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Posted: 15 years ago
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Those who know of my posts know I have been watching another Zee TV/ Ekta Kapoor serial with my husband. I don't always understand the premise of the serail but there was an end of a chapter, sort of, in the serial and the leads divorced. I watched the last few days of the serial in one sitting today leading to the divorce and its aftermath and was amazed at how story-wise, directorially and melodramatically it was handled. There was an emotional closure to the event that brought tears to my eyes even when I did not mean to get emotional about a serial I haven't invested in as I did in CB.
(Bee, thanks for the heads up. - I watched in between chores and got pulled in.)
What is an emotional closure? It is an end of a difficult chapter in our lives and how we handle it and move forward in life. It is generally explained in psychological terms to sort of close the book when ending a relationship, grieving the death of a dear one or any such difficult situation.
In CB there were many situations in recent months when there was such a need to revisit the past to resolve the situation. For example, the truth of the first wedding was revealed in a flash and the story was followed by silliness to introduce the next track. Dev's "death" was another lost opportunity to explore other characters' emotions and create melodrama. Shaantanu's entry and exit too were wasted opportunities. All I saw were loads of silly scenes with police and Mahantji, Amma and Vishakha scenes, in place of exploring Dev and Radhika's relationship with each other and PF/SF after the revelation and more silliness with RPship.
If CB Creatives feel they need to capture the audience that is left behind and bring back the audience that left, they need to look around and see why the show that my husband and I watch is working and always on the top!
I would recommend the forum to check out the last 5 episodes of the other show and they will learn so much about emotional closures, situational melodrama and when melodrama is considered appropriate!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Gardes,
Absolutely true. Can not agree to it more. This was a show that I refused to watch sometime back because I did not approve of some of the things that the story writer chooses deals with. I still do not and have my disagreements. But there is a reason why this show is No.1 on the charts. Story wise the writers have done excellent work developing the all characters. When something deserves good, it need to be said. Tears were welling up my eyes when I watched the last episode. I never knew you will have such feelings after watching it.

Those who are interested I wrote in a very minimalistic fashion in a thread https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/pavitra-rishta/1409823/excellent-camerawork-in-4th-june-10-episode.

I am fully aware that we are not supposed to compare other shows. But there is no harm in learning something good from other sources. Like we have always said, if they want to copy from movie, copy the good parts leaving the pathetic part.

Coming to CB, there was not a single storyline after the fire incident, including the fire incident that I could say, yes, this part I agree. Everything , the fire, the gendhwa phool, the thakshak raj gufa, the kund snan, the vishaka madness, the Goa Feni, the Shantanu introduction, the Malaysia HM, the ONS, the 1st marriage truth, the punishment thereafter, the mob attack at VR, the reintroduction of shantanu with vaishali's reaction, shantanu's revenge and his end and the current exile from PB, are all where everything is a mockery in every department starting from story, screenplay, dialogues, direction, acting and editing. I who loved this show once am left embarrassed now. I feel its a slap on my intelligence. What a shame and I feel really really bad about it.

Now as to why I am still watching the show, it is bcos I wish good for this show and want it to be the good/beautiful show once it was. Writing negative about a show does not mean I am against the show, but it only goes to show the concern for the show to whomever who can read this and fix the issues. I am here waiting for it to happen.


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Thanks, Bee. How beautifully expressed!
Like you and many others, we have an emotional investment in the CB story. I could not care what the actors look like. That does not move the story forward for me. You are so right about the slap to our intelligence by the Creatives!
I had missed the soaps all week for one reason or another and watched all them today and was so struck by the difference. The other serial has developed all the characters well and just because there is a divorce, the show is not stuck in a rut. Immediately, the other track that got put on the back burner, came to the forefront and I look forward to next week.
In CB, the story revolves around the 2 main leads and the Creatives mistakenly thought that the chemistry will keep the audience. The show got stuck in a rut during the time of the second wedding and never got out of it. The uniqueness disappeared. The same old characters act the same old way without events bringing about the change in them.
The other serial brought about a change in one negative character that the mixture of negative and positive in the character had me laughing through the tears! That was impressive to me! A positive character has turned negative and will cause problems but there will be enough room to bring that character around!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Gardes and bee I agree to both of ur points.

I can guess which show u both r talking about as my mom also watches it and so am updated with it. Personally I do not agree to the storyline of it and also did not agree to the reason of their divorce and so don't watch it, but yes One thing is for sure that there is a bigger cast involved in it and all the characters are so involved in both their own personal story and also the main leads.

Whenever watch that show, I don't feel that they have missed out a loop here or there, the episode looks very well sealed with all the units right from the story writing, screenplay, editing, sound recording, etc being taken care of.

The earlier episodes of CB were like this itself but now from the burning episode it has gone haywire.

I would really appreciate your hard work gardes and bee5 if you both could simply pen down these points to the production house of CB through a letter as you definitely have an edge in your writing.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Gardes,

Beautiful post, very well thought out and very well written, as usual. 👏
I actually missed this post as had not been on the Forum for a few days, and this got pushed back to Page 2.
Actually, Gardes, you have expressed all what I, and I'm sure, most of our fellow viewers have been feeling.
This lack of emotional closure, as you call it, (or the denouement), is what is meant by tying all loose ends together and making a perfect story. Any storyline should have it, as otherwise it will not be successful.
For how long can RaDev's chemistry and love story support the serial? For how long will we viewers sit back patiently and wait until the Creatives get their act together? Not forever, for sure, and especially when we have such an array of choices.
After I came back from almost a 2 month break, I was amazed to see the 7.30 pm slot being targeted aggressively by so many channels and wrote a post on it also. Still these Creatives have not learnt their lesson.
Every promising track goes down in the dumps and every rubbish copycat story is being tried in the name of the TRPs game.
Now although I am still dedicated to CB, being my first love, I too have moved on to another show at the same time, and skip between the 2 shows.
I feel so sad and disappointed to see what is happening to my beloved CB, but have decided not to be so emotional about it and go ahead with my life.
😔 😭
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Gardes very good post and I agree with what you, Bee and the others have written.

I know what show you are talking about. I do sometimes watch this show, although I don't agree with some of the stuff that is shown but what attracts me is the characterisation, good screenplay, very good dialgoues and the consistency of the characters and the tracks. None of the tracks seem that they have been suddenly dumped in the storyline. Infact they gradually and slowly introduced in the plot, so although that track might not get the prominence for some time but it is there at the back of the viewers mind, so when that track is shown viewers accept it. All the secondary characters are extremely well etched out and have their own personal stories so the creatives have something to fall back on when the main track between the leads have finished. So they alternate between the track consisting of the main leads and the secondary characters and thus maintain the continuity. Even if one of the characters change from positive to negative or vice versa, the change is done gradually and reasons are also shown by the characters themselves, so the viweres are able to relate to it. The main leads are also constant in their characterisation. I think slowly they are bringing in change in one of the leads or they might do it for both of them. The other thing regarding that story is that most of the characters are grey and that is why the creatives have the freedom to generate new tracks without compromising with the characterisation.

I have mentioned this loads of times that drama is fictionalised version of real life and screenplay determines the different steps in this journey. So whatever happens in real life should be shown in the screenplay otherwise audience will not be able to connect with it.......they might for sometime but then their concentration and attention will waver and move away. Without a tight screenplay and characterisation no drama can last for long. Having good actors do make a difference but they need to have some material to work with. The actors also need some sort of stimulation regarding their work otherwise they also start loosing interest and lethargy sets in.

Since screenplay is fictionalised account, it needs to show real emotions and as you have said closure of those emotions when a track finishes. Thats how human beings react and since the characters are also human beings they should also show the same emotions. In Shantanus track, when he was intoduced as a son who was given up by the mother for superstition, they should have shown strong emotional conflict between the family members. This is what happens in real life. When children who have been adopted out of the family return to the birth family the entire family dynamics of the birth family changes and so does their relationships with each other. None of this was explored and it all became honky dory. As a result majority of the viewers could not relate with this track. At least I could not. CB creatives have a habit of suddenly changing characters nature without any reason shown behind this action. And we all know about the condition of their screenplay, lack of dialogues, no consistency of story, hardly any input from the drector and editor. In drame not all characters are needed to be present at the same place at the same time. The screenplay should decide who is going to be present and who not. Just because one actor is very good in emoting does not mean that he or she have to be dragged in every second episode. I think you know whom I am talikng about...its amma. She has no reason to be present in the episodes, but is dragged in and that makes the tracks illogical.

The only good thing that has come out if this track is the growth in Radhikas character. This is a welcomed growth and I like it, but again they could have shown this using the other secondary characters and didn't have to bring a new character for this. I have mentioned this in my post. Since the creatives think that playing with characterisation is the only way to take the story forward they have started even giving weird dialogues to this strong Radhika which again clashes with her character.

Anyway I can go on and on.......I think I should stop now. I would also like to mention that when I am critising a track, plot or someones acting it does not mean that I am having a go at them. Since I am taking time out of my daily life and finding time to write about it shows that I care and thats why I am writing. I want them to do better and thats why I am writing. If I did not care then I would not have commented and would have just ignored them.

When I visit other forums and sometimes see people discussing about CB it makes me very sad and dejected. I would have defended CB but now do not have anything on which I can base my defence. Other people ask me why I watch CB and again I do not have any reasons anymore.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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The show you are talking about, I refused to watch it cause I am not a fan of ekta serials. They start off beautifully & then the characters seem to separate, get married somewhere else, come back to their old partners, etc. I personally do not agree with all that. Saying that I ve watched the past few episodes mainly cause of one character. I love the MIL acting, she can be rude but loving. She is an awesome actress. One can also relate to the mothers feelings. But the rest.....

I was attracted to cb simply cause it did not have all this melodrama. I agree in recent times the cv's have made a mess but am sitting here hoping they will bring back the old magic to the show.

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Gardes,
Just saw this thread and I know which serial you are talking about. I don't watch the show, but I know the story and I know the actress playing MIL is very good. I don't watch it because I don't like the story of main characters as well as some side characters. But, I agree that they have stories for side characters where they interact with main actors but also have independent storylines. CB lacks that a lot, that's why it is faltering.
I think there were emotional closures in CB last year, but my observation is that a year or so, most of the shows lose that because they want to suddenly cash in their success. Last year, there was more of a straight line story. I remember during the jal samadhi scene, when Radhika and Dev come back to rescue her father, Shastriji is happy to see her because he wanted to see her before dying and also wanted to apologize to her for not standing up to the society for her rights and allowing the discrimination in his home. Afterwards, they show that Dev influences people to not discriminate against Radhika in the temple and so on. So, they were showing these characters as more multidimensional than they are showing today. Even though Vivek and Dadi were silent spectators when Radhika was kicked out, they had at least conversations where they expressed remorse and felt ashamed to meet with Radhika.
Since the varmala episode, the story just lost its continuity and the characters started becoming inconsistent. To me, Radhika's character was inconsistent even during the varmala ceremony. Yes, she became traumatized and so on, but they had always shown her to stand up to even Amma in a silent and dignified manner when it came to her father's position or it harmed Dev. So, even though she knew that both of them would be humiliated with this action of Amma, she didn't stand up and the reason was the creatives' desire to prop up Vishaka at Radhika's expense. As Misti mentioned yesterday that Shantanu was not needed for any of the storylines and they could have still preceded without his entry, they could have kept Radhika strong at that point keeping Vishaka positive. They could have easily shown that Radhika is initially shocked and traumatized (hence her portrayal of abused victim), but she gathers strength from her devotion and due to her love for Dev and concern for her father's reputation. She then refuses to let Amma snatch away her rights, Amma calls Vishaka for help and Vishaka sides with Radhika and in fact chases away Amma. That both they could have been faithful to Radhika's character as well as kept Vishaka positive as they were doing for that track. So, they could have shown that Amma decides to then burn Radhika and was unsuccessful. But, for burning track they destroyed the main theme of the story - that of Radhika being protected by Kanha.
We all like the growth in Radhika's character in the show this year (that's the only positive thing in last 6 months in the show), but they never used any of the side characters. A lot of stories should have been wrapped up first before letting Shantanu enter the storyline. Then, they made a mess of that storyline so badly again for short-term increase in TRPs. There was no outrage expressed by Dev and Dadi and no sympathy for Shantanu was ever expressed. There was no conflict between Vaishali and Dev.
Now with the new track, they can still go back and close some of the loose ends (Amma is the biggest one) and give viewers' that emotional closure. They can still make the new track more interesting, but they have already started it with an inconsistent base where the family is kicked out and shown to be penniless with the loss of RP. So, not sure how much logic they will bring in with this kind of base. I think they are counting on the fact that the repetition of the earlier storyine with role reversal for Radhika and Dev and introduction of another girl wil do the trick. But, the creatives are highly mistaken if they believe that this alone would bring back the audience.
As far as I am concerned, I still watch it with the hope that the subsequent track would be more logical and get back to that old beautiful story. I only watch one other show (that too off and on), but I don't write in that forum and nor do I think about theepisode beyond what they show. Since this is the only show where I expressed my view, I keep on participating in the hopes that the show ends beautifully rather than get dragged and finally gets cancelled.
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Another problem with the serial is that they have painted their main characters in a corner. Since, Dev and Radhika have eternal love for each other, suddenly they started showing that Dev and Radhika have no difference of opinion. I can understand them not misunderstanding each other, but the difference of opinion is not impacted by eternal love. For example, they showed that Radhika finally got over her unnecessary sense of obligation and responsibility towards Vishaka in Goa after finding out how Vishaka tried to break her marriage. That episode was nice, but it was not enough.
Dev apologized to Radhika for not realizing that Radhika does things for others. That was not the point. He was right to apologize for that, but the fact remained that Radhika brought Vishaka - a person hated by everyone in her family to a house that is shared jointly with other people. Dev and Radhika's confrontation should have been that she was allowed to help her sister, but not at the expense of his family. Also, Dev could have confronted Radhika by stating that she was wrong in hiding things from him and should have asked him for help. Then, eventually they could have shown Radhika realizing that Vishaka would never change and she uses Radhika all the time. But, since it was Friday and they wanted Vishaka's baby accident, they crammed the episode where Radhika was suddenly great and not shown to be wrong.
Similarly, for the first wedding truth where Dev forgives Radhika in an instant because he realizes that she did it to save her and his family's reputation. Again, that was not the point. The point was that Radhika participated in a wrongdoing by pushing him into a intolerable relationship knowing fully well that the other person was a fraud. But, there was no closure or satisfaction for viewers where they could show this growth in Radhika.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Gardes, what can I say except that I agree with you 100%.

I haven't been on the forum much lately and I haven't watched quite a few episodes from the last two weeks. The reason being exactly what you have mentioned in your post. Lack of closure! That makes viewers dissatisfied. A lot of us have stood by this show even when the creatives showed stuff that opposed our beliefs and our values. And when they don't do justice to a track or bring justifiable closure to a track or character we feel betrayed and used by the creatives.

I have always loved Radhika. There were tons of stuff she has done that I find despicable in my real life. Yet, I have stood by her because her character called out to my deep rooted sense of humanity. And that ME, did not watch last weeks episodes when Radhika was probably at the peak of her emotional strength. And its all because of what the creatives have done to the show with their lack of closure and insensitive treatment of characters and stories.

I cannot say much about the other show that you mentioned except that I have heard a lot from friends and family members how nicely the secondary characters are dealt with. Yet, I cannot bring myself to watch the show so I will absolutely take your word for it.

I figured from a post by a forum member radhika5, that the creatives are hoping to bring back the magic that was once in CB. I am almost afraid to hope again. But then I am always optimistic and so will continue to hope that the sun will shine again in CB land. :)

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