Same sex attraction. Should it be stopped?

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I think same sex attraction should be stopped and discouraged generally.
 
Towards this the Singapore Govt has funded a controvertial support group called Justice League that dissuades same sex attraction.
 
Apparently the Gay Society is unhappy😆

Singapore group challenges same-sex attraction

AFP - Friday, December 31
Singapore group challenges same-sex attraction

SINGAPORE (AFP) - – With a jacket casually draped over a T-shirt and sporting stylishly cropped hair, 49-year-old Leslie Lung looks markedly different from his younger self.

"It's been a journey from that all the way to where I am today," the advertising creative consultant said with a slight smile as he pointed to two photographs taken when he was 20.

The pictures show Lung made up as a woman in a form-fitting black tube top, long wavy hair tumbling over his shoulder and a glittering choker adorning his neck.

They are among the illustrations in a hardcover book written by Lung titled "Freedom of Choice: Short Stories of Freedom from Sexual Bondage."

Describing himself as having spanned "the entire gamut" of relationships, Lung is now the executive director of Liberty League, a controversial support group which says it aims to help people who want to overcome "same-sex attractions".

"We think that it is something that can be managed, it can be something that can be overcome, and there are people who have successfully come out of it," said Lung, who considered sex-change surgery when he was younger.

Set up in 2004, Liberty League is staffed by 10 volunteers and financed by grants from the government and private donors.

Singapore gay rights activists object to Liberty League's activities.

"They present the idea that being gay is bad and therefore you should change to straight," said Alex Au, one of the founders of gay rights group People Like Us.

"But that already is creating stigma. Why do you even present the message?" Au said Liberty League's ideals were "suspiciously similar" to those of Exodus International, a US fundamentalist Christian ministry actively involved in reforming homosexuals.

Lung says Liberty League is secular and not against gays, bisexuals and transgender people, but he draws the line at men having sex with men.

"It is a biological impossibility. It is impossible for two people of the same gender to consummate physical relationship," he insisted.

Despite greater tolerance for gays in recent years Singapore has refused to rescind an old law making consensual sex between men a crime.

"Singapore is basically a conservative society. The family is the basic building block of this society. It has been so and by policy we have reinforced this and we want to keep it so," Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong told parliament in 2007.

"By 'family' in Singapore, we mean one man one woman, marrying, having children and bringing up children within that framework of a stable family unit."

Lung says Liberty League only caters to people who seek help.

"We're not here to go and convert people, we're not here to say 'oh you must not do this and do that,'" he said.

"Some people who want to continue with the lifestyle, that's fine with us. Some people who don't want to, I think that there should be opportunities for them to explore the other option."

Liberty League conducts weekly group sessions where participants speak about their sexual preferences and dilemmas, said Lung. It can also refer participants to professional counsellors.

Group members typically consist of people attracted to others of the same gender, but those grappling with other problems such as sex addiction are also allowed to take part, he said.

"We find that this has been very, very helpful in opening up people's minds," Lung said.

"So often when people come, they think, oh this is a male issue, this is a female issue, but when they hear different perspectives then they come to understand actually it's a very universal thing."

Lung refused to reveal client numbers, but said "there's more than enough to keep us occupied and busy."

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Posted: 13 years ago
Why should same sex attraction be stopped? Do we really live in a Confucianist world?😆

Jokes apart, yeah, I don't see what harm same sex attraction/marriage brings to society. People of the opposite sex are not destined to be attracted to each other or something like that. Neither is there a code of law that says that it is immoral to be attracted to the same gender. Live, and let live, as long as they don't harm you back. 

Unless of course you're someone who thinks he/she's of the opposite gender. Now that's messed up. I forget there's a term for it.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: debayon

Why should same sex attraction be stopped? Do we really live in a Confucianist world?😆


Jokes apart, yeah, I don't see what harm same sex attraction/marriage brings to society. People of the opposite sex are not destined to be attracted to each other or something like that. Neither is there a code of law that says that it is immoral to be attracted to the same gender. Live, and let live, as long as they don't harm you back. 

Unless of course you're someone who thinks he/she's of the opposite gender. Now that's messed up. I forget there's a term for it.

Ah it is a pretty complicated world. But I feel that it should be discouraged as far as possible from young before it gets worse.
In some conservative countries it is treated as a crime.
 
 
I think some of these persons were of a different sex in their previous lives and so they feel uncomfortable.😆
 
Summer3 thumbnail
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This topic can be an interesting read to see if all this is due to the enviroment.
 
Same sex attraction: Nature vs Nurture
 
 
some have commented that it is a personal preference and in other cases it has been one of inadequate guidance since young.
In a family where there is only one son and several daughters it is possible that the son (especially if younger) tends to be more effiminate.
 
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Originally posted by: Summer3

In a family where there is only one son and several daughters it is possible that the son (especially if younger) tends to be more effiminate.
 



Being effeminate does not amount to being a gay male. In your scenario the boy is picking up social cues from his sisters. He may prefer to play house and Barbie doll. He may even begin to gossip and discuss with his sisters and friends how cute guys are etc. However, when he hits adolescence he might discover that he does not view boys the same way as his sisters doe. He might develop crushes and attractions on girls just like any heterosexual male. Thats because he is naturally straight. He will not go against his nature to emulate his sisters, he will do so only if his nature is actually of homosexual orientation.

That being said for every human behavior there is a proportion of nature as well as nurture.
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Originally posted by: Summer3

Ah it is a pretty complicated world. But I feel that it should be discouraged as far as possible from young before it gets worse.
In some conservative countries it is treated as a crime.
 



Yes. Please join this Facebook Group discouraging homosexuality - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2204465246. If we don't do something now, our world is hurtling towards an apocalypse.
debayon thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago
Mommy, you against homosexuality too?
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Originally posted by: debayon

Mommy, you against homosexuality too?



Please click the link.
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Attraction happen...friendship is possible,love happen,thats natural,....I think these people start trying new ways to relate... thy are imaginative...they wd like to try some new experiments..but personaly am not against if someone do these things, cos I feel whatsoever you are. It is nobody else's business and If they BOTH are happy, it is perfectly their own decision .....Who care!😊

 
someone says😛 'Last year I got a Rolex for his birthday from the lesbians next door.... I think they misunderstood me when I said I wanna watch.' 😆
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



Being effeminate does not amount to being a gay male. In your scenario the boy is picking up social cues from his sisters. He may prefer to play house and Barbie doll. He may even begin to gossip and discuss with his sisters and friends how cute guys are etc. However, when he hits adolescence he might discover that he does not view boys the same way as his sisters doe. He might develop crushes and attractions on girls just like any heterosexual male. Thats because he is naturally straight. He will not go against his nature to emulate his sisters, he will do so only if his nature is actually of homosexual orientation.

That being said for every human behavior there is a proportion of nature as well as nurture.

Yes after a while the guys will start waking up.
They cannot be softie too long.
 
But homosextuality seems pretty common among Monks in Catholic Churches where they have developed a bad name.
 
There are a few Pubs here that are frequented by Gays in Singapore, or some may gather round a corner in a large disco; smoking their life away.