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Posted: 18 years ago
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It was noticed and i did mention it before too. Manohari da is a very reputed musicians and has also coem on Sare stage during Sonu's time, when real talent was appreciated and there was no such drama

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=643769&K W=swar%5Fraj&TPN=3
Edited by Swar_Raj - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Very Sad to hear about the lie. It smells of sleeze and has lowered the respect for such a composer who would lie so blatantly
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Thanks for the article

This proves that nobody is perfect..
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

It is true for every era. If we dissect each single musician or singer then we will find so many such truths. Then as the years pass they become legends and command respect and then have the audacity to say that in their time everyone respected other unlike today's youngsters. Ofcourse fans will defend those legends.

Very true! reminds me of Nightingale's Peddar road issue 😛


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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Moderator:
Where is the source of this report/article?

Is it allowed to put a made up story or something discussed on other fan club/forum with this kind of title in IF?

Is it in compliance with the rule of the forum?

If there is no source then that should not be allowed, otherwise this section will be full of junkies.... Tomorrow none of the legends will be spared from this kind of concocted story....😡😡😡

I agree. It is okay to point out a mistake or incorrect statement by Ismail Darbar, but to quote Manohar calling him pagal and jhootha - please don't do that unless you can provide a source. If you cannot, then this article shouldn't be allowed.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: N Sinha

Being a member of Panchamrit club (which comprises of hard core fans of RD Burman), I came across this blatant lie of ID while reading one discussion.
Some time ago when one of the singers was singing Hai Duniya usiki (Kashmir ki Kali) on SRGM 2007, Raj Sodha appeared on stage playing solo on this song on saxophone, It was announced that this is a favourite song of Ismail Darbar,at this juncture,to surprise, ID said that this solo pieces were played by his father on saxophone and even after playing such piece his father could not make much progress in the industry. But the fact is that the piece being discussed was played by our Manohari da (the person who controlled the orchestra of RD for years, a saxophone player & a very respected person in the music industry, everyone knows him in Bollywood personally), one member gave a ring to Manoharida who knew about the incidence through the production team. He was furious and said that ' Ye Ismail kya pagal ho gaya hai?,Use itna jhooth bolke kya milta hai?.Then he went on to narrate how Shakti Samanta was so happy after recording the song and gave a party after the recording and how he met with an accident driving back to home.He went on to reveal that he knew ID's father Husain,who was never a Saxophone player!!He was a clarinet player,at least at the recordings. It is rather shameful how ID can boast about his father publicly at the cost of Manoharida?
Needless to say quite a few people are enraged in the club and completely mad with this incidence, they actually have talked to the producer of this show (SRGM on Zee) and asked them to clarify on this issue, an article is likely to come up on DNA any day….

**Viewbie - The title of the article has been changed as it may affect the sentiments of the fans of the music director..**

Thanks for this. Can't imagine such a blatant lie being proclaimed in SRGMP. Thanks for exposing. The sooner people realize the real character of these people, the better.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I got this from http://www.mohdrafi.com/meri-awaaz-suno/opnayyar-turns-80-ye ars-old-part-2.html

O.P.Nayyar turns 80 years old - Part 2
Continued from the part 1. Article by Mahesh Chakravorty.

O.P.Nayyar and Asha have a marvellous collections to their credit. Looking at Asha's entire repertoire there are many songs that have been marked in history as everlasting. And more than 50 of her career best have been Nayyar's compositions. Maang ke saath tumhara, Aao huzoor tumko, Aaj koi pyar se, Woh haseen dard de do, Aaja mere pyar ke sahare, Zara haule haule chalo mere saajna, Jaiye aap kahan jayenge, Chain se humko kabhi are only couple of immortal gems to name. One can listen to on and on without getting monotonous. The last couple of Asha-Nayyar numbers were from Sambandh, Ek Baar Muskurado and Pran Jaye Par Vachan Na Jaye.

Coming to Rafi Sahab's and Nayyar's combo, who can forget Taarif Karoon Kya Uski, Lakhon Hein Nigah Mein, Banda Parwar to name a few that have the stamp of Nayyar's brilliance and Rafi's incomparable range? Nayyar once fell out with Rafi Sahab but managed to conjure memorable songs even with Mukesh who sang Chal Akela in Sambandh, Mahendra Kapoor who sang one of his best, Lakhon Hai Yahan Dilwale and Kishore Da in Ek Baar Muskurado, Tu Auron Ki Kyon Ho Gaye.

OPN was never classically trained but his sense and knowledge about rhythm and melody was immense. It was perhaps innate too. He studied music for a while. He combined Punjabi folk tunes with peppy popular tunes in the classical meter to create a comprehensible feel among music lovers. He also created some of the most remembered classical tunes and made good use of classical talents - Jogiya Mere Ghar Aaye from the film Raagini in Ustad Aamir Khan's voice. Ustad Raeez Khan enchants us with his sitar in Jayiye Aap Kahaan Jaayenge in the film Mere Sanam, Manohari Singh played the saxophone in Hai Duniya Usiki from the film Kashmir Ki Kali, Sardar Hazaara Singh played the electric guitar in Lakhon Hai Yaha Dilwale from the film Kismat.. And in another classic moment, an enjoyable sarangi interlude by Pandit Ram Narain graces the songs Aana Hai To Aa from the film Naya Daur and Bekasi Had Se Jab Guzar Jaye from the film Kalpana.

It is also believed that after the breakup with Asha, he was unable to create similar magic with other singers. He came along with Krishna Kalle, Runa Laila, Kavita Krishnamurthy and Anuradha Paudwal later on, but with no charming results. Evidently it was the master without his muse in a creative vacuum.

Nayyar is still active though not as a musician anymore. His rare appearances on television shows as a judge or a special invitee is something viewers cherish.
Edited by punjini - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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http://www.cinemasangeet.com/cinema/articles/?a=526

In Conversation With Manohari Singh
Author: Dr. Chandrashekhar



On February 10, 2007 I had the privilege of meeting veteran saxophone player and long time RDB assistant Manohari Singh for the second time at his Santa Cruz residence in Mumbai, the first occasion being almost three years ago. What follows is a composite of the two conversations. (Comments in parentheses with an asterisk are mine.)



Manohari is a gentle grandfatherly sort whose memory is as sharp as his breath control and pitching on the sax. One wall of his living room are covered with rare black and white photographs of him at work in studios with the likes of Jaikishan, Hariprasad Chaurasia, Sumantraj, Rais Khan, Kersi Lord and other illustrious stars from the Hindi film music firmament. One large R.D. Burman photograph in colour occupies a place of honor on the opposite wall. Since so much Pancham- related Manohari stories and anecdotes abound I tried to get him to talk more on other music directors - Panchamites bear with me. I hope to do a Pancham-based interview soon.


Of Nepali origin but in India for practically all his life, Manohari came to Calcutta as a young boy and took up music originally playing the flute in a brass band. While playing on stage in Calcutta he and his partner-to-be Basu Chakraborty were noticed by no less than Naushad and Salil Chaudhury, who were in the audience. It was Naushad who turned to Salil and said, "Why don't you get these young men to Bombay? I'm sure we can find good use for them."



Q. Tell us how you got your first break into the Hindi film industry.



A. Although it's true that I came to Bombay in the mid-50s at Salil's recommendation I did not get much opportunity to play for him, simply because he was going through a lean patch then. I was introduced to S.D. Burman and managed to play some pieces on the key flute for Sitaron Se Aage but it was nothing memorable. I did get a chance to meet Laxmikant, who was then a mandolin player with SDB, and also Jaidev, flute player Sumantraj and Pancham. By then I was fairly adept at the key flute and the mandolin in addition to the sax. But work was hard to come by.


Laxmi and I became good friends and he was keen to see me settled and employed. We next met at S.D. Burman's home where after discussion a sitting was arranged for the song "Accha ji main haari chalo" (Kala Paani) to take place at Navketan's the next day. I asked Laxmi to try and help me to get some work. He said "Ek kaam karo. Bring your mandolin along tomorrow". And so it happened that both he and I played together for that song, recorded in Bombay Lab. You might say that it's the first song in which I am heard.


I continued to play a key flute for such assignments as Madhumati's background score. Sax pieces were still rare. My first sax piece for a song was in Sach hue sapne tere (Kala Bazaar) but it barely registered as it was combined with a clarinet and other instruments. The first solo sax piece happened in Lajwanti's "Gaa mere man ga" where you could really experience it. Laxmi remembered the piece.


The turning point happened with Satta Bazaar, for "Tumhe yaad hoga". It was a debut for several persons: Robert Correa on the piano, Gulshan Bawra for the lyric and Pyarelal for the arrangements (he and Laxmi were assisting Kalyanji-Anandji). Laxmi booked me for the rehearsal at Sri Sound in Dadar.


What I didn't know was that three other sax players had been booked as well for the actual recording! That was at Mehboob Studios. We had to play the sax pieces in unison. I could see that Laxmi was
uncomfortable. After two or three rehearsals, he told Kalyanjibhai, "Kucch jam nahin raha hai. Why not ask Manohari to play alone and see the effect? So I played the piece alone, and so the song was recorded.



Author's comments: (*Pyarelal told me he did retain the other three saxophones to play rhythm to Manohari's solo.)


"The song was an overnight hit for the public in general and my sax pieces for all the music directors. Hemant Kumar (who sang the duet with Lata Mangeshkar) complimented me so effusively that I could see the resentment plainly on the face of his own assistant Rizbert, one of the other sax players."



Q. To digress for a moment - were you not also Hemant Kumar's assistant for Anupama and Biwi Aur Makaan? I recall seeing your name on the credits.

A. I was. All the arrangements were mine.



Q. And that was you on the sax for "Kyun mujhe itni khushi de di"?

A. Right. And then Goody Servai's accordion comes ripping through!



Q. And the flute for "Kucch dil ne kaha"?

A. No, that was Sumantraj. He was a versatile artiste who could play several instruments. Do you know that the introduction santoor piece of "Dil Apna Aur Preet Parai"'s title song was by him?



Q. I didn't know that. But do go on - after "Satta Bazaar"...?

A. At some point then Salil introduced me to his assistant Sebastian, who also worked closely with Shankar-Jaikishan and O.P. Nayyar. Sebastian in turn got me acquainted with Jaikishan, who became very fond of me. He was a real 'raaja' of a man. I played the flute for "Ruk ja o janewali" in "Kanhaiyya" but I really 'arrived' with S-J with the title music for "Junglee" - which you recall was the title song played as a sax instrumental. Jai gave me further prominence with "Aawaz deke" (Professor) and then declared I "must be made permanent" with the S-J group. In Arzoo I had three songs with memorable sax pieces: "Ae phoolon ki rani", "Bedardi baalama" and "Aji rooth kar ab". And there was the title song of Dil Tera Deewana, Brahmachari's "Aaj kal tere mere pyar ke charche" - so many others. And of course, that remarkable non-film album "Raaga Jazz Style" in which I played many Hindustani raags with Rais Khan giving a kind of counterpoint with sitar and tabla.



Q. I liked one song in Jhuk Gaya Aasmaan - "Mere tumhare beech mein ab to". After Lata sings "Ab aan milo sajna, sajna" the sax just flows out.

A. And the strings play staccato as though playing rhythm! Yes, that was another good song.



Q. Talking of staccato, you did play the sax in that fashion for Kalyanji-Anandji in "Saccha Jhoota" - an Asha Bhosle song, "Duniya mein pyar ki sab ko zaroorat hai". That piece was quite arresting, with a lead guitar follow-up.

A. Staccato is rare for a sax, at least in our Hindi film music, because one can infuse much more emotion and mood with long notes and variations.



Q. Tell us about your experience with other music directors.

A. There was Madan Mohan, who showed a lot of his military background even in the recording room. But mostly it was all good-hearted bluff to get the work done. After the recording of "Shokh nazar ki bijaliyan" from Woh Kaun Thi?, he confronted me sternly and asked "What sort of expression did you give in that piece?" I was rattled and answered softly "Jo music ke hisaab se bajaana theek samjha, maine kiya". Then he broke into a smile and said "That was very good!"



Then there was the unforgettable O.P. Nayyar. My first song for him was "Hai duniya usiki" from Kashmir Ki Kali. After the recording on the spot he handed me a hundred rupee note and cried "Have whiskey!"


Another time during a show at the Shanmukhananda Hall - it might have been a Filmfare awards function - he put one arm around my shoulder, another around Kersi Lord's, led us to the front of the stage and declared, "These are my ornaments".



Q. I remember that haunting solo sax at the beginning of "Huzurewala" (Yeh Raat Phir Na Aayegi).



(*At this point he goes in to get his saxophone,
and plays the piece for me.)



A. There was also this piece from "Yeh hai reshmi" from Mere Sanam.


(*Plays the second stanza sax piece, the one that is followed by Asha'a "la la laala.)

"The notes are almost identical to the"Huzurewala" piece, but did you notice that? Yes, Mr. Nayyar was indeed a clever composer."



(*I then beg him to play more and he obliges me by playing all the pieces I request - Guide's "Tere mere sapne", "Jaane ja dhoondta hi raha" from Jawani Diwani, and all the Arzoo pieces.)


He was also extremely principled as a man. In the early days cine musicians were seldom paid immediately after a recording and sometimes had to wait a month or two for their money. After one recording for Filmistan, Nayyar-saab overheard a musician moping dejectedly about late payments. OP immediately called the boss, S. Mukerji, and ordered him to pay them at once. When Mukerji said "Nayyarji jaldi kya hai? Mil jaaega paisa". OP was adamant, and not only was everyone paid at once, but the system permanently changed for musicians' shift set payment on the spot.



Only two months ago in December we met in Pune for a programme. During a break we sat together. I like to have a little fried snack with my drink and so got some pieces of fried fish from the table which we enjoyed together. As it turned out, it was my last opportunity to serve him. Outside of the Pancham group he and Jaikishan were my favourites.



Q. Which was the most complex or difficult piece anyone gave you to play?

A. No doubt about it, it was Pyarelal who once got me tired and breathless. It was that Kishore Kumar song "Main aaya hoon" from Amir Garib. I don't think any of my other songs comes close to it in difficulty.



Q. I think they also show Dev playing a sax on screen. What is your reaction when you see such scenes in which the actor moves his fingers arbitrarily on the keys doing that 'elephant trunk' movement, when you've put in so much work? Are you irritated?

A. Irritated? The blood boils! But it takes a really knowledgeable director to attend to such details so I don't let it bother me.



Q. You did play for Roshan too, right?

A. I did. You know, somehow Roshan ended up doing many films with conservative themes, where often the dialogue and lyrics were rich in Urdu. I have tried to fit into that kind of mood with a softer approach and greater expression. Anil Biswas had a sax player called Ramsingh who had developed that style and I tried to imitate him. Roshan was also fond of using an echo unit to emphasize reverb at the end of a stanza and often you'll hear my sax floating at a high pitch at that point, playing counter and simultaneous with the singing.



Q. I think we hear that effect in Salil's "O sajna", just before Lata goes into the high pitched part in the second stanza.

A. Right. Coming back to Roshan, I first played for him in Barsaat Ki Raat, where the title song in Lata's voice has my intro. I like that piece a lot. In fact, I even play it on stage for the male version since the female one is seldom sung. I had a lot of work in others too - Bheegi Raat, Bahu Begum ("Duniya kare sawaal" intro), Mamta, Daadima (intro to "Jaata hun main") and others.



Q. What about the two who were instrumental in bringing you to Mumbai - Salil and Naushad?

A. Of course there were so many Salil songs too - Maya's "Jaa re ud ja re panchhi", songs from Anand, Mere Apne - so many.


With Naushad I didn't get too many opportunities. Saathi was the main one, with a prominent sax piece for "Mera pyar bhi tu hai" intro. By the way all Saathi song arrangements were by Kersi Lord, who gave the track a different Naushad touch. I've also played in Leader, and on the background scores of Sohani Mahiwal, Pakeezah, and even the original (not restored) Mughal-e-Azam.



Q. Any other music directors you'd like to tell us about?

A. Chitragupt was one and I'm proud to be associated with two of his best songs: "Jaag dil-e-deewana" from Oonche Log, and "Ye parbaton ke daaere" from Vaasna. I played many with Anna (C. Ramchandra) too, including the flute for "Ae mere watan ke logo".



Q. Any prominent flute or mandolin pieces you'd like to tell us about?

A. "Kaanchi re kaanchi re" (Hare Rama Hare Krishna). The mandolin in "Tum bin jaaun kahan" (Pyar Ka Mausam) was mine. Do you know I also did the whistling for "Ye shaam mastani"(Kati Patang) and the title music of Sholay. People wonder how an asthmatic like myself can do so much with wind instruments that need breath- control, but it's actually like a physiotherapy for my lungs.
Edited by punjini - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it. 😉
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Being a very busy professional I wouldn't be able to answer all the responses &PMs Im getting, I usually desist from criticizing any one, but the post I wrote is based on shocking no of emails I got yesterday from several irate members of Pancham's fan club who respect Manohari da a lot, if anyone wants to close this discussion he may.
This article would come up on DNA in a day or two…

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