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Posted: 11 years ago

#111

Originally posted by: immigreat54

And why will they take this much time to understand? Don't they know that Zoya and Ayaan are not in love, OBVIOUSLY, that they would say Yes to each other? Weren't everyone or anyone should have asked or inquired abt this from Qazi sahab? Achanak sab ki aqalain ghaas charnay kyon chali jaati hain? Itna tehzeeb tehzeeb kartay rehtey hain Asad and Ghafoor sahab especially, they don't know anything about their religion. Aur badi bi 😕, ziada torture honay se inka dimaagh hil gaya hai shayad.

ya! even i dont understand why badi bi did like tht!

but we still cant decide anything yet!

so we have to just wait and watch!😳

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A.Hajnal

@A.Hajnal

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Posted: 11 years ago

#112

Why are people so orthodox in this forum?

Because we can THINK...we are logical human beings...we are very much involved with QH and we happen to love QH...we are a bit impatient and passionate...we like to express our oppinions and try to make other understand what we think...we like to understand what other thinks and maybe change their oppinions by giving them long and well explained replies...😆

Because we are WE...😃 lol

Coming to my thoughts about the track:-

I HATE this track...Not only because they made fun of Nikaah, Islam...or Asya or unki ki Shaadi or even Zoyaan...But because of this track I am confused and I have/had to fight an inner battle and question my own beliefs...as a girl/woman and as someone who can somehow understand that what is going to happen...(Thanks to SC aka chickSoup aka mera Soupwa chick...🤗 And my love and understanding of Asad Ahmed Khan...😳)

I HATED how they showed that Mulas and Quazis are so crazy, so un-islamic...I hated that they showed Zoya as doll, standing there and not saying anything...and that Asad was so ready to sacrifice his love, the woman who is HIS...I have always believed that a MAN can share anything and everything but not his woman/wife...NEVER...because she is his pride and Gharoor...and HIS...

And only after today's episode we or at least I understood that Asad dragged Zoya to SM only to make an appearance, do a meet and greet with Quazi and come back with her to their home...he wasn't going to let her live in SM even for a minute more then he thought was necessary, which for him was a greet with Quazi...he wasn't there to leave her there and come back...

Which makes me think that the maker did play with us...making people believe what they did believe about Asad, that he left her there and etc and bash Asad left, right and center and then today they show that Asad took Zoya to SM only for a visit but then what happened there made him let go Zoya for some days...I mean, WHY NOT show that all since the start...make your viewers understand the character's Pov and take their sweet time, don't rush before making clear what the characters are doing, to their viewers...😡

And because of that rush we also couldn't understand why Zoya was standing there and not screaming and yelling...Only now we can understand that even she thought that she was there only for a visit or MAX she will go home in 4-5 hours...and now its some weeks...😡

And this also explains us why the actors were okey and cool with all the illogica shit that they were shooting...that was because for them it was clear what was the plot of this track was as they shoot for the "Not-so-Nikaah" day/night in 2 days max...going by the fact that they work for 15-16 hours...

So all in all, looking at the whole track showed till now...what they showed and how they showed was/is Wrong, always will be...they could have done a better job...I have always thought that the editors and Cvs of QH aren't good enough as they have done many mistakes here and there...And if they are whom decided that which scene of the same day (Nikaah's day) show first and which scene to show later, they have done a very POOR job...and if it was only to gain our attention, they are simply cruel and stupid...🤢

And about Mulas and Quazis...Let me tell you, many have used and many still use name of"Islam" to only justify their wrong deeds...Many people do have wrong understanding of Islam...and they can make people go by their thinking because NO ONE knows about Islam these days...not many people know much about their own religion...Many have given community/society's behavior name of Islam...like Jaheez, asking the girl's family this and that...making demand was/isn't in Islam, but our society...but there are many people, so-called follower of Islam like Gaffur Sidi who thinks that its ok to the girl's family to bend their head in front of the boy's family...Why? because they are unfortunate as to be family of a girl and not a boy...and when your boy will get married, make demands and ask what you want because Allah has been kind to you as he gave you a son...use him and gain material thing like car,house etc...

Asad also had said that you have to sometime bend and forget your beliefs because of relations but not make of fool of your self or forget about your pride only because you are the girl's brother/father...We have seen the same Haseena bi in KM and SM...when she is in SM, she behaves like she wants, insults Nikhaat and her family...in KM the same woman does "Haan" and "Kion nahi" because of Asad...So, how much to bend and when to bend depends on the families...So,its make us understand if you consider you sister/daughter a burden, and you are ready to do anything and everything to just get rid of her, act like people in SM does...but if you are a man like Asad and a mother like Dilshaad, who consider his sister/daughter his/their pride and ghaar ki roshini, make sure wanna-be-Haseena bi knows that you will give your sister what you and your sister wants and not what wanna-be-Haseena bi wants...

So, I think so-called Quazis and Mulas like QH's do exists so the only thing we can do is to understand our own religion and try to follow what seems logical (because as a muslim I know the fact that Islam isn't logical and cruel like people make it seems like) and don't trust anyone only because they are called "Mula" or "Quazi"...reading some books or try to give your own interpretation to Quraan doesn't makes someone a Mula neither does reading namaz 5 times a day...to be called Mula, they need much more then that...

This is a crul truth that there will always be someone like these people in every religion's mula, pandit or father...so our job is to understand if they are good people or they aren't...because if person is a good human being, not matter of which religion's follower he/she is...they will always do things which are right,good and logical...

So, coming back to "Now":-

If what I saw in sbs and sbb is going to happen...then I think I am going to love to watch Zoya in a house where people all about Tameez and Tehzeeb like her Mr.Khan but aren't IN LOVE with her to have the capacity to ignore their likes and dislikes for her...because that will make her value and appreciate her Mr.Khan...

And about Asad...this track will FINALLY make him realize that enough is enough...he is NOT going to sacrifice his happiness, his life and his zindagi se bhi zyada azeez Zoya for ANYONE...because till yet we saw that he does love her enough to change his beliefs and stop thinking about Tameez and Thezeeb...But now, after all this mess, he will understand/know that he doesn't have to/will NEVER sacrifice him, his life and his zindagi se bhi zyada azeez Zoya for his family, or extended family or his son-like-brother Ayaan...he will understand that he does love them but Sacrificing Zoya or her happinesis off limits...

So, only because I think in these coming episodes Asya will learn these things, I am ok with this track but I will NEVER be happy with the start of this track or they way they have showed it...

P.s. As I said "Long" and well explained replies...But I am damn sure no one is going to read it...!!!

Edited by A.Hajnal - 11 years ago

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SOWMYA

@sowmy18

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Posted: 11 years ago

#113

Originally posted by: A.Hajnal
Why are people so orthodox in this forum?

Because we can THINK...we are logical human beings...we are very much involved with QH and we happen to love QH...we are a bit impatient and passionate...we like to express our oppinions and try to make other understand what we think...we like to understand what other thinks and maybe change their oppinions by giving them long and well explained replies...😆

Because we are WE...😃 lol

Coming to my thoughts about the track:-

I HATE this track...Not only because they made fun of Nikaah, Islam...or Asya or unki ki Shaadi or even Zoyaan...But because of this track I am confused and I have/had to fight an inner battle and question my own beliefs...as a girl/woman and as someone who can somehow understand that what is going to happen...(Thanks to SC aka chickSoup aka mera Soupwa chick...🤗 And my love and understanding of Asad Ahmed Khan...😳)

I HATED how they showed that Mulas and Quazis are so crazy, so un-islamic...I hated that they showed Zoya as doll, standing there and not saying anything...and that Asad was so ready to sacrifice his love, the woman who is HIS...I have always believed that a MAN can share anything and everything but not his woman/wife...NEVER...because she is his pride and Gharoor...and HIS...

And only after today's episode we or at least I understood that Asad dragged Zoya to SM only to make an appearance, do a meet and greet with Quazi and come back with her to their home...he wasn't going to let her live in SM even for a minute more then he thought was necessary, which for him was a greet with Quazi...he wasn't there to leave her there and come back...

Which makes me think that the maker did play with us...making people believe what they did believe about Asad, that he left her there and etc and bash Asad left, right and center and then today they show that Asad took Zoya to SM only for a visit but then what happened there made him let go Zoya for some days...I mean, WHY NOT show that all since the start...make your viewers understand the character's Pov and take their sweet time, don't rush before making clear what the characters are doing, to their viewers...😡

And because of that rush we also couldn't understand why Zoya was standing there and not screaming and yelling...Only now we can understand that even she thought that she was there only for a visit or MAX she will go home in 4-5 hours...and now its some weeks...😡

And this also explains us why the actors were okey and cool with all the illogica shit that they were shooting...that was because for them it was clear what was the plot of this track was as they shoot for the "Not-so-Nikaah" day/night in 2 days max...going by the fact that they work for 15-16 hours...

So all in all, looking at the whole track showed till now...what they showed and how they showed was/is Wrong, always will be...they could have done a better job...I have always thought that the editors and Cvs of QH aren't good enough as they have done many mistakes here and there...And if they are whom decided that which scene of the same day (Nikaah's day) show first and which scene to show later, they have done a very POOR job...and if it was only to gain our attention, they are simply cruel and stupid...🤢

And about Mulas and Quazis...Let me tell you, many have used and many still use name of"Islam" to only justify their wrong deeds...Many people do have wrong understanding of Islam...and they can make people go by their thinking because NO ONE knows about Islam these days...not many people know much about their own religion...Many have given community/society's behavior name of Islam...like Jaheez, asking the girl's family this and that...making demand was/isn't in Islam, but our society...but there are many people, so-called follower of Islam like Gaffur Sidi who thinks that its ok to the girl's family to bend their head in front of the boy's family...Why? because they are unfortunate as to be family of a girl and not a boy...and when your boy will get married, make demands and ask what you want because Allah has been kind to you as he gave you a son...use him and gain material thing like car,house etc...

Asad also had said that you have to sometime bend and forget your beliefs because of relations but not make of fool of your self or forget about your pride only because you are the girl's brother/father...We have seen the same Haseena bi in KM and SM...when she is in SM, she behaves like she wants, insults Nikhaat and her family...in KM the same woman does "Haan" and "Kion nahi" because of Asad...So, how much to bend and when to bend depends on the families...So,its make us understand if you consider you sister/daughter a burden, and you are ready to do anything and everything to just get rid of her, act like people in SM does...but if you are a man like Asad and a mother like Dilshaad, who consider his sister/daughter his/their pride and ghaar ki roshini, make sure wanna-be-Haseena bi knows that you will give your sister what you and your sister wants and not what wanna-be-Haseena bi wants...

So, I think so-called Quazis and Mulas like QH's do exists so the only thing we can do is to understand our own religion and try to follow what seems logical (because as a muslim I know the fact that Islam isn't logical and cruel like people make it seems like) and don't trust anyone only because they are called "Mula" or "Quazi"...reading some books or try to give your own interpretation to Quraan doesn't makes someone a Mula neither does reading namaz 5 times a day...to be called Mula, they need much more then that...

This is a crul truth that there will always be someone like these people in every religion's mula, pandit or father...so our job is to understand if they are good people or they aren't...because if person is a good human being, not matter of which religion's follower he/she is...they will always do things which are right,good and logical...

So, coming back to "Now":-

If what I saw in sbs and sbb is going to happen...then I think I am going to love to watch Zoya in a house where people all about Tameez and Tehzeeb like her Mr.Khan but aren't IN LOVE with her to have the capacity to ignore their likes and dislikes for her...because that will make her value and appreciate her Mr.Khan...

And about Asad...this track will FINALLY make him realize that enough is enough...he is NOT going to sacrifice his happiness, his life and his zindagi se bhi zyada azeez Zoya for ANYONE...because till yet we saw that he does love her enough to change his beliefs and stop thinking about Tameez and Thezeeb...But now, after all this mess, he will understand/know that he doesn't have to/will NEVER sacrifice him, his life and his zindagi se bhi zyada azeez Zoya for his family, or extended family or his son-like-brother Ayaan...he will understand that he does love them but Sacrificing Zoya or her happinesis off limits...

So, only because I think in these coming episodes Asya will learn these things, I am ok with this track but I will NEVER be happy with the start of this track or they way they have showed it...

P.s. As I said "Long" and well explained replies...But I am damn sure no one is going to read it...!!!

I competely agree with ur point of view!

even im not saying i like this track!

i even worry abt what happns in qh almost all day!

but all im saying is tht there is wrong in it!

but it is not worth bashing and insulting the track even before it completely plays out!

some people even left watching qh!

tht's what im more hurt about!

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A.Hajnal

@A.Hajnal

Dazzler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#114

Originally posted by: sowmy18

I competely agree with ur point of view!
even im not saying i like this track!
i even worry abt what happns in qh almost all day!
but all im saying is tht there is wrong in it!
but it is not worth bashing and insulting the track even before it completely plays out!
some people even left watching qh!
tht's what im more hurt about!

Someone on this forum said that "If you leave QH on its bad time, you don't deserved the good time" or something like that, if I am not wrong it was Sadie aka --starstruck--...so If people leave QH now then QH was just a pass time for them...And believe me, they will come back when this track will come to a good point...so don't worry...🤗

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Bee Kay

@beekay1

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#115

My POV

I don't think that the negativity is because people are being orthodox.

Right from the time we are small, our minds are being brainwashed by fairy-tales with happy-endings. The theme of all fairy-tales is "Love conquers all". As we grow up, we do know that it is a fairy-tale but deep, deep down in our hearts, all of us still have that craving in us to want to be in a fairy-tale. So when we switch on the TV and get involved in a serial like Qubool Hai, get involved in the love story of the leads, it is upsetting when things do go wrong. More so when there is no logic behind it.

Personally for me, Zoyaan could have been tolerated if the reason was not something as silly as a "sacrifice" for a person who has tried to commit suicide. The concept of accidental marriage in itself was so difficult to comprehend. but ok - being a serial one can accept it for the "twist".

No I don't have much faith in the CVs as I think they have fallen into a rut called TRP. Whoever is in charge of viewer analysis has not done a good job in analyzing what works with the audience, The CVs do not have the courage to break away from the mould... QH fell from being no 2 to being no 9 in just 3 weeks. The "Haseena track", the "Tanveer track", the suicidal track, all these tracks are age-old and the viewers who were promised a modern, different show are quite fed-up... It is upsetting to see suicide attempts being treated so lightly here,

So have a wedding that was to happen to break once is ok, but in the case of AsYa, it not just once, but thrice and on the wedding day, It has become stale. The flashback scenes again are so badly executed, especially the ones that are Asads - very obviously these are fillers to appease the audiences. But it has become stale as this a repeat concept.

To be honest the recent spoiler by Oishi, I do not have faith that it is gonna be good. Everyone is excited that AsYa are gonna meet face-to-face...but I don't have much hopes in the scene that is goning to happen, Isincerely hope Iwill be wrong.

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autumn_spring

@autumn_spring

Navigator

Posted: 11 years ago

#116

I competely agree with ur point of view!

even im not saying i like this track!

i even worry abt what happns in qh almost all day!

but all im saying is tht there is wrong in it!

but it is not worth bashing and insulting the track even before it completely plays out!

some people even left watching qh!

tht's what im more hurt about!

Hey soumy,
Yes, there are so many people left the show and I'm one of them.
my reasons are not same as you were explaining. of course it's related to zoya- ayan real/misunderstanding marriage. but marriage is not the solo reason.

I watched QH for entertainment which used to make me laugh, blush and feel the siblings/ mother/ father relationships. today i'm seeing QH which has only rona dona.. end of the day after coming from office i need a break which will relax me. not the one which makes me cry and increases my BP. Yes i was ready for zoya and ayan track. even i didn't want to see ASYA cheesy romance. But here in order to show the twist every character's original nature is manipulated. there is no logic. it's like they are just treating me(viewer) like an idiot who has no brains( purely my opinion and i felt it). I'm not ready to buy all the bullshit illogical things they show.. Moreover i need some piece of mind. rather than staying with the show and thinking of the characters who doesn't exist in real, I prefered to leave it and have my cup of coffee with piece. So please don't think eveyone has left because they wanted to see only Asya romance. there are people who left because of the illogical story telling / who wanted some relaxation and laugh which QH is not giving these days.

end of the day it's individuals personal choice whether to stay with it or leave it. and i respect their choice.

PS: I'm so enjoying my life without QH. it's not at all hard. Now i only have one person who tests my intelligence.. My husband. 😉

you may wonder what I'm doing in QH forum. just some time pass in weekends, following my favorite FFs and my favorite members posts. you are one of them and hence replying. 😊

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KambakthIshq

@KambakthIshq

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Posted: 11 years ago

#117

ek sawaal dear...

after all what happened past few weeks...are you ready and willing and waiting for AsYa and Ayra to reunite?

Zoya and Ayaan are married... maybe the NIkah will be annualed...but it doesn't change the fact they are/ were married.

now..AM I orthodox to find it disgusting to see a man getting back with his little brothers wife?

AM I orthodox to find it disgusting to see Ayaan married to both sisters and Zoya being married to both brothers?

Najma getting married to her Sisters fiance.

NIkhat getting engaed to her ex-finace's brother.

If Yes, then I'm guilty😃 The above scenarios are really disturbing.

First off Im heart broken to see Zoya-Ayaan accidental NIkah and to top it I get even more depressed with the talks of AsYa getting back.

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sheilasandhu

@sheilasandhu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#118

Originally posted by: KambakthIshq
ek sawaal dear...
after all what happened past few weeks...are you ready and willing and waiting for AsYa and Ayra to reunite?
Zoya and Ayaan are married... maybe the NIkah will be annualed...but it doesn't change the fact they are/ were married.

now..AM I orthodox to find it disgusting to see a man getting back with his little brothers wife?
AM I orthodox to find it disgusting to see Ayaan married to both sisters and Zoya being married to both brothers?
Najma getting married to her Sisters fiance.
NIkhat getting engaed to her ex-finace's brother.

If Yes, then I'm guilty😃 The above scenarios are really disturbing.

First off Im heart broken to see Zoya-Ayaan accidental NIkah and to top it I get even more depressed with the talks of AsYa getting back.

You hit the nail on the head here. For people who are so concern about what the muhaleh wale will say and what society will say , they are sure heading for stick and stones and rotten tomatoes and dung being flung at them and their families.

Such ironic things do not happen in reality. First and foremost any girl who has even an ounce of brain would not agree to marry the brother of the man she proclaimed she loved and who dumped her for her half sister.

Secondly a brother , whatever the freaking and idiotic reason can be would never sacrifice is LOVE/ FIANCEE/ WIFE to his younger brother let alone anyone else. You would rather let that woman go free and suffer than to send her to another man temporarily or permanently.

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SOWMYA

@sowmy18

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#119

Originally posted by: A.Hajnal

Someone on this forum said that "If you leave QH on its bad time, you don't deserved the good time" or something like that, if I am not wrong it was Sadie aka --starstruck--...so If people leave QH now then QH was just a pass time for them...And believe me, they will come back when this track will come to a good point...so don't worry...🤗

ur awesome!

and very well said!👏

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SOWMYA

@sowmy18

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#120

Originally posted by: beekay1
My POV

I don't think that the negativity is because people are being orthodox.

Right from the time we are small, our minds are being brainwashed by fairy-tales with happy-endings. The theme of all fairy-tales is "Love conquers all". As we grow up, we do know that it is a fairy-tale but deep, deep down in our hearts, all of us still have that craving in us to want to be in a fairy-tale. So when we switch on the TV and get involved in a serial like Qubool Hai, get involved in the love story of the leads, it is upsetting when things do go wrong. More so when there is no logic behind it.

Personally for me, Zoyaan could have been tolerated if the reason was not something as silly as a "sacrifice" for a person who has tried to commit suicide. The concept of accidental marriage in itself was so difficult to comprehend. but ok - being a serial one can accept it for the "twist".

No I don't have much faith in the CVs as I think they have fallen into a rut called TRP. Whoever is in charge of viewer analysis has not done a good job in analyzing what works with the audience, The CVs do not have the courage to break away from the mould... QH fell from being no 2 to being no 9 in just 3 weeks. The "Haseena track", the "Tanveer track", the suicidal track, all these tracks are age-old and the viewers who were promised a modern, different show are quite fed-up... It is upsetting to see suicide attempts being treated so lightly here,

So have a wedding that was to happen to break once is ok, but in the case of AsYa, it not just once, but thrice and on the wedding day, It has become stale. The flashback scenes again are so badly executed, especially the ones that are Asads - very obviously these are fillers to appease the audiences. But it has become stale as this a repeat concept.

To be honest the recent spoiler by Oishi, I do not have faith that it is gonna be good. Everyone is excited that AsYa are gonna meet face-to-face...but I don't have much hopes in the scene that is goning to happen, Isincerely hope Iwill be wrong.