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Posted: 12 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: vrohee



Its a public forum. Anyone can "interrupt".

I never said Asad was a rapist. I was just using the same words as -Aimz-

And here, we are speaking from Asad's POV. So he will consider it rape since that was what he was told by Tanveer. She also said "Hum aapko rok nahin paaye"
A general example, if teenager slept with someone else its still considered statutory rape though there is consent from both.
In context, if he hadn't forced himself on her then she wouldn't have done that. Right?

I am sorry if I have offended you. Rape doesn't necessarily mean an unknown person forcing themselves upon you. There are others too.


No offence taken dear...a teenager sleeping with someone with consent is statutory rape because a teenager is legally below the designated age to sleep with someone..now in our country that's not the case anymore as the legal age is down to 16...Asad is not a teenager...

Yes in context if he hadn't forced himself upon her she would not have given in...but is that the excuse?? For example, if some man forces himself upon a self respecting woman and she cannot defend herself and sex is forced upon her..we will call it rape..and she will go to the authorities and report, isn't it?

Does Tanveer's body language suggest any such thing? She said woh behak gayi...a rape victim does not say ki woh behak gaya...

And obviously rape is not an unknown person forcing sex on another person...rape is only one person forcing sex on another person...it need not be unknown...marital rapes for one...

to me..when tanveer said ki woh bhi behak gayi..from that moment onwards...it was consensual...

P.S: Rape unfortunately in our country does not account for all the horrendous ways it can be done...it has to be forced sex to be labelled rape...if any other weapon is used as a means of sexual assault, it is sadly not even rape...it is only assault...and the punishment is also less severe...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: vrohee



I think there was a mention of a crush between them too. I haven't seen JaaNU scenes either but I remember some references to it.
Which makes it all the more awkward for all of them to behave like nothing happened while Asad wallows in guilt. Dilshad is giving him the silent treatment yet never said a word to Tanveer beyond that indirect order to get out?


Let's get this straight:

1- If Tanveer implied it was rape...then her chummy reactions imply otherwise. She should have yelled, screamed, kicked at Asad for doing such a horrendous deed instead of touching him at every opportunity and f**king consoling him all the time.

2- If she says it was mutual...then shouldn't Asad expect her to be guilty too? Shouldn't he change his opinion of her being this tehzeeb yaafta, ba-adab aurat? He was treating her as some kind of saint, with the "Mein tumhein badnaam nahin hone doonga" bullshit 🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: trina2010

I hate Tanveer but I failed to understand Asad today. Is he trying to keep both women in his life even after this?

I mean on one side he is acting all crazy and mad for Zoya and begging for her forgiveness and on the other hand getting all comfy, friendly with Billi with whom he supposedly slept with and ruined Zoyas life.
WTH?😡


I didn't like Tannu-Jammy scene either but I don't get where did you get the impression he wants both women? Is there any still doubt in his love for Zoya? Where did he give the impression he wants Tannu? & I honestly didn't see him feeling comfy with Tannu! I get that scene was weird and I didn't like it a bit but all these false accusations aren't right either. & NO he didn't ask her for forgiveness at all. When did he ask for forgiveness?? He just told her his feelings for her and he said he'll always love her whether she forgives him or not. Even today, he just asked for well-being, no where did he say he wants her! He's not forcing her into anything. & Asad did NOT bring Tanveer with him. She came there. Aren't they both going to ask forgiveness for their sins? Isn't that what Tanveer said? Did you miss out on how lost and broken he looks?
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Posted: 12 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes


No offence taken dear...a teenager sleeping with someone with consent is statutory rape because a teenager is legally below the designated age to sleep with someone..now in our country that's not the case anymore as the legal age is down to 16...Asad is not a teenager...

Yes in context if he hadn't forced himself upon her she would not have given in...but is that the excuse?? For example, if some man forces himself upon a self respecting woman and she cannot defend herself and sex is forced upon her..we will call it rape..and she will go to the authorities and report, isn't it?

Does Tanveer's body language suggest any such thing? She said woh behak gayi...a rape victim does not say ki woh behak gaya...

And obviously rape is not an unknown person forcing sex on another person...rape is only one person forcing sex on another person...it need not be unknown...marital rapes for one...

to me..when tanveer said ki woh bhi behak gayi..from that moment onwards...it was consensual...

P.S: Rape unfortunately in our country does not account for all the horrendous ways it can be done...it has to be forced sex to be labelled rape...if any other weapon is used as a means of sexual assault, it is sadly not even rape...it is only assault...and the punishment is also less severe...



There are many women in real life who don't report too. Tanveer, according to everyone is old school and traditional. She wouldn't consider it especially since its her friend and he offered her shelter, tried to keep her safe from her husband.
A murder attempt did go unreported so why not this?
Of all the wrongs in the show we picked up a very sensitive one.
Agreeing wholeheartedly is different and being coerced is different. Tanveer is trying to put herself in the second category.

P.S: Lets not talk about that here. Its too depressing.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#75
I am just sick and tired of this perverted monster running loose everywhere 🤢 Dressing up in a suit ala Mughal-E-Azam whilst being at least 3 months pregnant, executing these utterly DIABOLICAL plans and getting away with ALL THESE SHITTY PLANS 😡

And now she'll claim Jammy is the father of the baccha in her kokk 🤢 Great. Just great.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: -Aimz-

Let's get this straight:

1- If Tanveer implied it was rape...then her chummy reactions imply otherwise. She should have yelled, screamed, kicked at Asad for doing such a horrendous deed instead of touching him at every opportunity and f**king consoling him all the time.

2- If she says it was mutual...then shouldn't Asad expect her to be guilty too? Shouldn't he change his opinion of her being this tehzeeb yaafta, ba-adab aurat? He was treating her as some kind of saint, with the "Mein tumhein badnaam nahin hone doonga" bullshit 🤢



Oh. She tried alright. She said she pushed him off but had to give in coz he was "too strong" for her.
She said she feels guilty too. She said that the day Asad questioned her about it. She even offered to speak to Zoya.

If you've been reading the reports of all the rapes that have happened recently, you wouldn't need to ask that. Have you seen the reactions? People are still inclined to blame the woman. The victim is treated as an outcast rather than trying to help her.
In other words, its the Indian society today.

About everything related to Asad: His brain isn't functioning.
Edited by vrohee - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: ..Kirann..


I didn't like Tannu-Jammy scene either but I don't get where did you get the impression he wants both women? Is there any still doubt in his love for Zoya? Where did he give the impression he wants Tannu? & I honestly didn't see him feeling comfy with Tannu! I get that scene was weird and I didn't like it a bit but all these false accusations aren't right either. & NO he didn't ask her for forgiveness at all. When did he ask for forgiveness?? He just told her his feelings for her and he said he'll always love her whether she forgives him or not. Even today, he just asked for well-being, no where did he say he wants her! He's not forcing her into anything. & Asad did NOT bring Tanveer with him. She came there. Aren't they both going to ask forgiveness for their sins? Isn't that what Tanveer said? Did you miss out on how lost and broken he looks?

No he doesn't but his character is behaving in such a odd OTT way with Billi such kind of conclusions are not impossible.
Friends or not after what transpired between them( supposedly) this level of comfort is not normal. Asad still very much tuned to Billi and to be honest a friend doesn't exactly remains a friend after they sleep with each other isn't it?
Moreover Asad , Tanu is not exactly shown to be some ultra modern people who doesn't care and remain friends and close even after a one night stand .i didn't understand Jaamy Tanu relationship even after this fiasco. I could relate to Asad after the mishap but today I was totally confused about him once agin.
Sorry but this is my pov after watching the episode. No offense.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: KulfiBai

I am just sick and tired of this perverted monster running loose everywhere 🤢 Dressing up in a suit ala Mughal-E-Azam whilst being at least 3 months pregnant, executing these utterly DIABOLICAL plans and getting away with ALL THESE SHITTY PLANS 😡

And now she'll claim Jammy is the father of the baccha in her kokk 🤢 Great. Just great.

Disgusting but you know what. Even after this when he will not listen to Zoyas words about Tanveer being evil once again and play a responsible expecting father with Tanu many forum people will say that WTH. Zoya was not able to expose Tanu and hence Asad is right in taking care of his future baby mom.
What's worst is some even are going to go GAGA over his cuteness once again as a dotting would be baby dad. 🥱
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Posted: 12 years ago
#79

Originally posted by: -Aimz-


Let's get this straight:

1- If Tanveer implied it was rape...then her chummy reactions imply otherwise. She should have yelled, screamed, kicked at Asad for doing such a horrendous deed instead of touching him at every opportunity and f**king consoling him all the time.

2- If she says it was mutual...then shouldn't Asad expect her to be guilty too? Shouldn't he change his opinion of her being this tehzeeb yaafta, ba-adab aurat? He was treating her as some kind of saint, with the "Mein tumhein badnaam nahin hone doonga" bullshit 🤢


that...sadly is his biggest character flaw...judgemental, prejudiced and extremely low on self esteem..Asad's exterior is a facade...its fake...deep down he is that 10 year old boy whose father left his mother and them for another woman...the fear of cheating is so ingrained in his psyche that it took very little to push him off the edge...what more can u expect from a man who has been punishing himself for a crime he was yet to commit or would possibly never commit (his distancing himself from Zoya early on coz of the fear that he would hurt her)...he is dangerously insecure and can be easily manipulated..add to it his problem of not trusting new people easily and of not distrusting his own circle (tanveer included)...Asad is a lethal cocktail of narrow minded judgements and misplaced trust...some may find it illogical but Asad's character can now be seen in stark clarity...he had been repeatedly saying to his mom, himself etc that he will become his father...i used to think why he is over-exaggerating this fear...but look at him now...his fear has muddled everything in his life...we all hate tanveer and this jammy-tannu thingy...but people like Asad, who do not trust themselves, place their trust in a select few around them (tanveer once was a part, maybe a good one, of his incomplete childhood- think if it, she is the only friend of Asad)..there is nothing to tanveer's credit except being at the right place at the right time...they would be shaken to their core if any one of this inner circle broke their trust and they prefer to keep their eyes closed...I am not justifying Asad...he needs a psychiatrist to get him out of this fictional world of his...And if someone asks me about AsYa marriage at this point of time, i would say it would be a disaster of epic proportions..Asad needs to sort himself out...Zoya can only bring out glimpses of normalcy in him..but there has to be a permanent solution
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: realitybites

It does seem nothing great is coming out of AJmer track except that Zoya somehow concluded that Asad might be innocent and he was drugged. And Tanu tried to kill Zoya three times!!😆😆 and failed. And yeah the confession. Asad even after praying from his heart still cannot THINK. Why Zoya was buried in the wall? What did she want to say? Nope, Tanu is here so let me entertain her😆😆


This track has gone to hell in Ajmer. Truly disgusting nonsensical and really an offense to anyone with brains. Assad is crying like a water pot and follows his master tannu like a bitch. This show is going to die an early death like ipkknd.

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