Kissing and Nudity in Hindi Films - Page 8

@Karan:

Originally posted by: angie.4u

a case of reel copying the real or the real copying the reel life ? 😆

Reel comes from Real, right? 😉

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

This reminded me of an interesting thing I read a few months ago while going through a fascinating click through expedition on Wikipedia.

It is not illegal for women to walk topless in public in most US states. In the seventies a woman won a case in NY claiming that 'all chests are created equal'. Hence either everyone has the right to roam topless or that everyone should be mandated to cover their chest. No one takes advantage of the law because of the taboo attached. However, one reporter decided to test the legal standing in Central Park by sunbathing topless. She got a lot of dirty looks and eventually an officer approached her to question. She was let go no tickets, no arrests because what she did was not illegal at all.

Yes I remember reading somewhere in your post. May be thats what prompted me to say almost and not none :P. So how many places allow people walking around in birth suits?

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

@Karan:

Change and development/growth are different things.

Take for example an orange seed. The seed germinates and there is a plant ... so does the orange seed change its reality?... NO ... it just grows ... and then oneday a tree comes ... and its gives fruit! IS THAT FRUIT A MANGO?... No ... its Orange. That is nature.... Although the seed turned into a tree ... but it did not alter its basic reality ... it grew stronger and more fuller ... more meaningful.

In the same way ... the cultures are to grow ... and so will morality. Just like through the Roman Empire or the Harems of the Sultanats ... we have grown out into a more civilised way when it comes to man and woman relationships ... marriages ... etc (Read: Fall of th Roman Empire - GIBBON, its described there very nicely).

Why husband wife kissing offends people? ... Well if its in public, it does. Because its carnal in nature, and others are not. And this is a code of conduct ... something we have developed (and YES ... accepted)... and this you may not like - but many do ... and surely will. Because, as I said before ... atleast I personally have deep faith in this development of a better civilisation with greater promotion of modesty, moderation and kindly behavior. YOU MAY NOT AGREE - I said before - I am not here to change anyones view or force mine.

In your orange seed example, you forget about "evolution".That orange wasnt orange lots of years ago and it wont be orange after lots of years ago. Things evolve and change.

Somethings evolve faster and somethings evolve slowly. Similarly cultures evolve and morality evolves too. No one can claim to have achieved the perfect morality. Claiming to have found the perfect moral solution is as delusional as saying that oranges will look same till eternity.

@Carnal nature: There is a separation between love and sex. Its clear that kissing doesn't mean that two people are having sex. If seeing 2 innocent people kissing makes some people offended and if it evokes carnal desire in them then the problem of getting offended is with the ones who are watching. Just like if looking at someone else evokes carnal desire then the person being watched is not to be blamed if the watcher gets offended.

I do not agree that even evolution changed the purpose and reality of the fruit which we have named Orange. The purpose and reality of this fruit will remain same through all the diversifications ... as long as its life remains.

@Ice-Thinker I never said that you are wrong in holding your beliefs. We are just looking more deeply in what we believe.

I wanted to tell you in the beginning that there are three things - beliefs, logic and evidence. All are necessary to arrive to the truth - some say that truth is God. No one has seen the truth, but life is a journey towards the truth.

So having beliefs is not wrong, but we are free to question them.

Anyway I need to log off now. Will be back later. Cya.

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

@Emptiness:

I think I have mentioned before in a post... I am not here to change anyones opinion - or force anyone to obey me.

Never did I say : This is what Emptiness must believe from now on!!! 🤢

This is what should be the thought of the IF DM members from here on wards!!!

Its my opinion, my perspective. You are free not to like it and present your own views...I will read with respect ... and present anything further if I like to add....or just pay my attention somewhere else. I am capable of doing that without much problems..

As per Indian culture not being same in all the states ... I have mentioned that too. Therefore, mainstream cinema should be more moderate, catering to the likes of all its people ... this is my opinion.

I never said you were forcing your opinions, I'm only challenging them.

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

... back to kissing.. I do discourage public kissing or expression of intimate love. I did say that this is what I FEEL ... it makes sure that I am not forcing you to bow infront of my comment and then say "AS YOU SAY MASTA!!!"... No, I am not looking for that reaction.... therefore, any comments saying that "you cannot make them...." is void. Because I am not trying to make anyone do anything.... But just giving my cons.

Holding hands in public is marginally acceptable I feel. Because then there are people who one would not like to offend (the elderly perhaps). There is a beauty in such kinds of moderation.

Kissing in public is strange I feel... what is the need to DISPLAY? ... I never could understand. It sometimes makes some surrounding people uncomfortable, offended ... and it does not carry moderation with it. Moderation in all of ones action is beautiful.

Such rigid morality creates sexually repressed societies, India is a fine example. I don't see why couples kissing should offend anyone?, it's their matter, if they wish to show affection to each other in public then so be it, they are not kissing you, so what's there to be offended about?, there is no rationale behind being against it.

And how do we define moderation?, personally, I would find your definition of "moderation" to be quite extreme. If people get offended over trivial matters like holding hands or kissing in public, then society needs to change for the better, people need to become more open minded, tolerant and respectful.

@Emptiness:

Films are suppose to mirror reality, you need to be bold enough to adapt to the character your portraying, thats what actors get paid for and thats what actor would do. I havent Kites and the promos dont encourage me much to watch it either, kissing and nudity dont sell films, its the story that sells. If the story is promising and touching with Kissing and nudity then it would be a hit, but if the story is all about showing flesh and lip-locking then it would be a flop...So tell me, was Kites a flop?

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

@Emptiness:

Your views about moderation sound quite extreme to me.

However, nudity or kissing is not a trivial matter...when in public... I guess I already explained my stance about public places vs. private spaces.

Can you give a rational explanation as to why you find kissing in public offensive/uncomfortable?, in what way does it affect you?, financially, emotionally, psychologically, physiologically, spiritually???, if you are uncomfortable kissing in public, that's perfectly understandble, but why should others be prevented?, and how does it harm society apart from just saying it so?

Open minded views are often derided by close-minded individuals.