The way Baji's LS was approached

Very nicely written👏

You make an interesting point and I do agree to a great extent.....the HOW of the Baaji potential love interest/love story has not been handled well to a large extent.....like you said, all this emotional atyachaar that he is subjected to with both the females in the picture doesn't suit him.

The only thing I kinda disagree with is vis a vis Roops.....the point you made....how it used to be more interesting when he bickered with her, retorting back at her when she tried to order him around.....it's valid....but regarding Roops's emotional transformation....for that very reason I found it believable....there was (at that point) an EVOLUTION happening with her character....in a credible way (to me atleast....I know most ppl don't feel that way.....lol) barring the suicide bit which I also found kinda excessive....the rest felt believable....the way she got drunk....ranted at Baaji....how Baaji picked her up and brought her back and tried to handle the situation....that dynamic they had....there was a clash of wills going on there that I found interesting....and even later on after Roops mellowed in a sense as they showed her "falling" for Baaji....they still had this sort of playful dynamic....I remember this scene when Roops offers to help him in decorating DN's room after Dutta had asked him to (although that scene felt kinda tainted since they'd revealed at that point that Roops was doing Kala's bidding still) but if you take that aside, and strictly speak of their DYNAMICS.....these two have a dynamic which has chemistry....which has potential for interesting clashes. IF Roops was given a chance as a character in regards to Baaji's case, I don't think it would just be emotional atyachaar.....cuz the fact that Roops is a brat at the base of it all would make her clash with Baaji still and how Baaji handles her and how it evolves would make for interesting viewing.

I do think Roops would have stood up to him in a sense as well....she seems more capable of bullying him than Madhu😆

Madhu is the one who is a bit too goody goody sugary sweet saccharine types and leaning more towards emotional atyachaar types in my opinion.

But anyways, this is water under the bridge.....Roops stands no chance....so Madhu + Baaji ki eternal "lowe story" it is😛....Let's all just enjoy the emotional atyachaar😆
Edited by nureat01 - 13 years ago

yh i agree the way they approach Baji's LS is pretty weird, its like they start it off n thn it gts lost sumwer in between the other storylines n loses focus... i suppose atm they r focusing mre on tasha's marital problems, duji's friendship thts falling apart and seema's re-entry in dutta's life...n thn there's this new enemy which wil enter soon 2..so m assuming its a while before baji-madhu's LS kick starts...

Edited by rayjst - 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Yuvika_15

yh i agree the way they approach Baji's LS is pretty weird, its like they start it off n thn it gts lost sumwer in between the other storylines n loses focus... i suppose atm they r focusing mre on tasha's marital problems, duji's friendship thts falling apart and seema's re-entry in dutta's life...n thn there's this new enemy which wil enter soon 2..so m assuming its a while before baji-madhu's LS kick starts...

 

i personally wud hav loved 2 c madhu's character as a strong person, a fighter, someone very very similar 2 dutta... Jessica has portrayed madhu as a strong fighter in her ff, thts hw i wish she wud hav been in the shw bt she seems mre innocent n naive... i mean being DP's daughter n dutta's sis u wud hav thrt she has sum similarities from thm both bt i think she's very different from thm i wish she was like dutta tho....

I think the problem isn't the approach to the story, i.e. whether it should have been emotional or more upbeat, but the planning and organization which went into it, and wasn't concrete enough to hold in place as things proceeded. On the whole as well, this is an area in which the LTL team lacks...their timing in planning tracks (ex. Damodar Patil, elusive Twin-Anna, drunk-slap, etc.) and the pace of executing those benchmarks leaves much to be desired. Of course, the reason behind this is the time constrictions provided by the channel, and the fact that they make decisions as to what track will be dropped, focused on, or altered and how. The flip-flop that happened with Baaji's story too seems to be the result of having to juggle around and accommodate the channel's decisions...just like nowadays, I think even then, they had a lot on their hands in terms of material to explore but just couldn't organize it in a coherent manner within all the limitations (by the channel) and so, some of the arcs ended up looking incomplete (DP's death), others were rushed (drunk-slap) and some were just forgotten (not only Baaji's lovestory but even his presence as a character leading up into the wedding and FR).

@Rayjst: LOL agreed.....there was something about their clashes that despite Roops being a spoilt evil brat, had potential.....it's like they had a spark when together....I guess that's what you call chemistry....lol....


@Fatty: Worddd to the point about these two having HISTORY.....that's what I was trying to say but couldn't say it as clearly.....exactly what I meant when I said I found the evolution believable...cuz they had so much history having known each other for a while.....interactions etc....so to see her evolving from fighting/clashing with him to a more emotional side felt believable to me.....and it wasn't just mindlessly melodramatic to me cuz of the situations that were unfolding at that point like the DP track to me felt credible in assisting her transformation and softening towards Baaji despite some OTT bits in b/w like her hiding in his room behind the curtain or whatever.

Basically as personalities, these two were that ideal contrast to DN like you pointed out.....a childish/immature dynamic which was just starting to evolve on a deeper level so that gave it layers that intrigued me.....again, there was a HISTORY there that helped it all along......which is not the case with Madhu-Baaji.....but anyways, overall speaking, they don't seem to be interested in giving Baaji much scope vis a vis his love story.....so guess we have to live with it *shrugs*

But DITTO DITTO to every point you made here!

[quote=make-believe].with Roops/Baaji, one of the reasons I really liked them together is because of how childish and immature they were together, which is such a stark contrast to DN, who are silent and deep-rooted. It would have made for a good juxtaposition and variation in the story because RB did have it in them to do the bickering-young-love thing well...Madhu/Baaji...they can't do the bickering, playful shtick well, not only because of the way their characters physically look together but also because of how they were introduced to each other and the dynamic they share, which is just not fun and frolicsome 😕 On the other hand, if we talk about the emotional treatment to their scenes...it worked well on Roops/Baaji because they had known each other for a long time, Baaji had almost been an over-seer to her, indulging her for many years, so for them to share such deep and intense moments, such as him having the ability to change her mind from committing suicide, or her comforting him re: Dutta worked because of the development they already had..[/quote]Edited by nureat01 - 13 years ago

Originally posted by: make-believe

I think the problem isn't the approach to the story, i.e. whether it should have been emotional or more upbeat, but the planning and organization which went into it, and wasn't concrete enough to hold in place as things proceeded. On the whole as well, this is an area in which the LTL team lacks...their timing in planning tracks (ex. Damodar Patil, elusive Twin-Anna, drunk-slap, etc.) and the pace of executing those benchmarks leaves much to be desired. Of course, the reason behind this is the time constrictions provided by the channel, and the fact that they make decisions as to what track will be dropped, focused on, or altered and how. The flip-flop that happened with Baaji's story too seems to be the result of having to juggle around and accommodate the channel's decisions...just like nowadays, I think even then, they had a lot on their hands in terms of material to explore but just couldn't organize it in a coherent manner within all the limitations (by the channel) and so, some of the arcs ended up looking incomplete (DP's death), others were rushed (drunk-slap) and some were just forgotten (not only Baaji's lovestory but even his presence as a character leading up into the wedding and FR).

There were a few off-hand comments back when the track with Roops started that Neetu Wadhwa's acting chops weren't found fit enough to be playing the reformed love-interest and this change in the story didn't garner positive feedback, so they looked to other alternatives because of that...I don't know how much truth there is to this possibility, but it seems likely because of how quickly the track was dropped. They suddenly switched gears and brought in a totally positive character as Baaji's love-interest, but again, rather than development of the lovestory, the pair got recycled Baaji/Roops type of scenes that aired in a stray manner, something which only ended up making them look cold and lackluster together. There was and is nothing unique or convincing about Madhu-Baaji...which, IMO, is the biggest pitfall with regards to this couple. They neither have a well-built connection since the start of the show like Roops-Baaji and nor do they bring something new to the table...whether they do emotional scenes or even those that are a little more neutral...there's just nothing to talk of there. Hot and cold would probably be the best way to describe their struggle with Baaji's story...they've been trying to tussle it in there, sometimes more actively, while sometimes totally sidetracking it, and since there are so many other things going on within the show, they just haven't been able to give it good enough a development and presence amongst all the numerous things that need to be shown.

As for the emotional vs. upbeat thing...I don't think it entirely explains why this facet of the story has been falling flat...with Roops/Baaji, one of the reasons I really liked them together is because of how childish and immature they were together, which is such a stark contrast to DN, who are silent and deep-rooted. It would have made for a good juxtaposition and variation in the story because RB did have it in them to do the bickering-young-love thing well...Madhu/Baaji...they can't do the bickering, playful shtick well, not only because of the way their characters physically look together but also because of how they were introduced to each other and the dynamic they share, which is just not fun and frolicsome 😕 On the other hand, if we talk about the emotional treatment to their scenes...it worked well on Roops/Baaji because they had known each other for a long time, Baaji had almost been an over-seer to her, indulging her for many years, so for them to share such deep and intense moments, such as him having the ability to change her mind from committing suicide, or her comforting him re: Dutta worked because of the development they already had...with Madhu/Baaji, it looks artificial, because how many days have they known each other for again? Their emotional scenes don't have the same genuinity and depth because there has been no development to make them look real or touching...

So the emotional thing would have worked well for RB, while they did also have the upbeat, fun feel sprinkled around in good quantity too...better of both the things. With Madhu/Baaji...things are just looking forced and thus failing...they don't get enough screen-time and development for us to buy into and be convinced. And since the writers don't have the time to handle Baaji's lovestory with good focus and treatment right now, why not save it for later after DN get together? Then they can go into it in detail and make it satisfying as well...but now, as they try to stick it in here and there...it's just not working out.

Poor rayjst was trying so hard not to bring the Madhu/Roops comparison into this thread and then that's all I went and did in my post 😆 As Chaskar would say, saaari, saari, saari *kaan pakdos* 😆 😛

Originally posted by: make-believe

 

think of it this way: would you rather have a terribly executed track for him or one that doesn't happen at all and leaves his character untarnished? For me, I know that I'd much rather like it if Baaji's character just went with the flow rather than getting caught up in a forced storyline.At the end of the day, I don't care much about the lovestories or romance, I care about the characters...and if they remain true to their essence, all is well! 😊