CVs wake up and see the reality

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Posted: 10 years ago
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For long the CVs and us too, have been believing the myth that there are two sections of viewers - the TRP viewers, the ones we so derisively call the TRP aunties, and the "thinking" viewers - the ones which flock the forums and critically evaluate their work.
The views and opinions of the online viewers have been taken with a pinch of salt, as the PHs have felt that while they do give a kind of feedback, the real moolah comes from the TRP aunty and hence these views can be disregarded.

The TRP aunties have always been assumed to be brain dead and non thinking and will accept any trash, infact the trashier the better.

They revel in return from the dead, doosri shadis, scheming saas and plotting bahu, and the kitchen politics.

But two experiences have actually busted that myth, one is of the show EMA, where when the ek Muthi aasman changed to ek balti kachra, the entire online viewership rejected it, demanded a change.

The PH went ahead with what they thought appeals to the TRP aunties, fired the lead actress and brought it another, but couldn't salvage the show, the TRPs tanked now it's curtains for EMA.

Second is of course the example of our beloved show Saraswatichandra. For a long long time we have been complaining about the story, or rather a lack of it and how the show which was supposed to be about the deep divine love that Saras and Kumud share, has been about anything but that.

We have been talking very negatively about the repeated track of Saras and Kumud getting embroiled in doosri teesri shadi, after pramaad, we had kusum, then jugnu, then Prashant then Arti... In the name of showing their love, all we have been getting is them inspite of being married, sometimes forcibly, other times willingly, entering into a second marriage, and pulling out at the last minute.

While the first time it happened, - Kumud married pramaad - refused to divorce pramaad - we cried for them, second time it happened - Kumud forced Saras to marry kusum - we ranted and showed our anger.

Third time we were annoyed, fourth time we were sarcastic with Prashant, fifth time we just ridiculed it, now we just don't care, with Arti part of me was saying, go on Saras, marry her, this will end all this natak of your and Kumud's pyaar for good.

We know that if the show continues we will only get a repeat of Saras and Kumud ki almost shadis, and have already become very blas about it.

I think all our cribs were not taken very seriously by the PH and CH, because they seemed to believe that the TRP aunties love this and want to see only all this trash.

And now that the so called TRP aunties have also rejected this track and there aren't any takers for it, the show is ending.

Goes to prove that there aren't two sections of viewers, that will viewers want the same thing. And that is a good story that sticks to the basics and does not deviate from the original.

That each show attracts a certain viewer base and they hate it when what they were promised is diluted and the story is abandoned for the sake of cheap TRP tricks.

The truth of the matter is that each show attracts it's viewer base based on its USP and while the viewership of off beat stories like Saraswatichandra may not ever equal SNS, or other saas bahu shows, it is a significantly large and it is loyal and passionate about the show.

It is also quite committed and will stick by the show till the end, provided the show sticks to its core principles till the end

By trying to make it another rehash of a saas bahu show the makers have lost this viewership, and have not attracted the saas bahu viewers who are very happy with SNS thank you.

And so another potentially great show meets a shoddy end, because the makers refused to Understand their viewers, refused to read and act upon the feedback that we have been giving, assuming that since we are not TRP audience, our feedback doesn't reflect the mass base.

Now I hope the channel and production houses realise that all viewers want the same thing, that there is no distinction between TRP and non TRP viewers, that if a feedback is coming repeatedly, it reflects the entire viewer base.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Arshi ... 🤗



Beautifully Said ... Word Perfect !! 👏👏


I do not have even one word to add ... except that hopefully some of them read it and try to understand it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Arshicsji, valid and sensible arguments put forth by you. Yes, not only the cvs, the makers and especially the authorities at the helm of the network must wake up to reality and work towards the 'change'. But no, the indian tv's achievement is it works day in and day out to maintain the tag of 'idiot box' it once received. TV has today a wider reach than possibly any other medium and unfortunately it exerts a strong negative influence on the society with its objectionable and dismissive content. The approach is apathetic and regressive and the motives are purely profit oriented. TV shows are trp-driven, not content-driven and nothing positive will come out of the whole awful business
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However I still believe there is a fine line between trp audience and discerning viewers (taking into account the long running stereotypes). My prime complaint and concern is the notorious trp system. This fundamental premise itself is erroneous and imprecise. The whole system that determines the fate of tv shows is hugely flawed. The data available and the methodology by which it is evaluated is not credible, genuine or transparent. Trp is based on only a small urban sample of several 1000 homes spread all over india. Hence I doubt as to how could this small sample truly represent the taste of the whole of india. Also there is a possibility that the rating agency and the channels may meddle with the trp facts in their favour (all my own hypotheses; don't know much). So the system to assess the viewership is baseless and unfair and imo the so-called trp aunties form a limited viewer base in reality. Imo the popularity of the show is not related to or proportional to the ratings it receives. For instance SC's initial phase was immensely popular and even boasted a huge loyal fan base for the leads, but the trps only showed very average ratings. In fact some senseless tracks have brought high trps. If the entire system is revamped and made precise we may get the clear-cut and real picture. Then the reverse might be the case.

If we focus on the target viewership of these shows as you said they are mostly middle or old aged women who are considered to be indiscriminate and are largely addicted to the crap and cliched content served. The sample (trp) group is very small which may comprise majority of these 'aunties' and a negligible portion of 'thinking' audience (considering the long running serials). But they too have rejected shows like SC since they have better options even in this hackneyed format, more exciting ones with attention to detail handled in a better way. SC's execution from London track is half-baked and has been in shambles. When SC was at its peak in standard it's huge loyal fans were not part of the trp viewer base. In a nutshell the ill-founded and defective trp system is the biggest enemy of quality shows. Due to this the long running serials still flourish; offbeat shows fail; CH, PH and cvs revel in cliche. Yudh was one fine instance. It had its own flaws, but it had offbeat theme and execution, high technicalities and production values and wonderful ensemble cast. It got only lukewarm response. Mr bachhan's genius act went unnoticed because tv viewers are only accustomed to histrionics and animated expressions. ZGH was lapped up by indian audience, but never brought in huge trps and revenue.

W.r.t to SC as you rightly said the makers completely disregarded our feedback and made subjective judgements about the trp viewers and chose the easy road, the downhill road. But they rejected it due to the gloriously stupid tracks and inept handling of the leads. They too root for the USP of the show and expect the treatment of the plot to be compelling and plausible to a reasonable degree. They didn't even find little credence among the characters, hence the drastic decline in numbers. And a potentially promising show with talented leads has reached this position of inferiority at the hands of current cvs. We agree that these shows are produced in a competitive, commercial environment but whoever said that creativity and commerce can't go hand in hand. TV audience today is matured and ready to accept fresh and innovative concepts. For that the CH & PH must use their initiative, resourcefulness and vision and the creatives their imagination, commonsense and capability.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: twila

Arshi ... 🤗



Beautifully Said ... Word Perfect !! 👏👏


I do not have even one word to add ... except that hopefully some of them read it and try to understand it.


I hope so too Twila, for this show started with SLB's dream of completing 5000 episodes, yet it will not be able to reach 500 even.

And no one but the current crop ofCVs are responsible for that.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Arshi,
Great post.

There still is a section of viewers that likes a particular kind of stuff.

Remember SC offscreen video where they said whenever Kumud cries at the hands of Pramad, TRPs went up or remained high. That is why they stretched Pramad track that long. He was getting them TRPs. SLB team didn't get decent trps in the beginning.

But there was some tightness in the script and some semblance to the original.

But later whatever was shown was loosely written. Very loosely. Even TRP aunties don't like it. Everyone went clueless. Hope the Ph and the writers of those tracks learnt their lesson.






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Originally posted by: lal04

Arshicsji, valid and sensible arguments put forth by you. Yes, not only the cvs, the makers and especially the authorities at the helm of the network must wake up to reality and work towards the 'change'. But no, the indian tv's achievement is it works day in and day out to maintain the tag of 'idiot box' it once received. TV has today a wider reach than possibly any other medium and unfortunately it exerts a strong negative influence on the society with its objectionable and dismissive content. The approach is apathetic and regressive and the motives are purely profit oriented. TV shows are trp-driven, not content-driven and nothing positive will come out of the whole awful business

.
However I still believe there is a fine line between trp audience and discerning viewers (taking into account the long running stereotypes). My prime complaint and concern is the notorious trp system. This fundamental premise itself is erroneous and imprecise. The whole system that determines the fate of tv shows is hugely flawed. The data available and the methodology by which it is evaluated is not credible, genuine or transparent. Trp is based on only a small urban sample of several 1000 homes spread all over india. Hence I doubt as to how could this small sample truly represent the taste of the whole of india. Also there is a possibility that the rating agency and the channels may meddle with the trp facts in their favour (all my own hypotheses; don't know much). So the system to assess the viewership is baseless and unfair and imo the so-called trp aunties form a limited viewer base in reality. Imo the popularity of the show is not related to or proportional to the ratings it receives. For instance SC's initial phase was immensely popular and even boasted a huge loyal fan base for the leads, but the trps only showed very average ratings. In fact some senseless tracks have brought high trps. If the entire system is revamped and made precise we may get the clear-cut and real picture. Then the reverse might be the case.

If we focus on the target viewership of these shows as you said they are mostly middle or old aged women who are considered to be indiscriminate and are largely addicted to the crap and cliched content served. The sample (trp) group is very small which may comprise majority of these 'aunties' and a negligible portion of 'thinking' audience (considering the long running serials). But they too have rejected shows like SC since they have better options even in this hackneyed format, more exciting ones with attention to detail handled in a better way. SC's execution from London track is half-baked and has been in shambles. When SC was at its peak in standard it's huge loyal fans were not part of the trp viewer base. In a nutshell the ill-founded and defective trp system is the biggest enemy of quality shows. Due to this the long running serials still flourish; offbeat shows fail; CH, PH and cvs revel in cliche. Yudh was one fine instance. It had its own flaws, but it had offbeat theme and execution, high technicalities and production values and wonderful ensemble cast. It got only lukewarm response. Mr bachhan's genius act went unnoticed because tv viewers are only accustomed to histrionics and animated expressions. ZGH was lapped up by indian audience, but never brought in huge trps and revenue.

W.r.t to SC as you rightly said the makers completely disregarded our feedback and made subjective judgements about the trp viewers and chose the easy road, the downhill road. But they rejected it due to the gloriously stupid tracks and inept handling of the leads. They too root for the USP of the show and expect the treatment of the plot to be compelling and plausible to a reasonable degree. They didn't even find little credence among the characters, hence the drastic decline in numbers. And a potentially promising show with talented leads has reached this position of inferiority at the hands of current cvs. We agree that these shows are produced in a competitive, commercial environment but whoever said that creativity and commerce can't go hand in hand. TV audience today is matured and ready to accept fresh and innovative concepts. For that the CH & PH must use their initiative, resourcefulness and vision and the creatives their imagination, commonsense and capability.


Well written Lal04, the whole TRP premise is based on a flawed system and I remember in the early days Hgg had given a very detailed analysis of how the system works. The reality is that all viewers want the same thing.

My point is that the typical masala seeking viewer would not really be a SC fan. They would be watching their usual saas bahu soaps.

The ones who were fans of SC were those who were attracted by its promise of a different story, and they are disappointed by the cvs failure to deliver the same.

It does not matter whether these viewers are YOUTUBE viewers, or TV viewers on india or abroad, or TRP contributors or non contributors, they all wanted the same thing and that's why they tuned into sc day after day.

The viewership is getting differentiated now and while yudh may have got a tepid response, times have changed, and we will see more and more shows catering to niche audience and if the channels continue rehash everything to the same mould, the shows will fold up prematurely.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Arshi,

Great post.

There still is a section of viewers that likes a particular kind of stuff.

Remember SC offscreen video where they said whenever Kumud cries at the hands of Pramad, TRPs went up or remained high. That is why they stretched Pramad track that long. He was getting them TRPs. SLB team didn't get decent trps in the beginning.

But there was some tightness in the script and some semblance to the original.

But later whatever was shown was loosely written. Very loosely. Even TRP aunties don't like it. Everyone went clueless. Hope the Ph and the writers of those tracks learnt their lesson.



Santhi, end of the day we all look for drama, when Saras and Kumud are together we want romance and chemistry with pramaad we wanted to see a suffering Kumud and Saras helping her out of it, we may not have liked it, but those pramaad days were emotionally very impactful and gave us a lot of food for thought and points to discuss.

But these things must all ride on a good storyline. That is the backbone of a show. Yes, the viewers do want it a little OTT, and more melodramatic, which may not appeal to those seeking subtlety, but one thing that all viewers look for is a good story well told. Lose that and you will loose the attention of all our watchers. This is the problem with the show now. They have no story to tell anymore,
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Posted: 10 years ago
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jis thara hum gidgidaye the show ko end karne ke liye ussi thara Cheevees bhi gidgidaye ek show ke liye after SC.😡 Cheevees tarse trp ke liye aur return me usse sirf babaji ka thullu hi mile. Cheeveees roye par usse koi show na mile.😡 Ye ek bebas, besahara, loyal viewer ki baddua hai.



Edit: My only aakhri khwaish, Cheevees iss post aur yaha ke comments ko pade.



PS: Thank you so much Arshi di for opening this thread and allowing me to vent out my frustration for one last time.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyo_loveurlife

jis thara hum gidgidaye the show ko end karne ke liye ussi thara Cheevees bhi gidgidaye ek show ke liye after SC.😡 Cheevees tarse trp ke liye aur return me usse sirf babaji ka thullu hi mile. Cheeveees roye par usse koi show na mile.😡 Ye ek bebas, besahara, loyal viewer ki baddua hai.



Edit: My only aakhri khwaish, Cheevees iss post aur yaha ke comments ko pade.



PS: Thank you so much Arshi di for opening this thread and allowing me to vent out my frustration for one last time.


Good one, Jyo.

I am repeating mera-wala baddua from Arshi's Goliyon ki Rasleela thread...


" I hope they get a TRP of ZERO for their next show..." 🤔
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Arshi dii u r too good nd ya it is 100% currect kash someone read ths and apply in d shw bt all is over nw our shw is ending :(((

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