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shan2430

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Posted: 14 years ago

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oh boy! What a beautiful analysis of datta and naku's love!It feels as if you have coined the story and developed the characters yourself! Your article makes one realise that datta-naku's love is so real, so intense,so supreme and so rare. Hope the makers of the serial make it stay that way and don't let it succumb to silly human fragilities. Hope they don't let their love turn hollow. Ofcourse naku's love and faith will always stay strong. It is datta's love that can shake up and for obvious reasons.

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: gp00

Arre! Believe it or not, I scan/read when giving you my comment, as I had to drop off our "occasional" housekeeper. 😆 You have no idea---she lets me have it if I cause her to miss her train home. I can't blame her one bit. We have an interesting relationship! 😆 But I have had a chance now to read it the way it should have been.

Adi, we've talked about some of this before, but I'm curious as to whether you think the intentions (or rather, the vision, explanations as you provided) are being fully reflected in the show. For example, the background you provide. Do you feel it is being reflected in what we're seeing onscreen? I mean I understand the limitations: you craft characters, their psyches, their development, their story...and then they are acted out, and edited, and brought to screen.

On a couple of your comments on Dutta: I have not given Dutta's self-esteem much thought, except on a superficial level--that he has some sense of loss of self, that he feels he has become a devil because of how he has lived over the last 10 years. He probably feels that he is an empty human being, with nothing to give, and likely to never get anything that means a lot to him (e.g. love). That is clear in the show. Now, Naku's love for Dutta being like his love for his family is something else you said. Quite frankly, I don't think Dutta loves his family as much as Naku. Yes, they are different types of love, but for some reason, I don't think he is as attached to his family as he is now to Naku. The show may be exploring his family closeness now (with Roops, Leela, e.g.), but I certainly did not feel that came through before in the show.

Yes, we will see his faith, of that I have no doubt, but it may be preceded by some frustration, sense of betrayal. And, it SHOULD. It is human to feel this way, and quite frankly, Dutta is NOT super-human.

By the way, the quote is interesting....it's interesting how each of our perceptions of love are different. Makes for an interesting topic, na? I shall have to post!

Thanks again, and no, you are not rambling. If you were rambling AND NOT saying anything, then it would be a problem. 😆

I have not given Dutta's self-esteem much thought, except on a superficial level--that he has some sense of loss of self, that he feels he has become a devil because of how he has lived over the last 10 years. He probably feels that he is an empty human being, with nothing to give, and likely to never get anything that means a lot to him (e.g. love). That is clear in the show. Now, Naku's love for Dutta being like his love for his family is something else you said. Quite frankly, I don't think Dutta loves his family as much as Naku. Yes, they are different types of love, but for some reason, I don't think he is as attached to his family as he is now to Naku. The show may be exploring his family closeness now (with Roops, Leela, e.g.), but I certainly did not feel that came through before in the show.
Hey Paru! Of course, I do feel that the show is reflecting these feelings – how else would I be able to express it here! 😊
Of course, Dutta's love for his family is very different from his love for Naku and Naku's love for him. But when I meant it as being same, what I meant is that it is "selfless". In the show, they have shown that the one major reason why he chose to become "rich and powerful" as quickly as he did (so, of course with whatever road he had to take to get there) was because he wanted to ensure that his family, especially his sisters, never suffer the curse of being poor and unworthy – the reasons Seema had cited for her betrayal, which shook his entire sense of worth. That was the first reason he cited to Baji, when he asked him to find him jobs to become super-rich and super-powerful. He did this for his FAMILY more than himself – to be able to be in a position to protect them from what he went through. In this bargain, he had to lose a lot of his own peace of mind, as he has again mentioned, by killing innocent people – those scars can never heal and those voices continue to haunt him. Yet, as he did all this, he never EXPECTED anything from them – he did it out of his LOVE for them and would have done it anyway. The show perhaps never entered the dynamics of his relationship with the family in detail earlier as obviously there was so much happening around – but he was always shown to be extremely protective and close to his sisters and his mother. There is no doubt about that. Yes, his closeness to Nakku is now greater than his other relationships because he is in Love and more than that, he knows she is his wife. Isn't it the fact of life that once a man is married, his focus shifts a great deal to his wife – as the husband is supposed to be the first person to stand beside her in any situation – and he will be as committed to this relationship as he is to his other relationships – the degree and intensity may vary, but it does not take away anything from the son that he is or will be in a situation where he has to support his mother or a brother that he is and will be in situations where his sisters would need his undivided attention. Nakusha is the center of his world – because he now realises that she is that other half of him that COMPLETES him. This feeling of having someone COMPLETE you can never match any other relation and yet, it does not mean that you do not feel deeply for your other loved ones. It is his new feeling – so naturally, we are seeing it as a first on the show! 😊

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amor284

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: nazia.icycool
@ adi--hey another thing i would like to share is that dutta was hurt to know that supriya eloped but he was even more hurt on knowing that nakku helped supriya.
it was when he came to know that nakku helped her that he reacted VERY violently..so as u said it was from the beginning that he was attached to her!😊

i have always thought that dutta's realization of love would be gradual and slow..and his love for nakku will always grow..don't know when it will reach the saturation point..will it ever?😛...so i have loved this gradual process of love and process of realization..i don't believe in love at first sight so for me this is the best example to prove that love needs time!😊

he was never forced to love nakku but yes always wanted a push to make him react and come to conclusions..he is a tough guy when it comes to him taking initiatives.

Yea Nazia, actually you are very right 😊 – he was more hurt about Naku than Supriya – if he wanted, he could have found her and Ravi and dealt with them in his own way, but he instead focused all his energy on punishing Nakusha – Like they say, the person who can hurt you the most is the one who you are closest to because you would never expect them to do something to hurt you. I guess it was that for him – he never introspected or analysed what he felt for her, until now because he never saw the need to do it. Now that he has done it, he perhaps knows she was always the one for him! Like we both agree, for a person like him, the realization had to be slow! 😊🤗

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amor284

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: mary78613
Awesome Adi... Completely agree with u...:)
Well i think that Dutta loved Nakku from the beginning but just didn't realise it. He was too dazzled by Supriya's so called beauty to think of Nakku that way... He always had this soft corner for her. He never bothered to evaluate his feelings. When he was ditched by supriya he was more hurt about Nakkus betrayal ( as u pointed out) and married her because of sups letter( in whch she said that no gurl would want u) so as to prove this wrong( also to give nakku punishment) he married her because he thought that since hes such a monster by just marrying hm he will inflict pain upon Nakku...N then he saw the strength of Nakku's love and was shocked by it... The strength of nakku's love made him realize his feelings for her which he has never bothered to analyze...He then realised that she truly loves him..cuz her love was so different from Sups and Seema.. So ya u can say that he was forced to love nakku ( to analyse his feelings for her to be more precise) not because of the circumstances but because of her strength of love for him...

Hey Mary!!! 😊 You have indeed put it across so perfectly - that whole reason for him marrying her and the eventual change. I loved your thoughts about how his whole purpose for marrying her just fell flat with the strength and love she showed! Yes, in a way it brought him to a point where he had to admit that he was attached to her in some way – and then look deep within him to see that the attachment was in reality, love and not hatred. And, it also helped him find the answers to all his doubts about her. 😊

But you said, He was too dazzled by Supriya's so called beauty to think of Nakku that way...

However, I do not think that he was "dazzled" or even smitten by Supriya's beauty! I don't think he liked or 'tried to love' Supriya for her beauty at all! If it were indeed about beauty then he would have been in love with her or passionate towards her right from the beginning. But, it was only through his conversations with Naku that he allowed himself to feel the happiness of having someone in his life and even accept a partner in his life – and by default it was the girl his mother had already chosen for him. Yes, for his family, she was worthy of him because she was "pretty" and "a girl with values", but for Dutta, it was not her beauty that stopped him from feeling his own heart – it was just his "mental block" to love in life. And the moment he did realize he was happy about something, he did credit Nakusha for it, not Supriya.

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TheRager

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Hey Adi...good that I found you here. I loved ur take on Dutta's feelings for Naku...I wasnt so sure earlier but now I am that at some level he always loved Naku...but he's realized its love only.

One question from my end...why exactly did he marry Naku? Was the motive only punishment as in she having a demon of a husband? Or was it at a deeper level an attempt to ensure she is never able to leave him?

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: ADIorb
]However, I do not think that he was "dazzled" or even smitten by Supriya's beauty! I don't think he liked or 'tried to love' Supriya for her beauty at all! If it were indeed about beauty then he would have been in love with her or passionate towards her right from the beginning. But, it was only through his conversations with Naku that he allowed himself to feel the happiness of having someone in his life and even accept a partner in his life – and by default it was the girl his mother had already chosen for him. Yes, for his family, she was worthy of him because she was "pretty" and "a girl with values", but for Dutta, it was not her beauty that stopped him from feeling his own heart – it was just his "mental block" to love in life. And the moment he did realize he was happy about something, he did credit Nakusha for it, not Supriya. [/B]

oh GREAT!!!!!!

SESS WS's!! didn't we thought the same abt this supriya smitten thingy???!!!! great minds think alike!!!

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amor284

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: kshreya2002
Hey Adi...good that I found you here. I loved ur take on Dutta's feelings for Naku...I wasnt so sure earlier but now I am that at some level he always loved Naku...but he's realized its love only.
One question from my end...why exactly did he marry Naku? Was the motive only punishment as in she having a demon of a husband? Or was it at a deeper level an attempt to ensure she is never able to leave him?

Hey Shreya! 😊

I don't think he married her because he did not want her to leave him! He was not even aware of his own feelings back then! Yes, he did want to tie her to him for all the wrong reasons - Nazia has posted the answer in this thread and I couldn't agree more with her! She has said that he was more hurt about being told that Nakusha helped Supriya escaped - because he had trusted Nakusha immensely - in a way he had never trusted anyone for a long time, except those who were anyway witness to the change in him! When he learnt that she had helped Supriya escape - through Supriya's letter that definitely was distasteful, it opened up all his scars that Nakusha's friendship had only nursed, not healed completely! He could not take this betrayal from Nakusha.
I just posted Naz a reply, saying that if he wanted, he could have very well tracked down Supriya and Ravi and dealt with them in his own way, but instead he channeled all his energy in making Nakusha suffer! Because she was definitely closer to him and his mind than Surpriya!
He married her in a fit of rage - because at that moment, all he could assimilate is what Supriya's letter had told him - that he was unworthy of being loved or being married to, he was a demon who deserved no happiness and escaping from such a demon was her biggest blessing in life thanks to Nakusha- his own confidant! To top it all, Nakusha's confession of love only gave him more reason to suspect her "motive" for being involved in that incident! 😊 And, being the impulsive person that he has always been, he decided to tie him to her - to be her husband (read: her master, because he wanted to have the RIGHT to punish her), who would decide how she lived and experience the pain that she thought she was helping Supriya escape. (Of course, she was not involved at all, and that realization is only coming to him now, but back then, Supriya's letter, by default also sounded like what Nakusha really thought of him - because in his eyes, she had helped Supriya escape).

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: Jyoe
@ Adi...YES finally saw that you replied !!!! I was waiting to read your perspective on this interesting topic and could not thank you enough for explaining it so beautifully!

Your posts actually do leave me SPEECHLESS!(honestly, they do!!!) Not for the length😆, but for the beauty of it!!😊

After reading through your post, I can only say one thing... I have now actually 'FELT' the story of LTL from my heart (and my soul..hope I do have one 😆 ) in the true sense!

As I have not followed this story from the beginning and caught up with it only recently, I did have some disconnects at the back of my mind. Till now, I was
i guess only 'viewing' the show as an audience and trying to 'understand'
the story...but now i TRULY FEEL & CONNECTED with the story and can relate with the
characters of D &N. Its like you
have reintroduced me to the characters n the intensity & passion of this story, but this time i
know I have connected with them at a more deeper level and its gonna
live me with forever.

THANK YOU for taking your time out to explain the love of D&N so beautifully and for making me fall( or should i say 'rise') in love with this wonderful love story & the lead characters all over again!! If not for you and all others amazing opinions on this show. I would have been missing the real beauty (mind you, i m not taking about the appearance part at all) & the soul of this show n the story!!!

If you think what you said was rambling, I wanna tell u i have re-read it a couple of times just not to miss out on the hidden beauty n the underlying meaning of each and every single word that been explained by you and every time i re-read it I found something new to cherish n touch my heart. And it was my pleasure reading it all through!

Adi......I bow to you with all my respect and love! Now again, I m speechless!

*Hugs *

Well, you leave me speechless with this! 😊 Thank you so much for the appreciation and love, it motivates me to ponder, digress and ramble even more 🤣

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amor284

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: sai_ram

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Oh my God adi! how could you write it so beautifully.. i have always analyised their relationship and have come up with these reasons only but i could have never been able to put across so beautifully as u did.. kuddos to you adi and thank you very much for explaining it so well.. agar main koshish bhi karti yeh sab likhne ki i would have fallen short of words.. very well done!
<div>*subi bows*👏

Thank you very much Subita! 😊 I would love to read one from you. Please do write. When you have the thought, words automatically come to you. Try it once! 😊

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Originally posted by: ADIorb

Hey Shreya! 😊

I don't think he married her because he did not want her to leave him! He was not even aware of his own feelings back then! Yes, he did want to tie her to him for all the wrong reasons - Nazia has posted the answer in this thread and I couldn't agree more with her! She has said that he was more hurt about being told that Nakusha helped Supriya escaped - because he had trusted Nakusha immensely - in a way he had never trusted anyone for a long time, except those who were anyway witness to the change in him! When he learnt that she had helped Supriya escape - through Supriya's letter that definitely was distasteful, it opened up all his scars that Nakusha's friendship had only nursed, not healed completely! He could not take this betrayal from Nakusha.
I just posted Naz a reply, saying that if he wanted, he could have very well tracked down Supriya and Ravi and dealt with them in his own way, but instead he channeled all his energy in making Nakusha suffer! Because she was definitely closer to him and his mind than Surpriya!
He married her in a fit of rage - because at that moment, all he could assimilate is what Supriya's letter had told him - that he was unworthy of being loved or being married to, he was a demon who deserved no happiness and escaping from such a demon was her biggest blessing in life thanks to Nakusha- his own confidant! To top it all, Nakusha's confession of love only gave him more reason to suspect her "motive" for being involved in that incident! 😊 And, being the impulsive person that he has always been, he decided to tie him to her - to be her husband (read: her master, because he wanted to have the RIGHT to punish her), who would decide how she lived and experience the pain that she thought she was helping Supriya escape. (Of course, she was not involved at all, and that realization is only coming to him now, but back then, Supriya's letter, by default also sounded like what Nakusha really thought of him - because in his eyes, she had helped Supriya escape).

So didnt he believe her confession of love back then? He seemed touched when she first admitted that she loves him...the motive for involvement seemed to strike him a few seconds later. Also later when Kala shows Supriya's new letter to Naku speaking of her great love he was again torn between believing Naku was involved and what he experienced with Naku in the jungle. So wasnt the fact that she was fall over the cliff to a possuble death enough proof for him of her love? What motive she could have back then to sit with him in the car while it fell off the cliff? Also it looked to me that Anna's well directed movie made him realize that she is in big trouble and she has faith that he will come and save her. He didnt want to betray that faith and ofcourse his love when he went to save her. But why did he hesitate between the time Kala spoke to him and he saw Anna's film?

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