Female Archetypes: Goddess or doormat?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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This is in response to Simone's quote from Picasso:

Picasso was right when he said -
"There are only two types of women, goddesses and doormats"


A friend of mine did her PhD research on female archetypes and created her own list of them in transpersonal psychology terms- like mother divine, princess, queen, earth mother etc. For myself, I would like to create a list for Choti Bahu based on women found in Indian texts both historical and literary (including epics like Ramayana and Mahabharatha).

Devi: Mother Divine. She is Mahishasura Mardhini. She can do what no MAN can get done. According to the Devi Mahatmyam the gods plead to Brahma to find a solution to the problems created by Mahishasur on planet Earth. As he can be destroyed by no MAN, the solution lies in a Woman. Hence the concentrated essence of all Gods are put together to create Devi. She is more powerful than the western Amazon archetype- closer to Mother Goddess. She can be Kali (scary and fearsome) and Chandi and Durga (beautiful and compassionate) and Bala (young and childlike) all at the same time.

CB: No Devi character in CB.

Sita: Princess and Beloved of her husband. The original character in Valmiki is watered down in the Tulasidas version, post islamic invasion (clingier and weepier). Valmiki's Sita is a very self-sufficient, intelligent, know-my-own-mind kinda girl (She fights physically with Ravana when he snatches her from Chitrakoot- no Lakshman Rekha in Valmiki- keeps her head and throws down her jewelry as clue to her whereabouts). She loves her husband and demands the same from him. It is not surprising that Rama decides to have just ONE wife (though the kshatriya custom allowed him multiple wives)😊. She would have had it no other way! Soorpanakha stood no chance! In return she would uphold her part of the marriage by being there for her husband every part of the way- and be totally feminine in the process. She has no problems getting her husband to do the macho thing of fighting for her etc. Totally comfortable being a woman through a through- no bra burning feminist stunts for our Sita, purely feminine.

Misunderstood for her willingness to take the "virginity test" or Agni pariksha- on the contrary, that very act defines her power of being self sufficient. "Want to burn me? Guess what? I cannot be burnt, but hey you will lose me and miss me buddy, as I am beyond doubt!"

CB: Some glimpses of this archetype in Radhika. Lacks clarity in character development. Totally feminine that attracts the likes of Dev and Keshav to fall for her and earning her own champs like her father, Vivek and Birju. Even Purab has a grudging respect for her.

Draupadi: Fiery woman. She is born of the fire! Quick to temper. Could handle and manage 5 husbands. Equivalent to the Queen archetype in the West. Dignified and even her enemies cannot but "fall" for her (Duryodhana and Karna wanted her as much did the Pandava brothers). She knows her allure value as does she her intelligence and beauty. Even Lord Krishna claims her as his dear friend and sis.

CB: Few streaks of her in Vishakha. But lacks her royal dignity- too pedestrian with illusions of grandeur. Draupadi will never titillate, she would allure men to their death. Dadima is more the queen. She keeps her dignity at all times and all bow down to her in the end.

Savitri: Ultimate wife looking after her husband's welfare. She is a princess in her own right but gives it all up for her husband (an ousted prince). Trades with the god of death himself to get her husband back. live. Wily, actually asking those boons of a hundred sons!!😃

CB: Radhika does the vrat (vows and fasts) and ashes a la Savitri but lacks her wit. Allusions to this archetype in the Vat Savitri vrat. The other bahu- Arjun's wife, is yet another dim witted Savitri.

Radha: Love personified. She exists in folklore but finds no mention in classical literature. Popular myth connects her with the "keeper of Krishna's flute". She is the trustee of pure love and devotion. Her name Ra-Dha inverted is Dha-Ra meaning spring. One who gets us to return to our source- the divine within.

CB: Elementally, Radhika's character and name comes from this archetype. However, our Rads is fraught with doubt and tries to play the game of love in the materialistic world of mitya, little realizing that love is but an experience and brings only joy to all as it has a way of pouring forth and rising people's spirits, not making them miserable. rads minus doubt will be this archetype. Dev, on the other hand portrays this archetype better!😆 Every other character actually greet each other with radhe radhe!! unfortunately, without knowing the essence of pure love.

Meera: Devotee-wife. She is a historical character. She was a minor princess and married to a Rana, vassal king. Self-certified as a "deevani"- crazy in love with her Giridhar and belives to be wed to her divine Beloved rather than a mortal human. She is emboldened by her divine love that she walks out of her palace and chooses to live her life of a nomad singing the praises of her lord and letting Him provide for her. it is said that the erstwhile emperor of India, Akbar himself came incognito to meet her and here her sing.

CB: Radhika actually compares herself to this character when talking to her mother, saying she will be a Meera being devoted to her "Krishna"= DEV from afar- Dah! If future track in the storyline supports Rads leaving the confines of the Prohit House, maybe she will discover the true Meera in her- who stood in bliss while swinging the jhoola during phool bangla.She needs to open her mouth and start singing- the aarti from the earlier episodes and stop lying. Maybe that will be the "making" of our Radhika. Vaishai is a Meera in her own way. She can certainly relate with that and she was totally devoted to her husband.

Manthra: Original Sakuni, the trouble maker. She sows seeds of distrust and disharmony in the minds of people- she gets the credit for moving the story of Rama forward, single handedly.

CB: All kudos to Mrinalini. Hopefully her seeds to foment trouble will help move the script of CB forward...


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Posted: 16 years ago
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An excellent piece, blokes. I truly love your writing, it brings in an amazing perspective to these characters.

A few thoughts came to mind when reading it:

- Radhika somehow seems to only live for others, she has no self needs (even today she didnt want the juice, but when Dadi said have it not for yourself but everyone else, she had it at once, I thought it was strange), so to speak and her only need that she fought for is Dev and to be close to him. Would she have done so if she not married to him? She was in love with him, but what if Vishaka had gotten married to Dev, would she do any of the things she is doing now?

- I am also curious to see what sparks the fire in Radhika for her to say enough is enough, I am hoping the current development is the one, but what would push her to finally say NO MORE...

- To me Radhika is a strange combination of Radha and Meera. She is a lost soul, even when she is in the same house as Dev, she is close to him but yet far. She worships Dev and she loves him but cannot show it. At the moment, her responsibility as a sister has overtaken her being a wife, but to a large extent it is due to external factors (Devki, Amma and Vishaka). I would love for her to get a bit of Savitri in her, it would be a treat to watch.

I am eagerly awaiting for the day when Radhika shows the full extent of her love for Dev, it would be an amazing sight. However, the creatives are bent on putting us viewers through an agni-pariksha as well to see if we are really CB-Bhakts before taking us to the chosen scene 😆

awesome post, keep on going girl!
Edited by deefan - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@ Blokes: I don't know much about Hindu religion but as i read ur comparison between all those characters & CB characters , totally agree with u..
The way u have described the characters & then the comparision is too good..👍🏼 loved it...

@Dee: do u think Rads will stand up for herself someday... I really hope aisa ho..
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: deefan

<br><br>- Radhika somehow seems to only live for others, she has no self needs (even today she didnt want the juice, but when Dadi said have it not for yourself but everyone else, she had it at once, I thought it was strange), so to speak and her only need that she fought for is Dev and to be close to him. Would she have done so if she not married to him? She was in love with him, but what if Vishaka had gotten married to Dev, would she do any of the things she is doing now?<br><br>- I am also curious to see what sparks the fire in Radhika for her to say enough is enough, I am hoping the current development is the one, but what would push her to finally say NO MORE...<br><br>- To me Radhika is a strange combination of Radha and Meera. She is a lost soul, even when she is in the same house as Dev, she is close to him but yet far. She worships Dev and she loves him but cannot show it. At the moment, her responsibility as a sister has overtaken her being a wife, but to a large extent it is due to external factors (Devki, Amma and Vishaka). I would love for her to get a bit of Savitri in her, it would be a treat to watch.<br><br>I am eagerly awaiting for the day when Radhika shows the full extent of her love for Dev, it would be an amazing sight. However, the creatives are bent on putting us viewers through an agni-pariksha as well to see if we are really CB-Bhakts before taking us to the chosen scene 😆<br><br>awesome post, keep on going girl!<br>



Deefan- ineresting observation- rads "living for others". True- hard to imagine in today's ultra modern urban living where we need to be our own defenders and existentialists! We love ourselves and avoid the complications of loving others!LOL!
I think, Radhika will say No! on the day she realizes how Vishaka becomes totally corrupted by mrinalini and becomes "unfit" to be dev's wife! Crossing my fingers there!
Before the "wedding" rads did show promise of being a wise girl- even substituing for her father to do some pooja etc.- capable and intelligent. wise, giving needed advice when sought for- figuring out a way to wearing the sindoor without harming anyone's values etc. These days she has become "soft" in the head. I think dev said it clearly today- u do not need anyone, right?!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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WOW! Thanks for such a brilliant post! 👏
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Posted: 16 years ago
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blokes: I agree to a large extent, we do love selfishly, we do think of ourself even when in love. Radhika's is more a sense of resposibility than love, or maybe she hasn't seen what love is till she met Dev, that too the husband-wife kind of love, she has a smile everytime he shows his love for her, I love that! To me she feels the weight of responsibility more than love, it is a strange burden to bear but not uncommon even today..

khakshan-aa: My hope is to see her stand up one day, the way she stood up to Mrinalini. I want her to stand up, I hope the creatives take her in that direction....it will be a while though realistically..
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Blokes beautiful writing
I have become very interested in Dev's character. Yesterday, he used his title for the first time. But he used his position in society so that he could do what Rad asked of him. Today when Vivek asked him who he was he said, just Dev. At that point he again became the person Radhika needed him to be. Dev is a lost soul. Before his magnificient larger than life love for Radhika, there was not too much else. He appears listless and a little disconnected. But because of his love, he seems to be trying on different personas, perhaps at the end finding the one that fits
Rad on the other hand is pretty much true to her idea of duty. We can argue that it is selfish, but she largely will take any degradation in the name of an inner code of conduct and belief in God. More than Dev she deserves the name Purohit. But lately she is more and more a shell. These last 2 days she is pitiful. Barely able to utter sound, her degradation indeed makes her seem more ethereal and disconnected. It is strange to watch. As Dev is becoming more impassioned because he sees her degradation, she is disappearing and seems will soon leave the house. Dev has found voice and purpose because of Rad. Rad does not have that same need. I think she is who she is morre than he is.
Perhaps this is the arc these characters have to take. Notice Devki is also disappearing, sitting silently and quiet. I think Dev will get bolder and do anything to be near Radhika. As he said he loves her more than himself. But he needs her to define himself. I think Rad will move towards degradation until finally she will have to speak up.
Maybe it will be when Dev is punished for his boldness bu society and he starts to give up. Then she will have to rise.
Painful watching...interesting talking :)
Edited by jpalagrawal - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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lol 😆
way to go gurl !!!
I loved ur post too!!! such a clear psychology. I never had the idea dat our mythical actually portray the characteristics found in today's Indian women!!!!!!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks all. Regarding Dev's character- will do a piece on male archetypes a la Jung soon and compare them with the archetypes found in the ramayana and mahabharatha.

pretty woman- r u kidding me? all those "characters" have always been the social archetypes subconsciously imbued by Indian women and men! Men want wives to be a combination of Sita and Draupadi and neither!

I forgot to add Tara (first widow remarriage in the ramayana) to my list of archetypes- she is a very interesting archetype.
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yup!!! u got it!!! I was kidding!!!! 😆

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