Neil aka Lakshman's 'Shrey' in Ramayan

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AnjanaYYZ

@AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 12 years ago

#11

Neil has undoubtedly done a better job as Lakshman then the actor who did the 1986 version. But, some fundamental elements of the story are definitely absent here not just as regards Lakshman but, even Ram and Sita.😔 They need to pull their socks up in terms of story basics.

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

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Posted: 12 years ago

#12

Ramayan 12 January 2013

In Valmiki Ramayan, Ram uses the term bhaavajnah to describe Lakshman.
The word bhaavajnah means 'the knower of other's feelings'. Lakshmana is well aware of other's feelings while talking with sages, his brothers, his mothers and his ministers like Hanuman and other subjects. Here also Lakshmana knew the feelings of Rama as to how the cottage is envisioned by Rama, with due privacy to Rama and Seetha, with a porch, worship-room, and an accommodation for himself. Though he himself is a prince, Lakshmana did not construct the cottage for his comfort, but the convenience of Rama and Seetha are counted firstly. The word dharmaatmaa , virtue souled one, are prefixed to Dasharatha like dharmaatmaa mama pitaa virtue-souled, my, father, Ram intends to say that 'the virtue-souled Dasharatha has left you(Lakshman) behind him (Dasharath) for my sake, because you are arranging all the things for me, as a father would naturally do for his son.' The word samvrittah is used in the observation of Dr. Satya Vrat in his book 'The Ramayana - A Linguistic Study.This word has been found used in a rather remarkable sense [in Ramayana.] It is 'to die'. samvrittah means dead. Ordinarily samvrittah has quite the opposite sense, viz., 'born', i.e., father Dasharatha took rebirth as Lakshmana, to provide for the needs of Rama. Hence Rama said in this concept that - 'my father is though 'dead', but 'born' again in you, Lakshmana.'

This scene depicts the relationship between Ram and Lakshman and portrays Lakshman as the one who fulfills the roles of (all the) relations that Ram has left behind at Ayodhya. He acts as father, mother, protector, guardian,a brother as well as that of a dutiful servant at the same time guiding Ram to maintain composure especially when he laments over Sita's disppearance. In the above mentioned cottage building scene, Ram acknowledges Lakshman's service to him being that of a father/protector. If the scene was included, Lakshman's devotion to Ram could be translated onscreen through this scene.

The Ram Lakshman scene was rushed without dwelling on how beautiful their relationship was. The above scene from Valmik's Ramayan could have brought out the deep rooted bonding between Ram-Lakshman. Screenplay continues to remain inconsistent. I am sure its absurd to continue showing Ravan meting out third degree torture to Shanidev. I hope next week there is continuation to the cottage building scene, even if a 20% of what is described in different versions of Ramayan can be included. It would have been an attempt to portray Lakshman's selfless service which may help people regard Lakshman with more empathy.

As for Neil's scene, I guess he seems to enhance the briefly played out scene by bringing out a reasonably good chemistry between him and Gagan as brothers. It was a beautiful scene where he promises his bhabhi to build the best dwelling place where there would be no hardships for her during the 'vanvaas' The promise comes straight from his heart having been witness to his brother and bhabhi's hardships in forest life. He is determined that with his efforts he wants to give them and especially her the best comforts to lead a happy life with his brother with no reason for her to complain. The eyes hold a brief grieving followed by determination and a promise.

However the screenplay could have been better, Lakshman had earlier argued with Bharat that a princess(referring to Sita) who never was away from the comforts of palace currently suffers in the forest because of Bharat and his mom. If i have to believe that princesses did not have to cook way back then, Lakshman could not ask his bhabhi to decide about the kitchen. He cant assume that his bhabhi can cook. Or may be I am overreacting, may be it goes without saying, come hell or high waters, a woman has to know to cook.

Edited by My-Simi - 12 years ago

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EXOL

@EXOL

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Posted: 12 years ago

#13

i agree ganga...

what is the excuse of not showing ram lakshman convo properly when RAM and lakshman are supposed to be the central characters...and lakshman says "take care of kutiya" and ramji leaves the spot asap..that was just so weird......crappy screen play..they r fitting ram lakshman scenes just for the heck of it without any proper thinking...they shoud have focussed on their beautiful bond..its the scene where RAM ji compares Laskhman with dashrath...i hope they show it in next episode...😡

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

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Posted: 12 years ago

#14

i agree ganga...

what is the excuse of not showing ram lakshman convo properly when RAM and lakshman are supposed to be the central characters...You are denial, you need to accept Ravan and Naradmuni are the leads...and lakshman says "take care of kutiya" and ramji leaves the spot asap... If Ramji did not leave immediately we wouldnt have got the superdivine BONDING scene between Ram and Sita. that was just so weird......when a script for mythology and historics are being written, the writer should remember that they are not dealing with reactions of people living in the current century.crappy screen play..they r fitting ram lakshman scenes just for the heck of it without any proper thinking...Someone occassionally reminds them that its Ramayan after all.they shoud have focussed on their beautiful bond..its the scene where RAM ji compares Laskhman with dashrath...i hope they show it in next episode...😡 Hope so...

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Incense

@Incense

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Posted: 12 years ago

#15

well said ganga...👏 i have given up my hope😕... now just praying this show to ends asap

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: arti07
well said ganga...👏 i have given up my hope😕... now just praying this show to ends asap

Thanks Artibaby.

No...if you have given up hope, you won't be around. Hope is in spite of the lack of confidence on the makers, to watch out for Neil/Lakshman's scenes as we are aware it would be best even if its for few minutes, that too even if its devoid of any dialogues.

Frustration is because we believe he deserves much better.

The show is planned as 72-episodic. The way in which story is progressing with each episode taken over by all other characters other than Ram,Sita and Lakshman, it might take the entire 72 episodes to complete Ramayan. Only 23 episodes have gone by and we are witness to umpteen number of 'anokha adhyay' as well as supportive characters take over the episode like...Apsara dancing over, Suryadev, Chandradev, Naradmuni popping up in each frame, Shashiketu fighting Nishadraj, Brahma/

Narad conference, Indradev, his son Jayant, Kevat's wife, and the list goes on. Important scenes of Valmiki Ramayan and Ramcharitmanas have been excluded or at least chopped.

To add spice, Ravan occupies maximum screen space when Aranya Kanda is being aired. Wonder what will happen in Kishkindha Kanda and Yudh Kand. So 72-22, makes another good 50 episodes. Zee Tv + DD airing brings them the "figures" they would have aimed for. Advertisements are more when its being aired on DD, so obviously it might give Zee Tv, the partner, an edge in the finance aspect through returns. Makers of the show had announced that they aren't aiming at TRPs. So 50 more episodes/ Sundays works upto another whole year until Jan 2014.
NO...the story isn't ending any soon...

As per the way story is shaping up, Neil is left with just three more important scenes to display his acting prowess, the Surpanakha scene, Lakshman-Sita coversation prior to Lakshman-Rekha scene and the Lakshman-Indrajit final combat.

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Aditi Mehta

@enchanted23

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Posted: 12 years ago

#17

Ha I feel I walk into discussions/debates quite late now a days can blame that too on Zee as we are a week behind here in UK in terms of episode screening so I am yet to see what you all have seen and lamented on….

Now coming to the contention point about Ravan and Shani and Narad and Indra hogging the screen space in Ramayan, well well where Ram is struggling to find the screen space Lakshaman needs to forget about his na after all what is he but a mere shadow of his pujneey brother…..

I think the dose of updesh sorry sheekh that follows every episode needs a redirection to people who write the screenplay they seem hell bent on making this version of Ramayan a direct competitor for films like Ra.One where evil is depicted as powerful, fearless and go-getter and the good will only suppress in front of such dominance and confidence till endurance reaches it's limit….No way they are sticking to our Vedic Scripture in their quest to capture the maximum amount of audience from various age group they are bringing in all these "Anokha Adhyay" and in a way succeeding to drive away the people who actually would have loved to have relived Ramayan in all it's glory and Saatvik Gyaan drawn by actor/s selected to play such epic characters…

I must say I am disappointed and I will only stick around till Neil does….

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

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Posted: 12 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: enchanted23

Late or early, all well as long as we can hear about your take on the episode.

Word !!! to your updesh.

"pujneey"...i get that, or do I?? 😊 Ram the character should have been occupying screen space as per the alleged original versions of Ramayan. Without going into details, I would say I am happy that Ram does not have intense scenes. Lakshman is shadow to Ram, but we are not wrong in expecting the deserved screen space for Lakshman because we are interested in watching Neil as Lakshman.

They promoted the show in Mumbai malls. Did they really expect to kindle youngster's interests through that? Did they really believe that the kids and younngsters have taken home a message of good prevailing over evil, or that such promotions can bring in viewership comprising of young adults and that they will tune in to Zee on Sundays at 11 AM.

They have freedom to depict any historic character as per the PH's visualisation. The problem lies in their decision to give undue importance to supporting characters other than the leads. This was not what was promised. I would have certainly loved to rewatch Ramayan in all its glory and was infact overjoyed to watch NB playing Lakshman. After all, he is a gifted actor.

Saatvik Gyan ...Point taken. 😛

Edited by My-Simi - 12 years ago

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EXOL

@EXOL

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Posted: 12 years ago

#19

wat to say..i am brain dead..zee only wants sugary reviews..if we tell them the truth ..they dont take it...rather they irritate us more...yea we know but the truth always hurts.

@aditi : they are not even showing ravan properly..they cant handle a powerful character like RAVAN either..they are just projecting him as only evil...gosh...current generation will never understand him either thanks to zee...

btw can u go n paste on zee wall what u wrote here aditi ?????

@ganga...mummyyy what u wrote hurts..the show will go on till next year...ouchhh 💔...u r right only three important scenes...will they show it or not..yaa sooparnakha will cut her nose on her own 😡

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#20

With whatever they are showing regarding Ravan, I am not able to visualise him in a different context, that of a scholar that he was apart from being egoistic. I would have loved to understand Ravan from a different perspective. I dislike Ravan because I would call him a coward for abducting Sita. The fact that he did not force himself on Sita does not earn him brownie points. Well this is just my opinion, no offence intended. However as per Ramayan, Ravan represents "evil". They don't even seem to present that evilness properly through the show where viewers are supposed to dislike him. This Ravan is purely comical especially in his scenes with Shanidev.

Aditi, even I suggest you post it on Zee wall. I might add my views too.

Saamya, whether Zee would acknowledge it or not, it doesn't matter. Some real feedback is any day better than copy pasted "jai shri ram" messages.

Edited by My-Simi - 12 years ago