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Posted: 9 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: -Mano-


Exactly
That's why it's debated till now
That makes Ram more human
He had his misjudgment,mistakes
That's why he isn't purely white

Like the writer of the show said
If Valmuki wanted he could have avoided showing
Agnipariksha or Abandonment or Vali Vadh
That would have made Ram 100% perfect and purely white
But he did write it
That gives a grey shade or say different color to Ram
Ram isn't purely white

Though they give different reasoning for his actions
But still wrong is wrong

100% Agreed!
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Posted: 9 years ago
#42
I would be back tomorrow morning to read further opinions
@shruti di I would love to see the show from women's point of veiw.
I am a feminist as well ;)
I want to see every women strong enough
If not by words then by deeds
Edited by RisingPhoenix - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: -Mano-

That's the beauty of our system

U can question even God if he is wrong
Gods did get cursed by humans
If God wanted to remain God and not to be criticized
Then why would he be born as a human on earth

People around us say many things
But we can't change our stand for it
By giving into peoples gossips,Ram set an bad example

So does that mean following that
I should give more importance to people in society than my dear ones
Just bcos they are my responsibility

These epics are made for us
So we have the right to criticize it if we find something wrong
be it treta yuga or dwapara yuga or the present day
Epics are still followed,read,Portrayed,discussed
Then why not criticized

It's just my take

I am not saying ur wrong but I am not wrong either

I totally agree with you.
We have the right to question and criticize something if we have an issue with that particular thing.
I dont guess that By doing this we will make an harm to the reputation of the epic.
The epic is an epic because poeple believe it and follow the same poeple can criticize a particukar portion of the epic if it dosent seem right to you.

I agree an epic written in treta yug or Dwaparyug can be criticize because none of us were present there to see what happened.
So our curiosity maybe can get us some answers.

Some actions are ought of the questionable
Maybe some of ram actions were questionable because even after bieng an incarnation he lived an human life and Humans do make faulty judgements!
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Posted: 9 years ago
#44
One can never understand n justify a mythological story just by thinking its just a story ...
Everything written metaphorically...

They r full of hidden secrets ... One just can't analyse n justify them ...

I'll just give u an example... so draupadi had five husbands ...that's what we know ...
Even though we HV lot of background stories for it...but sometimes its really difficult to accept...


But if want to understand the secret n real meaning behind it... ...Then its something related to our own body...5pandavs equal to panch indriyan... N paanchali is none other than parashakti...
So it means to see Adishakti... One should hv control over panch indriyans...one should HV supreme control over his special senses to see ultimate supreme power ...

Same way even vali story has a in deapth meaning...

If u analyse mythos with lokik drishtikon... One can never be able to understand them...

That's why maharishi valmiki n maharishi vyas r so great...
They wrote whole yoga gyaan in stories...with lot of morals one just need to analyse it that way...

I'm not saying Ramayana n Mahabharata didn't happen... But they r not some ordinary incidents they hv lot of secrets in it...

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Posted: 9 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: .MysticalWaters

I totally agree with you.
We have the right to question and criticize something if we have an issue with that particular thing.
I dont guess that By doing this we will make an harm to the reputation of the epic.
The epic is an epic because poeple believe it and follow the same poeple can criticize a particukar portion of the epic if it dosent seem right to you.

I agree an epic written in treta yug or Dwaparyug can be criticize because none of us were present there to see what happened.
So our curiosity maybe can get us some answers.

Some actions are ought of the questionable
Maybe some of ram actions were questionable because even after bieng an incarnation he lived an human life and Humans do make faulty judgements!


Right
Why would we even care if it doesn't matter to us
It's our epic it matters to us
We value it
It our cultural asset
That's why we r spending time here discussing it,
Sharing our thoughts
Discussions nd criticisms are always good
Until its's inside the boundary of decency
And we know very well to maintain it😃
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Posted: 9 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Panoramic

One can never understand n justify a mythological story just by thinking its just a story ...
Everything written metaphorically...

They r full of hidden secrets ... One just can't analyse n justify them ...

I'll just give u an example... so draupadi had five husbands ...that's what we know ...
Even though we HV lot of background stories for it...but sometimes its really difficult to accept...


But if want to understand the secret n real meaning behind it... ...Then its something related to our own body...5pandavs equal to panch indriyan... N paanchali is none other than parashakti...
So it means to see Adishakti... One should hv control over panch indriyans...one should HV supreme control over his special senses to see ultimate supreme power ...

Same way even vali story has a in deapth meaning...

If u analyse mythos with lokik drishtikon... One can never be able to understand them...

That's why maharishi valmiki n maharishi vyas r so great...
They wrote whole yoga gyaan in stories...with lot of morals one just need to analyse it that way...

I'm not saying Ramayana n Mahabharata didn't happen... But they r not some ordinary incidents they hv lot of secrets in it...


Agreed
It has in-depth meaning
It has reasoning too
But accepting that reasoning and decisions depends upon every individual
If the reasoning satisfy's me I agree
If I am not convinced I disagree
I am open enough to see the reasoning
The day I am convinced
I will agree😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: -Mano-


Agreed
It has in-depth meaning
It has reasoning too
But accepting that reasoning and decisions depends upon every individual
If the reasoning satisfy's me I agree
If I am not convinced I disagree
I am open enough to see the reasoning
The day I am convinced
I will agree😊



But do you think ul find in depth meaning watching this show??!
Ifu want convincing answers u urself HV to read it... Again n again...

Vyas valmiki KO samajhna is not very easy... It takes yrs together...

What TV shows show is just story with their own masala... Lol

For convincing answers one has to find answers on their own ...no offense just my opinion... Just critiscing n questioning epics will not give u answers...
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Posted: 9 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: Panoramic



But do you think ul find in depth meaning watching this show??!
Ifu want convincing answers u urself HV to read it... Again n again...

Vyas valmiki KO samajhna is not very easy... It takes yrs together...

What TV shows show is just story with their own masala... Lol

For convincing answers one has to find answers on their own ...no offense just my opinion... Just critiscing n questioning epics will not give u answers...


Offcourse I love reading Mytho works
Have read before too
But I like watching it as a show too
And enjoying it

Everyone can't be reading it for years
That's why such shows are made
So that it reaches masses

If u say so ,no two literature works are same in itself
But some major portions remains same


If we aren't ready to accept changes incorporated to accommodate to small screens
Better way is mot to watch it
I am ready for the changes
So I am watching


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Posted: 9 years ago
#49
Ramayana has 2 other names. Poulatsya vadha n sitacharitam(sitayascharitam mahat -- the great story of siya) and these names were given by valmiki himself. And this aspect has been well discussed.

Sita is shown as very strong in many places. Most striking is when she taunts rama n says "I didn't know my father married me to a woman!!!'. When he asks her to stay back in ayodhya n not come to forest.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#50
Thank you everyone for making this an interesting discussion. I have gone through all your comments and due to time restraint cannot reply to each and every one of you. Will still put my summarized thought on all the discussions
Every incarnation of Lord Vishnu had teaching in it and the teachings the Lord wants to give out through Ram and Krishna stands out because we as humans can relate more to it. And someone put it Ramayana and Mahabharata has lot of mystism into it and we should not take the literal meaning of it. It is said that Krishna's Leela's should not be repeated unless you are able to understand why he did what he did. Same is the case with Ram. There was a reason Ram did what he did and the betterment of the present generation is in understanding why he did what he did correctly.
I personally see Sita as a very strong woman. Sita had a free thought and she argues with Ram on Patni Dharma and makes him agree to the fact that she will accompany him to jungle. Sita is a woman who refuses to go with Hanuman at night, because she thinks her honor and her husband's honor lies in the fact he rescues her fighting the man who abducted her. She was not a pushover. Even after abandonment Sita does the duty of a mother and Queen by raising the sons well. She never bad mouths Ram and her love for him is eternal. And Ram's love for Sita is also eternal that irrespective of the pressures put on him to remarry Ram remains steadfast in his loyalty towards his wife. The separation not only pains her, it pains him too equally.
But why I put this post is because there are many common perceptions, including that in my family that being Sita meaning being mute. Tolerating every rubbish thrown at her. I have seen movies, teleserials where abused and subjudicated leading ladies compared with Sita. And I want that perception to change.
I would round of this post by telling Indian Vedic culture was always about balance. Everything in the universe was there, because it was needed. In everything there was good and bad. Humans were given intelligence to differentiate between good and bad. Make the right choices on what to preserve, what to destroy. That's why knowledge, wealth and power is associated with woman. And a man is told to acquire the Purusharth or rather Dharm, arth, kama, moksha. In other words for the benefit of the world the right man has to be associated with the right woman. Ram was born to kill Ravan and Sita was the means through which he was supposed to complete that purpose on life. In most of our stories we can see this. Sita is Shakthi to Ram and Kali for Ravan.
And Ravan as a man is shown disrespecting the Shakthi he has and that is Mandodari. The woman who is accorded Panch kanya status and abode of great virtue.
So every principle of Vedic culture was created for balance in nature and excess of anything created imbalance. Mostly avatars happened to correct this imbalance and restore the balance once again.
Another beauty of Vedic culture is that Lord Vishnu's greatest devotee belongs to Asura clan( Prahalad) his greatest follower or sevak is a monkey or animal ( Hanuman) and his greatest friend a warrior, a Kshatriya Prince( Arjun) . It shows God doesn't differentiate the Bhakti Bhav, its we humans without intrapreting the learnings correctly bring the difference or boundaries.
And shows like Siya Ke Ram should give the message so as an individual we strive to create the balance for the betterment of society at large.
By the way I am seeing lot of my old friends in this forum, Shanti, Idea virus, verita so happy to see you all here and others who commented I hope to have a healthy discussion and debate with you on the epic we all love
And I have a rule. You can disagree, dissent with my POV or anyone else's POV in my threads. But I request everyone not to bash anyone for their POV. It hurts me, even if someone else's POV is bashed in my thread. 😃
Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago

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