Innocent or Suspicious? An Analysis - Page 2

Excellent post, sareg. Thanks for your input. Check out what I added to the list from your arguments.

Originally posted by: mittijalebi

Allowing Aneek to come in when the competition was well on its way......Zee guilty! Aneek should've been there from the very beginning like the rest were.

I am not a fan of Wild Card entries myself.

The problem arises because Zee Saregamapa does not follow a definite format to start with. They bend rules as and when they want. If you remember they forfieted an elimination just because all 3 Pakistani's were in the danger zone (no logic coz just one was to be eliminated). Zee is guilty of mixing emotions into what should be a out and out competition. Would be nice if they would make transparent rules that cannot be broken.

Secondly, all these speculations over vote manipulation. well these are all conspiracy theories...and frankly does it even matter? Competitions these days are more like a gambling contest! The one who rakes in more money for the channel wins...as simple as that. Whatever the strategy maybe. I think after 4 years of seeing good deserving participants being eliminated we should either just make peace with it and go with the flow or do something that will force the organizers to change their format and make it more fool proof.

In the end - there is no point arguing and cursing the participants and others coz it really won't yeild a result. Keep cool and just hope for the best. One thing is good...these shows bring more audience participation which in turn works great for the participants. Good luck to all the saregamapa participants and hope they all acheive their dreams soon.

Before commenting i would like to post here an extract of an article posted by ~@$hm@~ in the II section regarding how the TV channels handle SMS messages.

It goes like this.

"Zee Television, for instance, has a dedicated company called Corner Soft Entertainment that takes care of 10-50 million SMSes every month.

"We have a separate team as they understand this space very well. They are responsible for the convergence of all the different formats like SMS, tele-voting, and IVR voting," says Ishwar Jha, CEO, Digital Media Convergence Ltd, a subsidiary of Essel group."

And here is the link for the full article.


https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/indian-idol-6/758197/how-to-handle-50-million-phone-messages

So if this is to be believed there is indeed an independent agency employed to handle the SMS business of ZEE.


Now as far as my information is considered the revenue sharing between the channel & the phone company is in the ratio 30:70, so the more the SMS it is actually the telecom service provider who laughs all the way to the bank.

The channel earns more from AD revenues than from SMS votes so the reason for all the drama, suspense, fighting presence of celebrity guests on the show and all other totally unrelated stuff to music thrown in between.

Were the results fair and square or did Zee meddle with the results?

I dont think results were fair. one night before, the vote count was 1 crore. and then the very next day, they got 10 crore. if it was prerecorded, then that should be mentioned. I think zee is answerable, that how come they got 9 crore votes over night.

Did Zee mislead or deceive the audiences around the world or not?

yup, they did. they called it the world cup of singers when they didn't have singers from Srilanka, Bangladesh, South Africa and many other places. They said they are looking for a complete singer, but they supported HR, when he said that contestants should only sing in their own genre. that made the whole show too predictable. the ablities of the contestants were suppressed due to that.

Was Zee being fair with all groups involved?

no they weren't. they let mentors bash contestants, and play with their sentiments and self-respect. despite all the disapproval of VS, HR wasn't stopped from his love story drama. how can they make on mentor talk about it in every episode when other are upset at it. they made AMJ stand like criminals when the national song controversy happened. they questioned their loyalties. agar duniya ko bata rahye ho keh hummara dil boht bara hai. tu prove bhi tu karo. instead of making them answer what they did or did not. it should have been ZEE to answer all the questions. why drag them???

Was the outcome preplanned or spontaneous as it should have been?

of course it was preplanned. how can they let HR be upset, when he is the one according to him, who is giving them high TRPs. and of course who have given the world "Rishtoon ki buniad" by telling a love story which never happened, and by picking someone's sad story/weak point, and hit on it hard in every episode. just to get some stupid votes. it is just so cruel and inhumane!!!

Did online votes count or not?

no they weren't, warna Amanat or Raja would have won for sure!

Originally posted by: trishanku3

Before commenting i would like to post here an extract of an article posted by ~@$hm@~ in the II section regarding how the TV channels handle SMS messages.

It goes like this.

"Zee Television, for instance, has a dedicated company called Corner Soft Entertainment that takes care of 10-50 million SMSes every month.

"We have a separate team as they understand this space very well. They are responsible for the convergence of all the different formats like SMS, tele-voting, and IVR voting," says Ishwar Jha, CEO, Digital Media Convergence Ltd, a subsidiary of Essel group."

And here is the link for the full article.


https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/indian-idol-6/758197/how-to-handle-50-million-phone-messages

So if this is to be believed there is indeed an independent agency employed to handle the SMS business of ZEE.


Now as far as my information is considered the revenue sharing between the channel & the phone company is in the ratio 30:70, so the more the SMS it is actually the telecom service provider who laughs all the way to the bank.

The channel earns more from AD revenues than from SMS votes so the reason for all the drama, suspense, fighting presence of celebrity guests on the show and all other totally unrelated stuff to music thrown in between.

Interesting article. However, you have not clearly made the connection you want this article to have with this case study of Zee's Innocense/ Suspicions. What would you like to prove/disprove? That Zee cannot meddle with SMS voting because another company handles it?

How does this account for online voting (if they even count) ?

Also, in a business sense, every penny counts. Whether they make more money doing one thing than another, the fact is, they still are making money.

http://www.rediff.com/saregamapa/conditions.html

Terms and Conditions for voting in Saregamapa Challegne 2007 produced by
Zee Entertainment Enterprises Limited.

Optional voting is to enable selection of contestant to progress to the Bramhastra, Agni Pariksha and final rounds of the programs.

Any individual can tender his/her vote using any of the following medium Viz; (a) SMS (b) Televoting.

In internet voting only one vote will be counted per unique emailId.

Any individual any where in the world can participate in the voting through any or all of the mediums as mentioned above.

The details about the voting including the closing day and time of voting for the contestants will be announced during the said programme.

The viewers can send unlimited votes through any/all mediums mentioned above and each vote will be counted as distinct and separate vote.

Viewers shall send the vote at their own free will and without any inducement or expecting any benefit from the producer.

The discretion on the validity of votes rests with the producer.

The producer alone shall have the right to consider or disqualify any/all votes sent by voter via any medium of voting in favour of any contestant.

Producer reserves its right to alter or change the criteria for selecting the contestant for next round of the programme at its own sole discretion, without assigning any reason for the same.

As per the current format the elimination of contestant will be decided on the basis of total number of votes received by the contestant from the viewers, however the format of the programme is subject to change at the discretion of the producer.

Individuals shall vote for the contestant at their own cost as per the rates charged by the services provider and the producer shall not be responsible for the rates charged or reimbursement thereof.

No dispute pertaining to the votes will be entertained.
It is agreed by the voter that producer being the owner of the programme, is the sole decision taking authority and any decision taken by producer shall be full and final and shall be binding on the voters and no dispute pertaining to the any aspect related to the programme will be entertained.

The said programme and this terms and conditions are subject to Mumbai Jurisdiction.

It is agreed by the voters that they accept the above term and condition and the same shall be binding on them.

Originally posted by: jncblr

The problem arises because Zee Saregamapa does not follow a definite format to start with. They bend rules as and when they want. If you remember they forfieted an elimination just because all 3 Pakistani's were in the danger zone (no logic coz just one was to be eliminated). Zee is guilty of mixing emotions into what should be a out and out competition. Would be nice if they would make transparent rules that cannot be broken.

Although I agree that SRGMP needed to have fixed rules, I think the exception they made for the patriotic round was justified. There were rumors going around that the Pakistani singers had refused to sing an Indian patriotic song, and people were bashing them all over the net. If one of them had been eliminated, it probably would not have been a fair elimination.

"The producer alone shall have the right to consider or disqualify any/all votes sent by voter via any medium of voting in favour of any contestant. "

"Producer reserves its right to alter or change the criteria for selecting the contestant for next round of the programme at its own sole discretion, without assigning any reason for the same. "

The points above say it's all. These chaps have looted millions of people and I sincerely believe a criminal investigation into all of these reality shows is called for. We are talking about huge amounts of money. The Indian government should put some restrictions and requirements for hosting such a show.

Even though you are spending money on their show but it's not legally binding as the producer can do as he pleases if he wants to.

Frankly, producers can do anything they want. And they have in the past. I can think of two cases where voting results were clearly manipulated - Hema/Nihira's tie in C2005, and Sameer finishing only 100 odd votes less than Divakar (out of lakhs) and hence both getting into final.

Even in this final, out of crores and crores of votes, the contestants got 34.47%, 33.20%, and 32.33% of the votes. I don't know about you, but this seems very very close to me - toooo close, like it's been planned to give everyone approximately 1/3 of the votes. I could understand if 2 out of the 3 people got extremely close votes, but all 3? Even Amanat, who had no region to call his own?