Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 24
Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai - 06 Aug 2025 EDT
Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai - 07 Aug 2025 EDT
SHIFTING BACK 6.8
GRUHA🏠PRAVESH 7.8
Dharma..what a downfall!!
Janaabe Aali - War 2 - Hrithik Jr NTR Dance Face Off
Anupamaa 06 Aug 2025 Written Update & Daily Discussions Thread
What if (Fun Post)
She Ijj Bekkkkk?
War 2 shows in New Zealand removed due to ZERO bookings on 1st Day
Dil Se or Kuch Kuch Hota Hai?
Which mihir you prefer
Legacy and Longing: Inspiring Leaders/Heroes You Want to See Back!
What went wrong with Dhadak 2 in context with Anti-Nepo Supporters?
will kareena ever win natiinal award?
That's an interesting point about 'only adaptations'... Do people really need/only need prior knowledge to make them 'discerning'... Isn't discernment 'cultivated' thus in the course of a project? Or even once a project is actively 'renounced'? We may not always come into it with expectations, but overtime expectations are forged...
And would 'viewer intelligence' count for nothing here, make no dent in TRP model? Point to be noted also is that there is no prescribed, authenticated guideline for the TRP viewer/mass viewer model... Via personal or vicarious experience, aspects are being slotted and catergorized into making different 'theoretical' towers... Some bricks may not align in even the most stable (or touted to be anyway) towers. But may give the appearance of...
P.S. These are questions more designed to contemplate Santhi ji, even while we watch show or telly in general... So please don't think I'm bombarding you with question marks... And also allow for the fact that SC is my first desi show and I do not have any prior experience to fall back on... So I would defer to your experience, but I'm learning slowly and quite eagerly so đł
Originally posted by: pasumarthisa
Oh I agree on what you said. When using the word 'TRP model' I was refering to the unsaid definition of the term that we tend to think that some channels use(think). You are so right. Its much deeper than I know. I am too naive and dont know the subject well to pass a comment.
Arshi... Finally got around to sharing something I wanted to since last Sunday, but to no avail with CB padlocked and other distractions... Specifically saved it for weekend CB because this is the sort of extra-curricular exposition that does not align with either the current content or grammar of SC but is rather overarching over the entire fabric. But first, a...
Disclaimer: This is pure mind food. However, if it offends on any level or registers disfavorably on any reader's sensitivity meter than please before pressing 'Report' PM me or Arshi ji. I am amenable to discussions. And Arshi ji, as all are aware, is more than eminently fair. Getting CB padlocked is not and never will be the answer. So please don't resort to that, again.I mentioned about my dinner at the immediate superior's last Sunday... Now Sir is a Gujrati hailing from Ahmedabad. He started his career in radio, moved up to newspapers, television and then heard a calling in law, working and living all around the world in the process. What sets him apart especially is that even though at fifty-seven he is an 'old-school' traditional lawyer, he is perhaps the only 'boss' who treats us who do more than dabble in the field of 'new media' with genuine consideration, rather than merely a fascinating and at times exasperating curiosity. He was also a part of the panel who initially recruited us for internships while we were doing our post-graduate because the company wanted to to explore and navigate the mindfields of a hitherto untapped demographic... The social media generation. So we're a necessary evil in an otherwise blue-chip firmly orthodox conglomerate, who have still difficulty gulping down the simple fact that we'd rather go attend 'cutting-edge' lectures as part of 'office-work' and turn in film festival ticket stubs to account for legitimate work expenses. It's always fun to explain that to the Finance department... đ But of course, every alternate week or so, they manage to trap us into attending a deposition, mediating and resolutions etc and thus we become proper 'lawyers' in their eyes, at least till we hand in the next expense file, or confess to our latest misdemeanors... Case in point, a few superiors almost blew a gasket, Monday, when I discussed the highlight of my recent work trip, which was a friendly meeting and talk with a wanted fugitive and a somewhat cult hero/villan in the intellectual copyright scene. The fact that they were 'tainted by however distant association' đSo, the point of the elaboration above was to firmly signify that in this corporate culture, this man is respected and regarded both sides of the line... Previously in homeland, he was my superior a few ranks removed but for the last month, was directly overseeing my work product and he was a pretty awesome boss with a wryly positive disposition. His way of welcoming me into the 'cousin-branch' was to walk into my office the very first morning and drop a handful of university lecture brochures, and film festival/theatre programs he knew someone with my 'anti-establishment leanings' will be keen on pursuing =)And since I knew his family since the intership days, they extended an invitation to dinner on my last day and therein I got to know his Mother who had recently moved in permanently with them. I was quite intrigued to be honest, to meet the Lady whom Sir described as his 'backbone and motivating figure in life'... Imagine my shock thus when I was ushered in to meet a dignified lady of about seventy-five plus, thoroughly relishing an episode of SNS (aka Gopi Vahu show)... Out of deference and more likely stupefaction after being jolted by electric ice, I sat through an amazingly exruciating twenty-plus minutes of what close-captioning was so considerate to inform me, was realised only through the marvellous pen of SC's current co-scribe... Let me just say as a currently irregular viewer of SC, never since 3idiots has 'dhokla' sounded so dangerous. In the hands, ermm pen of Mr. H, the delectable food item's terrifying other possibilities has been scarily realised. There's a trend noticeable of starting Sherlock-like investigations into the inadequacies of edibles... Dood mein paani zyaada hai, so calling all pados ladies and thus commences a brutal court-martial of the dood-wala reducing him to tears... And the co-female lead (the actual dood-mein-paani culprit) instead of draining milk into the sink, disposes of it in the wastebasket instead, ripe for being confronted with the incontrovertible evidence of her crime by Gopi Vahu. Khoon se nahin, dood se rang-e huye thhe Rashi ke haath đ...You know, I can just see Kumudsundari's future if Gumaan really comes back. Wars can be won and lost even in the kitchen with the mirch, masala and jeera that goes into the dhoklaAnyways, the above summary was of an epi Sir later made me watch terming it 'one of his favourites' with a decidedly wicked glint in his eye... The epi that I watched with his 'Ba' barely registered because I was too stunned at witnessing a 'TRP aunty' in action first-hand... In academic terms, a demographic wondered about, a theoretical subject had come to life most unexpectedly and I could only sit and stare. And commit all details to memory filed for later use as building blocks for an in-progress identikit. By the time the epi ended, I had firmly and presumptuously slotted 'Ba' as a primordial breed of 'TRP-aunty' and when SC was announced as airing next, I was starting to get my bearings and was curiously anxious to see how much glee SC will be recieved with. As a one-time ardent SC viewer, out of an unexplainable sense of loyalty, a tiny part of me wanted her to enjoy SC more. Hamara show SNS se kam thodi hai đ To my genuine surprise however, Ba determinedly turned the television off and directed her full attention on me... I thought she was being hospitable and gestured that she could continue seeing. And with her response she shattered all my identikits and left me feeling quite stupid, chastising myself.As Sir, Masi and Ba took turns patiently explaining to me (I suspect Sir had made them aware of my perennial student approach to life, beforehand)... Ba being a gujrati, and a high-school teacher of english and hindi literature in her prime years, has read SC the novel (which is mandatory in school curriculum) too many times to count. She has taught it and set exams for students on it. She can even today recite passages verbatim in pure Sanskrit... Listening to her do so is an undescribable experience... Took me back to the CB's where smrth Bhai used to quote passages from the source. And allow me a boast, friends, she generously let me hold and thumb through her personal copy of the source (all volumes)... One of the first editions, printed... That has been in her family ever since she was a girl. And for someone whose heartstrings were tugged solely on the force of an 'affective' narration, to be confronted with the 'tangible' manifestation of that' force', I was reminded very effectively once again what Saraswatichandra is, what it stands for... The reverence it commands and the magic it still holds for a certain generation.So it goes to reason that Ba is entirely and justifiably displeased with SC. In her words, the source was a khaan that could be mined for values, and wisdom-gems, but what, if anything, will the current generation take-away from the show? What damage would it do to the legacy of the source and most especially to the character of Kumudsundari. This was interesting, I thought, if the source had put readers at odds with the character of Saras, the show in turn was reconciling audiences to Saras and putting Kumud in the firing line, a character that was much beloved of connoisseurs of source such as Ba who now proffer the harshest of critiques. Almost as though the wheel is turning and character Saras is finally getting 'his due', Sir offered. Of course I wisely did not divulge that I have been writing 'essays' on SC but instead attributed my interest to my gentleman's moving narration only... And curiosity as to how our Indian counterparts have been faring, adapting with the source.BUT, there was still the troubling question of SNS, how could Ba watch that with so much enjoyment, without judgement and discrimination, whilst SC goes through the third-degree and is not bestowed with even a 'watch'... To this the exceptionally alert and erudite septuagenarian replied:Because SNS is meant to be watched that way, only. There's no expectation, save entertainment. But SC comes with history, with emotions and with a legacy. From the very first airing, it had to live up to, a very formidable and established canon. SC cannot be watched for entertainment, because to do so kills little by little the essence and the hold of it. Very soon, the original impact will be obliterated and all people will remember SC by is another 'SNS with a barely distinctive twist'... The channel has so many shows on their roster that caters for all palates, they have so many shows the same... Couldn't they have left this 'different' one, as is. As a 'guru' it pains me most when I think of current generation deprived of what all the source has to offer, and what the show is showing them in the name of SC... What they are callous and calculative enough to call 'Saraswatichandra' is not Saraswatichandra... I don't even know what it is... But it is very hurtful to the memory of Tripathi ji and the entire Gujrat community - local or international.Driving home and during my flight back that night... I kept going back to the astute statements she had made. It still boggles my mind that someone would opt for SNS over SC... But the undeniable logic of Ba's reasoning makes clear sense. SC always stood apart, and now it is being brutally conformed to fit into the pre-established SP canon. Also, I was pleasantly shocked and a bit self-mortified to encounter a discerning viewer in some one I had firmly discounted as a 'TRP aunty'... And I wonder how many 'viewers' are out there who match the profile of 'Ba'... Who are TRP aunty's in one prime-slot and discerning viewers in the next... Refusing to take the drivel SP dishes out, and using the remote as a 'tool' of their better judgement and established 'standards'... And it also left me resolved not to dismiss 'TRP aunty's' anymore... One size does not fit all, as for me, Ba has proved. What makes them TRP aunty's and what shakes them from that 'passive stupor'... The distinct self-motivations, and the 'triggers' and 'tipping points'... They are worthy of further study and this whole 'stereotype', for me, has been shaken up quite a bit post this encounter. The dominant 'pool' most likely is still made up of the 'subjects' that validate the stereotype's existence, but the niche and off-shoot breeds of 'TRP aunty's'... I would humbly submit, are rather fascinating and merit further investigation/dialogue with anecdotes such as the above a most helpful tool in this line of study into audience choice and reception.
I don't know but I am getting a feeling that kumud will get to know abt kusum's feeling and then ask Saraa to sacrifice his love and marry her sister then it is going to be crap really
BUT, there was still the troubling question of SNS, how could Ba watch that with so much enjoyment, without judgement and discrimination, whilst SC goes through the third-degree and is not bestowed with even a 'watch'... To this the exceptionally alert and erudite septuagenarian replied:Because SNS is meant to be watched that way, only. There's no expectation, save entertainment. But SC comes with history, with emotions and with a legacy. From the very first airing, it had to live up to, a very formidable and established canon. SC cannot be watched for entertainment, because to do so kills little by little the essence and the hold of it. Very soon, the original impact will be obliterated and all people will remember SC by is another 'SNS with a barely distinctive twist'... The channel has so many shows on their roster that caters for all palates, they have so many shows the same... Couldn't they have left this 'different' one, as is. As a 'guru' it pains me most when I think of current generation deprived of what all the source has to offer, and what the show is showing them in the name of SC... What they are callous and calculative enough to call 'Saraswatichandra' is not Saraswatichandra... I don't even know what it is... But it is very hurtful to the memory of Tripathi ji and the entire Gujrat community - local or international.Driving home and during my flight back that night... I kept going back to the astute statements she had made. It still boggles my mind that someone would opt for SNS over SC... But the undeniable logic of Ba's reasoning makes clear sense. SC always stood apart, and now it is being brutally conformed to fit into the pre-established SP canon. Also, I was pleasantly shocked and a bit self-mortified to encounter a discerning viewer in some one I had firmly discounted as a 'TRP aunty'... And I wonder how many 'viewers' are out there who match the profile of 'Ba'... Who are TRP aunty's in one prime-slot and discerning viewers in the next... Refusing to take the drivel SP dishes out, and using the remote as a 'tool' of their better judgement and established 'standards'... And it also left me resolved not to dismiss 'TRP aunty's' anymore... One size does not fit all, as for me, Ba has proved. What makes them TRP aunty's and what shakes them from that 'passive stupor'... The distinct self-motivations, and the 'triggers' and 'tipping points'... They are worthy of further study and this whole 'stereotype', for me, has been shaken up quite a bit post this encounter. The dominant 'pool' most likely is still made up of the 'subjects' that validate the stereotype's existence, but the niche and off-shoot breeds of 'TRP aunty's'... I would humbly submit, are rather fascinating and merit further investigation/dialogue with anecdotes such as the above a most helpful tool in this line of study into audience choice and reception.
Originally posted by: tryforceful
Ivy!! So, uhm, this brings back some memories from the conversation with my grandma. She in fact champions Kumud and *hates* Saras. What a role reversal in the telly adaptation. You know, Hollywood does it best when it comes to adapting bounteous literary works like LOTR, Game of Thrones...and to an extent, To kill a Mockingbird, Silence of the lambs to name a few. Talking about myself, I am an obsessive compulsive person when it comes to collecting trivia, like memorizing character names, analyzing etymologies and the like. Books allow and invite the audience to form their own personalized mental images of the story they're immersed in. But there's no room for personal reinterpretation of physical aspects in a movie/telly show. That's one of the reasons why many hardcore Potterheads hate the idea of watching the stage show like adaptation of HP movies. Now, it's easy to understand where the disappointment comes from for those who place a book so dear to their heart only to get a lousy dumbed down version as an adaptation. Heck, how could they call it as one when all they did was steal the character names?
Great post Ivy jiđ
Parineeti
Hindi TV Shows
Bigg Boss 19
Kumkum Bhagya
