DOTW - Easy Song Vs Tough Song - Page 2

Originally posted by: Amritavarshini

It it true that a simple song sung well is better than a tough song sung badly. But having said that, it is important in a competition to show how well one can sing difficult songs. It is like the diving competition in the Olympics. A diver can make a simple dive and land perfectly without splashing a whole lot of water, and another diver might attempt a very difficult dive and not have the same finish, but there ia a factor given for difficulty and that is taken into account while giving marks.
For eg. Level of difficulty say is a 5 on a 1 to 10 scale
and again on a 1 to 10 scale you have the quality of singing. If a person sang a song with difficulty factor 5 perfectly, they get a 50, while if a person sang a song with difficulty factor 8 and sang it so-so, getting a 7 on the singing ability, they still get a 56.
That is precisely why Vaishali and Sagar got out.
I have judged many music competitions and that is how I give marks. But if a singer attempts a very very difficult song and murders it, he/she gets 10 * 0 and that had happened in a competition that I have judged also!

This way of evaluation will be always under dispute. Someone who has been practicing a particular published song whether easy or difficult , will always find that song easier to sing. One who has been practicing only so called difficult songs will find it uneasy to sing something which is considered easy and not so heavy.

I am of the same opinion as "Udit Narayan" when he says "Mera Kehna Mano, Gana Koi Bhi easy nehi hote".

I can find only one perfect solution, make everyone sing the same song. it might be boring but question of easy Vs difficult will not be there anymore. I am sure, we will get a higher degree of unpredictability with single song process.

Originally posted by: gopalbhai

I can find only one perfect solution, make everyone sing the same song. it might be boring but question of easy Vs difficult will not be there anymore. I am sure, we will get a higher degree of unpredictability with single song process.

You mean episode after episode everyone sings the same song? IN one round msay be, but thats not a permanent option

It has its faults too.... a classical singer would not do that well in the groovy numbers and a disco singer wont do well in th eraga based songs... then who decides what song to play...?

Every music contest has points allotted to different aspects and judges mark accordingly.I am sure even here they do so and the fact that at most times regardless of whether they give A, B or C , the marks are pretty to the point and so far except for vaishali's elimination none was bad. so the judges definitely know what they are doing ,something the public unfortunately cannot know when they are voting.

Originally posted by: gopalbhai

This way of evaluation will be always under dispute. Someone who has been practicing a particular published song whether easy or difficult , will always find that song easier to sing. One who has been practicing only so called difficult songs will find it uneasy to sing something which is considered easy and not so heavy.

I am of the same opinion as "Udit Narayan" when he says "Mera Kehna Mano, Gana Koi Bhi easy nehi hote".

I can find only one perfect solution, make everyone sing the same song. it might be boring but question of easy Vs difficult will not be there anymore. I am sure, we will get a higher degree of unpredictability with single song process.

Your perfect solution is possible once we reach at top3 or so. Otherwise it will be really boring.

When they reach top 3 normally they sing more than one song anyway. One them should one song chosen by the Judges for all 3 singers. This song should be newly released song so that no one has practiced on that previously.

Originally posted by: advil

You mean episode after episode everyone sings the same song? IN one round msay be, but thats not a permanent option

It has its faults too.... a classical singer would not do that well in the groovy numbers and a disco singer wont do well in th eraga based songs... then who decides what song to play...?

Every music contest has points allotted to different aspects and judges mark accordingly.I am sure even here they do so and the fact that at most times regardless of whether they give A, B or C , the marks are pretty to the point and so far except for vaishali's elimination none was bad. so the judges definitely know what they are doing ,something the public unfortunately cannot know when they are voting.

I too believe they do this way. They might have a format with all the parameters to arrive at the total mark. Our problem is with the allegation that some sings easy songs perform good , thereby get good rating and some sings difficult songs , performs to their level best and weightage being given/not given(i consider both unfair) for the degree of difficulty of the songs.

I agree with gopalbhai as to the same song part...maybe to keep the boring part away they can make them sing normally as being done now and ask them also to sing just a part of, say just the mukhra and antara of a song. That could make it more fair.

@advil - True all parameters may hv been taken into account but is there any parameter to decide which song is the toughest when say more than 2 sing really tough song and do full justice? degree of difficulty in songs is more like a personal choice. a song that Sonu may find diff. Sureshji may find easy. How to make them come on the same page then?

Originally posted by: gopalbhai

I can find only one perfect solution, make everyone sing the same song. it might be boring but question of easy Vs difficult will not be there anymore. I am sure, we will get a higher degree of unpredictability with single song process.

Making everyone sing the same song is a good solution.But who will decide which song that is to be?That song cld be easy for one person and difficlt for another 😊....In that case to bring more objectivity 3 songs of different genres shld be selected and each person(in the Top 3) shld be asked to sing all 3 songs..Then we can find out who is really good.....But there is only one problem....The show willl get sooooo boring,that the next the TRPs will plummet and after that the show will be wound up 😆.......

Originally posted by: Barnali

I agree with gopalbhai as to the same song part...maybe to keep the boring part away they can make them sing normally as being done now and ask them also to sing just a part of, say just the mukhra and antara of a song. That could make it more fair.

@advil - True all parameters may hv been taken into account but is there any parameter to decide which song is the toughest when say more than 2 sing really tough song and do full justice? degree of difficulty in songs is more like a personal choice. a song that Sonu may find diff. Sureshji may find easy. How to make them come on the same page then?

To overcome the tough song selection-problem, one week Sonu will choose another week Sureshji will choose. One criteria should be to select a new song just released (chance of not practiced enough).

I know this is a contradiction to my previous post.....But my idea on how to judge whether a song is difficlt/easy is this.......A song wld be relatively easy if it has a simple tune...ie,straight notes,less harkats,murkiyan,less range,no confusing rhythm patterns & requires less breath management..These cld be some of the criteria used to judge if a song is diffclt....
there may be others like the mood of the song..bringing the mood of a sad song/sensous song is a li'l more difficlt than bringing the mood of a happy song.
Another simple basis is that an easy song can be sung well by a majority of singers(8 out of 10 singers) in a competition.....Almost anyoone cld sing lakdi ki kaathi/khullam khulla pyar karenge...of course,some ppl wld sing it better than others,but if a singer takes these songs and messes them up(as in gets the sur/taal wrong)that means he is(most certainly) a bad singer...If he gets the mood wrong he cld be given another chance.....A difficlt song is one which fewer singers cld sing well...... 😊 just my two cents 😊

Originally posted by: Manik_mia

[To overcome the tough song selection-problem, one week Sonu will choose another week Sureshji will choose. One criteria should be to select a new song just released (chance of not practiced enough).

This is a good idea...but for this they shld have music composers specially compose songs for these kids(the way they used to do when Sonuji was hosting the show)...Coz if they choose latest songs,then there will mostly be no chalenge..The songs of new movies are mostly so simple(no tune,no murkiyan) that they sound like recitations mostly( with all due respect to new MDs)...Of course they cld find scouple of good songs,but finding 8/10 good songs all from latest movies is a near impossible task........coz new movies don't have 8/10 good songs(sorry,not a gr8 fan of new songs,apologies if i hurt any sentiments here 😊)

Originally posted by: rock&roll

This is a good idea...but for this they shld have music composers specially compose songs for these kids(the way they used to do when Sonuji was hosting the show)...Coz if they choose latest songs,then there will mostly be no chalenge..The songs of new movies are mostly so simple(no tune,no murkiyan) that they sound like recitations mostly( with all due respect to new MDs)...Of course they cld find scouple of good songs,but finding 8/10 good songs all from latest movies is a near impossible task........coz new movies don't have 8/10 good songs(sorry,not a gr8 fan of new songs,apologies if i hurt any sentiments here 😊)

There is no easy answer to this discussion.

One singer can not sing all kinds of song also.

If you see OSO, MD gave 3 songs to 3 singers even though they were picturised on SRK. One time he sings in Sonu's voice, another time with Sukhwinder and another time Abhijeet. If Sonu sings Dard-e-Disco I do not know how it will sound. But VS decided to give it to Sukhwinder.

Now we are back to zero again; because easy for one could be tough for another singer.