would never be dreamt of being shown and seems highly unrealistic. Also, we already have Gunaho Ka Devta whose main story line is, although slightly different, the love a widow has developed for her brother-in-law. I mean the whole character was sickening at the beginning. I would never be able to see Kala in that role. 🤢 She has been constructed so beautifully for a vamp. Here, we are talking about a cousin brother-sister r'ship! Sometimes, things should be taken for what they seem to be first hand at face value. Why even bother to think ooo this ooo that, scraping away at the barrel. It has always been clear that she hates Dutta!

Im not an expert in psychology or what not, but I am aware of the maternal deprivation theory. Based on that, it probably has had an effect on her emotional and social skills. Added to that the knowledge of knowing about the facts surrounding her father's death and witnessing it, at her devleopmental age, it was bound to cause damage. 'From a completely neutral point of view, I have to concede that her anger/hatred is justified to a certain extent and the main culprit should in fact be Ayi Saheb who just did not gauge the immense trauma that her eldest would have suffered seeing the father that she must have idolised, accidentally, pushed to death by an insensitive and reckless Damodar Patil.'

AS partly to blame yes, I think she perhaps took things a little too lightly and shifted her focus on ensuring that the boy didn't miss out on maternal love. Ironically, her maternal instincts led to her own daughter to grow up a damaged person, who then went on to harm the son who she nurtured days on end.

Great post!
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me 3rd !! Will come back!! Dear Kavita,
Very indepth post, while I was reading it I was thinking what was going in the mind of Asksha while she was portraying this character, was she thinking in these lines? I have read that at times the actors ask the director or the writer what is the thought process, what is the background, hobby, etc etc of the character they will have to portray...
Now my thoughts regarding Kala and more so of Ayi Sahib...I have not seen characters like Kala in real life but yes I have seen people suffering from depressing at somewhat close quarters...Kala's is more of a complicated case study for me but then has Kala reached her present state due to Ayi Sahib's neglect?
In today episode Ayi Sahib lamented that she could not read Kala and hence she is seeing this day...for me I would say did Ayi Sahib have the time to read Kala or have time for her children when they were growing up after their father's death....I think not for the poor lady was busy in earning a living and feeding the hungry mouths....she simply did not have time to spare for Kala....
Though I am hating Kala now in heart of hearts I know it is not her fault, she has been subject to a horror which no adult would like to see let alone a child...and more so growing up with it....when Kala confessed how she tortured Dutta, somehow my respect for Dutta grew, even in that age, he did not go to his foster mother to complain about her daughter...somehow the poor child bore the torture for the mistake his father committed....maybe this played a vital role in turning him to a Bhau, he got the sense of protecting his family against the evils for he was subject to it from childhood
I can only say Kala, Dutta and Ayi Sahib are victims of circumstances...three of them have earned enough reasons to get our sympathies....love Tin
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My god you wrote such a long yet riveting psychological analysis! Quite a hard read but if I had to point out 1 thing that agreed with you is this bit in bold 'her nurturing of some incestuous feelings for her cousin' and 'And it was by no means because of any incestuous feelings (strictly my POV, she hates Dutta too much for that) but because she considered Dutta's very existence as sufficiently but sickeningly nourishing and sustaining for her obsession.' The mere thought of it just makes me shudder. I mean it had been hatred through and through. Nothing like love. It's an obsessive hatred but to think that there might be some incestous element is not right. Her words, her action exude hatred only. There is nothing more, nothing less. I for one am glad that hatred is what she emits.To have something else connected with that 1 emotion would completely destroy her character. That 1 emotion has been conveyed so effectively and the delusional element intertwined makes Kala's character even more special.

Thankfully, none of that seems to be the case (just imagine how Nakusha's complications would have compounded), or, maybe the CVs may have found it too daunting to unleash on an audience still delving deep in the rural areas of India (No offence meant).

Exactly. I think it's something that would never be dreamt of being shown and seems highly unrealistic. Also, we already have Gunaho Ka Devta whose main story line is, although slightly different, the love a widow has developed for her brother-in-law. I mean the whole character was sickening at the beginning. I would never be able to see Kala in that role. 🤢 She has been constructed so beautifully for a vamp. Here, we are talking about a cousin brother-sister r'ship! Sometimes, things should be taken for what they seem to be first hand at face value. Why even bother to think ooo this ooo that, scraping away at the barrel. It has always been clear that she hates Dutta!

Im not an expert in psychology or what not, but I am aware of the maternal deprivation theory. Based on that, it probably has had an effect on her emotional and social skills. Added to that the knowledge of knowing about the facts surrounding her father's death and witnessing it, at her devleopmental age, it was bound to cause damage. 'From a completely neutral point of view, I have to concede that her anger/hatred is justified to a certain extent and the main culprit should in fact be Ayi Saheb who just did not gauge the immense trauma that her eldest would have suffered seeing the father that she must have idolised, accidentally, pushed to death by an insensitive and reckless Damodar Patil.'

AS partly to blame yes, I think she perhaps took things a little too lightly and shifted her focus on ensuring that the boy didn't miss out on maternal love. Ironically, her maternal instincts led to her own daughter to grow up a damaged person, who then went on to harm the son who she nurtured days on end.

Great post!
Hi Neets,
Sorry for the sheer length but Kala's confessions which would be the crux of the story forward for LTL, fully, deserved that analysis. I am happy that one of the first members to post agreed to the fact that there is no love lost for Dutta (incestuous or otherwise) in any figment of Kala's heart and soul. For her, it is hatred all through and this is why her character fascinates us to that extent.
As you rightly point out, I, also, shudder at the implications for Nakusha and the whole PN household had this, remotely, been the case. Just imagine how much of a Gordian knot we would have ended with as Dutta has, unfortunately, been an unknowing codependent of Kala for years and it woud have taken a little bit of twisting from the master schemer that she is to become the source of all emotions, responsible for all developments, positive and negative alike. She had succeeded, albeit briefly in inducing unhappiness and gloom in Dutta in the past to ensure that he experiences misery. How long would it have been before she started indulging in manipulation and emotional extortion and distortion. So much so that we could have found Dutta at her mercy and feeling happy when she says so.
Also, thank you for convening on my views of the Indian audience not ready for such an onslaught. Why look for noxious complications when there are already enough problems to mark all the residents of PN for a lifetime. You refer to Gunahon ka Devta, a serial, I do not watch so at a loss to comment on the velleity of your arguments. Let it suffice that we should not try to scrape the barrel as you rightly put it.

As to Ayi Saheb, what more can we add but the fact that she is responsible to a great extent for the sad state of affairs in PN today. She is, actually, the one who needed help to be able to understand and act upon the consequences of a decision that has taken the majority members of her family on the brink of great danger today. She failed to read the telltale signs of Kala's obsession, she failed to stop Dutta from further embroiling himself on a road of no return, she did not gauge Leela and Roops's thirst and greed for the good life to the point that they became happy accomplices in Kala's dark deeds barring the plan to murder Dutta. Kala has surely inherited the narcissistic traits from her as it is very much somebody who is happy in a false sense of grandeur that the new life that Dutta conferred upon her that made her blind to all that was happening around her. Fortunately for her, she remained a harmless but hapless mother, unlike her daughter who developed all the negative and deadly traits that we saw in full form on Saturday.

The next few weeks, surly, promise to be full of excitement and I am curious to see the face-off between Kala and her arch enemy.
Thank you,
Kavita😳
Edited by KavitaDR - 14 years ago
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Very well written Kavita.👍🏼 As always😳 Quite an indepth analysis.
When I said that there might also be an undercurrent of forbidden feelings for Dutta I didn't mean explicit sexual love like the example mentioned in one of the post. That would be so crass🤢 That character was given that shade solely to put her in direct competition with the female lead with an idea of a typical soapish titilation.But that will never be the case with LTL which has always explored emotions on a higher intellectual realm. The forbidden feeling here is one which a woman desparately craves in a man.With Kalawati its power, wealth,singular rule over a vast area like Ratnagiri.Kala is incapable of feeling something like love, sexual & otherwise.That she has a husband like Kishore only propounds these feelings.And it is her biggest misfortune that her perceived arch enemy Dutta possesses these most coveted qualities.The way she used to caress him at every given opportunity was proof like she is saying," Wish u were not Damodar's son & my cousin" Why would anyone want to touch someone for whom they have so much hatred?
I agree with u about her psychotic narcissist nature but the above compounds those nature in ways which makes her really unstable.Her father's death may have played a part in her becoming the way she's turned out but if u remember that Diwali night AS was complaining Kala was turning rather stubborn.The immense need for self preservation was always there for her.Kala cares two hoots about her alive son, mother & sisters why would she care about a father dead for 26 yrs.
About AS, she belongs to the lower middle class section of the Indian society where mothers are most long suffering & have very little control over adult children's major choices in life. Till Dutta was 20 he was a hardworking & honest mechanic.That would have been the age upto which AS would have had some say in his life.But then he was an adult when he chose to a life of crime.He knew what he was getting into. Of course AS had the choice to move away from his life along with her daughters which she probably should have done that was her biggest mistake that she didn't. Had she done so Dutta still would have been what he is today.Same goes for Kala. AS should have been aware of her nature, she is I think in her deepest part of her heart but there was pretty little she could have done about it.
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😳Hey Zuby,
Thank you for the thumbs up. As I explained to you in my PM, writing on Kala does drain you of positive energy but my attempt tried to put in perspective a side of Kala that has not really been showed on screen and hence the difficulty in grasping the intense, almost abject hatred she has for Dutta. Also, let me reassure you that there are no direct allusions to any individual threads posted on Kala on the forum but rather all the different perceptions that have been discussed which have to certain degree been the premise for this thread. I will humbly, request my friend to look at my reply objectively. 😳
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Very well written Kavita.👍🏼 As always😳 Quite an indepth analysis.
When I said that there might also be an undercurrent of forbidden feelings for Dutta I didn't mean explicit sexual love like the example mentioned in one of the post. That would be so crass🤢 That character was given that shade solely to put her in direct competition with the female lead with an idea of a typical soapish titilation.
I am happy with your clarifications re your thread as set above not that I even thought about it but I fail to understand if you are referring to Gunahon ka Devta as mentioned in the post by neet_ltl on which I can't comment as I dont watch it all. Norwithstanding, this little digression, fact is that this can be a horrible reality that has been explored with tact in a few productions worldwide as incest does constitute one of those abject human foibles that very rarely get publicised due to the depravity it spells for humanity as a whole.
But that will never be the case with LTL which has always explored emotions on a higher intellectual realm. The forbidden feeling here is one which a woman desparately craves in a man.With Kalawati its power, wealth,singular rule over a vast area like Ratnagiri.Kala is incapable of feeling something like love, sexual & otherwise.That she has a husband like Kishore only propounds these feelings.And it is her biggest misfortune that her perceived arch enemy Dutta possesses these most coveted qualities.
Thankfully for LTL, emotions have become a minefield of intellectual discussions on this forum at least. I am not sure that the CVs ever set out with that in mind but I guess that it is due to the rich tapestry of emotions that they managed to draw and enacted beautifully by the actors in LTL that we have taken the show to the intellectual realm. As to the "forbidden feeling" you mention, I very clearly state in my post Kala's "quest for incomparable yet imaginary achievements, wealth, brilliance and unmitigated success, that sadly did not belong to her but belonged to Dutta, the one person she hated most. The narcissist in Kala may deny this reality constantly but the abyss between her sense of entitlement to Patil Niwas/Patil Wadi and her inflated grandiose fantasies clashed with the incommensurate reality and achievements of the cousin." There is nothing forbidden about that except that she never verbalised it for fear of being seen as she, actually, was, jealous to the point of being obsessed.
The way she used to caress him at every given opportunity was proof like she is saying," Wish u were not Damodar's son & my cousin" Why would anyone want to touch someone for whom they have so much hatred? I agree with u about her psychotic narcissist nature but the above compounds those nature in ways which makes her really unstable.
This is unfortunately a very crucial aspect of reverse psychology that , sociopaths, psychopaths , or narcissists go on mastering throughout their lives. Her caressing Dutta at every opportunity was her way of ensuring that Dutta remained a codependant that she could manipulate anytime she wanted. And this is done more so if one feels total hatred as in Kala's case as she needed that touch to keep the embers of hatred burning in her heart.
Her father's death may have played a part in her becoming the way she's turned out but if u remember that Diwali night AS was complaining Kala was turning rather stubborn.The immense need for self preservation was always there for her.Kala cares two hoots about her alive son, mother & sisters why would she care about a father dead for 26 yrs.
Caution here Zuby. The death of any parent, be it your mother or father in the circumstances witnessed by Kala is bound to mark anyone for life. You may not agree but the psychological scars that seeing your father pushed to his death by his crazed, insensitive brother is bound to leave a child psychologically damaged for life hence the need for self-preservation in Kala which up to a certain point allowed her to blot out those cruel images from her memory or else she would have become insane a long time ago. And who said that she did not care for her dead father. A child, however, twisted they may grow up as an adult never stops caring for their parents.
About AS, she belongs to the lower middle class section of the Indian society where mothers are most long suffering & have very little control over adult children's major choices in life. Till Dutta was 20 he was a hardworking & honest mechanic.That would have been the age upto which AS would have had some say in his life.But then he was an adult when he chose to a life of crime.He knew what he was getting into. Of course AS had the choice to move away from his life along with her daughters which she probably should have done that was her biggest mistake that she didn't. Had she done so Dutta still would have been what he is today.Same goes for Kala. AS should have been aware of her nature, she is I think in her deepest part of her heart but there was pretty little she could have done about it.
It is too easy to discount AS as a long-suffering mother hailing from whatever strata of the Indian Society. Unless things have changed dramatically in the past decade, the standard Indian family remains very matriarchal despite the perception of it being more patriarchal in essence. Dutta has been shown umpteenth time almost revering the very earth that AS walks to have gone against her wishes, had she tried to stop him when he was a 20 years old. It is unfortunate that LTL never delved deeper into the transformation of the honest mechanic into a full-fledged Don except for that conversation between Dutta and AS on the 29th March 2010 when AS shares her regrets with Dutta for not having stopped him on time. She also mentions that she was kind of coerced because of the burden of responsibility that her three daughters represented at that time. Same goes for Kala, she knew deep down that her daughter had nurtured a dark murky side to her character but never attempted to talk about it. That was the height of irresponsibility and the consequences are what we saw over the months culminating in Kala's explosion which throws the whole dynamics of relationships up in the air.
Edited by KavitaDR - 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

Wonderful post Kavita. Coming to Kala's feelings for Dutta...I agree with Zuby...Dutta has everything Kala covets in a man. She knew that one day this man would belong to another woman and what she thinks should be hers would be someone else's. Hence she tried her best to keep him away from this woman. But I guess LTL will not chose to go down that route further as the masses might find it unappealing. Afterall LTL has always been the love story of a poor girl and a powerful mafia don.
Though Kala blames AS for what she has become I dont agree with her. Everyone agrees that they have had sibling fights as a child but that doesnt carry over to adulthood. One has to be abnormal for that. Hatred was all-consuming for Kala yet it was not enough to have made her move away from her object of hatred and instead she chose to stay as close as possible to the object of her hatred. She is very simply put a psychopath. Everyone else around her whether its her mother, sisters, husband, son, brother, sister-in-law are her victims.
Btw check out this link. Looks like Kala has all traits of a psychopath:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

Quoting from the site
"Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.

And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools.

Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.

You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience, that they seldom even guess at your condition.

In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world.

You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.

How will you live your life?

What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)?

The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dull-witted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and nonviolent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites. [...]

Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all.

If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. [...]

Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population...."

Hi Shreya, You have put it across so much better in a clinical & embellishment-free way that its very scary but its exactly the point I wanted to make. I find it hard it to believe this is only a revenge/hatred saga. I think she started loving in warped way someone she had vowed to hate from the bottom of her heart. She had ample opportunities to kill him before now.I also noticed to AS she gives revenge as a reason for this hatred, to Sudarshan she offers the carrot of unfettered rule over D's kingdom, to her sisters she sells the idea of a comfortable life without the threat of an interloper in the form of D's wife.But when she is alone she only talks of pure hate while her eyes have a deep longing in them.I noticed it even in the Maha episode.But u are right. I doubt CVs will go that way though its an interesting avenue to explore it might not go down well with the masses.
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WOW Kavita!! You have made me speechless. The anlysis itself speaks volumes!
All the same, I have to say this. AS being a lower-middle class woman trying to bring up children on her own after the death of her husband and the only earning member of the household, don't think exactly ignored her children but she herself being a little less educated and unable to guage the damage done to her eldest daughter due to trauma was not able to identify it in the first place. She adopted Dutta as she was a mother and couldn't see a crying, abandoned child left alone and so took him under her wings. During this process Sriram Patil being dead and Kala being the eldest child in the house had to take care of her younger siblings. She may have had just the jealousy and anger towards Dutta as he shared everything with them includinh their mother's love for which Kala was obsessive. This can be understood as things happened in childhood. AS's obvious inclination towards Dutta may have happened because she became a mother of yet another girl child and may have harboured the wish of giving birth to a boy! Had it been a boy instead of Roops how would Kala have reacted? Her own brother could have done all that Dutta did for them. Dutta then would have lived with them like any other relative instead of becoming As's son. Kala's obsession since childhood or the impact of death of her father in front of her eyes has indeliably left mark on her but I still wonder how this hurt assumed this proportion. There is something else. I still feel something more that may have changed her mind and made her what she is today. Anyway, had it been a boy in place of Roops I am sure with her deranged mind she would have probably used him as well against Dutta and fulfilled her wishes. Just as Dutta who too was hurt by the way his own father treated him became quite normal under the love and care AS gave him. I refuse to believe that Kala did not get her share of love and care from her mother. May be that AS did not have a son she showered more love on him. Being typical lower-middle class mother she showed more inclination towards her "adopted" son than her own daughters. Why should it have made so much difference to Kala? It was to happen. Leela and Roops haven't become deranged like her. They only want Dutta's money and that's all. The betrayals in love that Dutta suffered finally is on the verge of erasing from his life with Naku's love and faith. Can Kala too be treated with love and care and made to come out of this?
But the fact is that what has led her to her self-destruction as Naku also pointed out? Even I am egerly waiting for any psychoanalysts on this forum to understand Kala more.
Anybody out there?
Edited by mozart66 - 14 years ago
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@Zuby: Initially Kala made it seem that the reason she kept Dutta alive was to see him bleed slowly...to control him and to have him come back to her. For that as you said she held different carrots to different people-Rups, Leela, Suds. But at the end of it all she was simply using them. Even right from the beginning she never intended to share the spoils with anyone. I remember Leela/Rups used to remind her that the three of them are in it together.
But Kala changed her stance completely when she realized Dutta is totally out of her hands. Nakusha had one chink in her armor but that wasnt enough to keep Dutta away from Nakusha. The accident has only hastened the process and prolonged seperation from Nakusha has made Dutta vocally acknowledge his feelings. So much so that told Kala to look after HIS Nakusha. No wonder she had a meltdown after that.
I guess with Dutta's death she hoped that she would thru manipulation manage to get what was his(wealth, power) and instead of getting kicks from seeing him suffer she would get kicks out of seeing the people he loves ie Nakusha, Baji, AS mourn him.
Coming to the morality of Kala's feelings...Dutta is her cousin...not every community considers such relationships incestous. Also Kala always knew that Dutta is her cousin but since the others didnt her feelings would be considered incestous. Btw till now it hasnt been shown if Kala had a hand in what Seema did so perhaps the feelings came to the fore much later when Dutta became the man Kala always wanted.

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