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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Yeah...idk.

The entire thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think premarital sex is a bad thing or even that sex is a bad thing. But when they use sex to show power/ display gender differences that's when it irks me. If it does go the way Haider wants it to, Humaira will be shamed by everyone and so will Gaffur. I'm not a fan of that. No person deserved to get shamed and betrayed with sex.

I just wish it went some other way while still keeping Haider as grey.


It's meant to irk you. We aren't supposed to like what Haider did. But I will say this is less about power and gender difference and everything about a manipulative person taking advantage of an idiot. It happens the other way round too where many women "trap" men for their own purposes. It's not really power/gender it's more a lack of ethics and acknowledgment that the other person IS a person with feelings too,

@red - agreed. But yet it happens everyday in real life.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: Rupunzale

How are you Pri ?

Yay...they are married atlast😆...nothing much to say about the whole scene today...unfortunately although loving Mohit I cannot enjoy his scenes because ketki is a terrible actress...just cannot digest her awful dialogue delivery and facial expressions...I so wish that they change her before VM comes back...wishful thinking I know. Apart from that I have no sympathies for a woman who has no self respect...she is not a child...she is a woman and if she gets into a sexual relationship with a man she should be ready for the consequences too...it was consensual and not criminal from Haider's part.



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Posted: 11 years ago
#53
Now dont get me started on HaHu crap
Both disgust me right now
Shez only known him five minutes and she 'loves' him enough to get it on with him
And the line 'I trust you'
W*F if you trust him tell him some dark secrets dont go and sleep with the guy
Gosh both are bad as each other
Haider also dude thats just wrong revenge
Very VILE ACT MAN
I really cannot wait for my Ayaan to return
Its gonna be heartbreaking 🥺

BTW my opinion is not meant to hurt or offend anyone
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: HallyH

Now dont get me started on HaHu crap
Both disgust me right now
Shez only known him five minutes and she 'loves' him enough to get it on with him
And the line 'I trust you'
W*F if you trust him tell him some dark secrets dont go and sleep with the guy
Gosh both are bad as each other
Haider also dude thats just wrong revenge
Very VILE ACT MAN
I really cannot wait for my Ayaan to return
Its gonna be heartbreaking 🥺

BTW my opinion is not meant to hurt or offend anyone



@bold - you don't have to say that we are all opinions are welcome! 😳

Humeira is an idiot. She has willingly made a choice to sleep with a man she has no clue about. At the end of the day she has no one but herself to blame.

Haider to me is being unfair I agree and there was no need to involve humeira but what he has done is not criminal. Had he forced her to do it the situation would be different.

When Asad and Ayaan can trade a woman they claim to care about like she's cattle this seems just about on par if not less vile as compared to that.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great discussion everyone 😊
Being the idiot that Humeira is, she has undeservedly landed in a very wrong place. And is going to be very badly hurt. She knows her Dad loves her - all she had to do was ask him why he disliked Haider so much. Logically, it should not make sense to her - Haider is young, unmarried, rich and her Dad's business partner - in fact, her Dad welcomed him as a house guest. I don't understand how she never questioned Haider's "your dad doesn't like me; let's run away" without a 2nd thought. She didn't even think what happens after running away - Haider didn't even promise a wedding
She obviously did not deserve this but does that even matter? So many women (and men too) get molested everyday - and none of them deserve any of it. Because world does not work that way that everyone gets exactly what one deserves. Just being good is not enough - one has to be smart and cautious (and sometimes even that is not enough, you need lots of luck as well).
Haider's act was WRONG but not criminal. He has no right to play with Humeira's life - she has never wronged him. Also, I don't get his game plan (if there is any!!!) - he scares Razia as anonymous caller / blackmailer, tries to kill her, gets her signature on some paper. If his plan was centered around Humeira, what was all that about!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56
Nice post.
Didnt catch the episode yesterday, just now saw.
Was expecting Asya SR and instead got Haira SR.
Agree that Humeira deserves whatever comes her way and maybe more too.
As for Haider dumping Humeira, that would be too easy aint it?
The journey from Haider to Ayaan would be smooth for her. No, I guess Haider is gonna release some pics for the world to see.
Ayaan, now I too want him back with a new girl. Enough of the trigger happy brainless drama queen. He definitely deserves someone better.

What was the QH precap? eeks. Wasn't Nikhat shipped off to some asylum?

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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: delena90


She most definitely WASN'T raped. This is not rape. She was completely consensual in the act. Haider's motives her are immaterial to the question of rape. He didn't force himself on her. Yes Humeira will feel betrayed, hurt and used but that is the consequence she faces for willingly sleeping with a man she doesn't know.

Haider is the bad man so i don't expect better from him. Is he vile? -YES he is.

Humeira doesn't deserved to be used and thrown but she has managed to get herself into this mess quite spectacularly.

Yeah referring to Vampire Diaries and I adore Roger! 😃


Yeah Haider is a bad man and I dont expect better from him. All I wanna say is bad things cannot be supported just because it is done by a man who's already bad. And he didn't force himself on her directly because he had already created the circumstances so that he need not do so.his reason for sleeping was not even momentary attraction but was purely revenge even in the compelling situation. It would hv been different atleast if he had forgotten his revenge at that moment and was giving in to the situation. But he was very clear at his revenge even at that time. so I still consider it as criminal but cleverly criminal so that it may not appear as criminal. Not that I'm saying u r supporting his actions. just telling my pov.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: delena90


It's meant to irk you. We aren't supposed to like what Haider did. But I will say this is less about power and gender difference and everything about a manipulative person taking advantage of an idiot. It happens the other way round too where many women "trap" men for their own purposes. It's not really power/gender it's more a lack of ethics and acknowledgment that the other person IS a person with feelings too,

@red - agreed. But yet it happens everyday in real life.




But in a sense, it is a display of power, on Haider's part especially. He's basically showing off to Gaffur and Razia that 'look I have so much power over your daughter that she willingly gave me her virginity (your honour).' Even when a manipulative person takes advantage of an idiot, it's still a display of power the manipulative person has. So in many ways, Haider's usage of sex as a tool of enacting revenge from Razia and Gaffur is all about power.

And the gender differences part will be illuminated when Haider reveals to the world that Humaira is not longer 'pure.' The entire point of the sex was to shame her and her family. And if it goes the way he originally intended, the Siddiques will be shamed because their daughter, a female, had premarital sex. Yet Haider, an equal participant, a male, will probably go scott free. He's taking advantages of the different societal viewpoints regarding each gender.

Sex is a very complicated tool that differs in the way people use it. I guess I'm just really sick of how televisions shows use it in such a bad light. It's supposed to be a good thing, I mean, its partly the reason why people on this Earth are still living (not extinct).

And that's why I can't really stomach this entire thing at all. Like you point out, yes it does happen in everyday real life, and that sickens me. I just hope that the CVs handle this issue well (rather than butchering it like Ekta always does).
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Posted: 11 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: lovely_lady



But in a sense, it is a display of power, on Haider's part especially. He's basically showing off to Gaffur and Razia that 'look I have so much power over your daughter that she willingly gave me her virginity (your honour).' Even when a manipulative person takes advantage of an idiot, it's still a display of power the manipulative person has. So in many ways, Haider's usage of sex as a tool of enacting revenge from Razia and Gaffur is all about power.

And the gender differences part will be illuminated when Haider reveals to the world that Humaira is not longer 'pure.' The entire point of the sex was to shame her and her family. And if it goes the way he originally intended, the Siddiques will be shamed because their daughter, a female, had premarital sex. Yet Haider, an equal participant, a male, will probably go scott free. He's taking advantages of the different societal viewpoints regarding each gender.

Sex is a very complicated tool that differs in the way people use it. I guess I'm just really sick of how televisions shows use it in such a bad light. It's supposed to be a good thing, I mean, its partly the reason why people on this Earth are still living (not extinct).

And that's why I can't really stomach this entire thing at all. Like you point out, yes it does happen in everyday real life, and that sickens me. I just hope that the CVs handle this issue well (rather than butchering it like Ekta always does).



I am definitely not saying haider is right. But to me whether the situation was created or not humeira here is a willing participant. If tomorrow I choose to sleep with a man and he turns out to be a jackass I can't turn around and scream betrayal and hurt because I willingly made the choice to sleep with a man I didn't know.

I agree sex is a good thing. But I also think too much value is placed on it. At the end of the day it is just something that satisfies a basic need and it can be fun. A lot of the concepts around sex come from a male driven society that would like to stifle the woman's right to sexual freedom.

As for haider I am not sure he will reveal it to the world. Most likely just force gaffur and razias hand. I am not even sure they slept together. Tv always has a skewed version of sex- it's either this overly romantic take or this the cad route.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90



I am definitely not saying haider is right. But to me whether the situation was created or not humeira here is a willing participant. If tomorrow I choose to sleep with a man and he turns out to be a jackass I can't turn around and scream betrayal and hurt because I willingly made the choice to sleep with a man I didn't know.

I agree sex is a good thing. But I also think too much value is placed on it. At the end of the day it is just something that satisfies a basic need and it can be fun. A lot of the concepts around sex come from a male driven society that would like to stifle the woman's right to sexual freedom.

As for haider I am not sure he will reveal it to the world. Most likely just force gaffur and razias hand. I am not even sure they slept together. Tv always has a skewed version of sex- it's either this overly romantic take or this the cad route.




I think we're discussing different things LOL. I totally agree with you that Humaira was a willing participant. This is in no way a rape or anything. It was consensual. My gripe was with the way sex is generally used in television serials and QH was just a general example.

And I like your whole forcing Gaffur and Razia hand thing. I hadn't considered that (stupid me) and I think it's probably right. If Haider reveals the whole Humaira thing too early, he'll be loosing his cards.

Anyways, I'm just curious to see what this means for Humaira. I hope we see her journey of maturing soon (rather than some guy, prob ayan, coming to her rescue).

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