Why does Baba do that?

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Ever since Prats came into Krishna's life he has put her front and center, put her needs ahead of his own. He has taken all kinds of taunts, ridicule, outbursts, emotional blackmail from his family just to defend, protect and take care of her and keep her happy.

Even if she thought he kidnapped her at first, didn't she know him a little better after all that time she spent with him and watching him on a daily basis given he was constantly hovering around her all the time. Was she so blind to not see any good in him at all? E kounsi aurath hai who could not trust her own eyes and instincts about the person she lived with day in and day out?

Why was Krishna going through all this abuse from his family and her? What did he get in return for all that heartache? Was he guilty he brought her to that hell hole and therefore willing to take all her push backs verbal or otherwise? He loved her and still does inspite of being in hell himself.

Now she is guilty for Krishna's present condition in more ways than one. When will guilt be out of the picture between these two? Should Krishna accept her expressions of love readily given that it's a sudden turn around after the recent events in the courtroom and the consequent distance between them?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: MERARAI

Ever since Prats came into Krishna's life he has put her front and center, put her needs ahead of her own. He has taken all likes of taunts, ridicule, outbursts, emotional blackmail from his family just to defend, protect and take care of her and keep her happy.

Even if she thought he kidnapped her at first, didn't she know him a little better after all that time she spent with him and watching him on a daily basis given he was constantly hovering around her all the time. Was she so blind to not see any good in him at all? E kounsi aurath hai who could not trust her own eyes and instincts about the person she lived with day in and day out?

Why was Krishna going through all this abuse from his family and her? What did he get in return for all that heartache? Was he guilty he brought her to that hell hole and therefore willing to take all her push backs verbal or otherwise? He loved her and still does inspite of being in hell himself.

Now she is guilty for Krishna's present condition in more ways than one. When will guilt be out of the picture between these two? Should Krishna accept her expressions of love readily given that it's a sudden turn around after the recent events in the courtroom and the consequent distance between them?

Bolbo!😃

Nice topic Merarai. Well, I think even though yeah she thought he kidnapped her and later on he was nice to her, her middle-class morals kind of ruled her and she couldn't let herself trust him. I know he has defended her again and again, but he has also felt torn between his family and her. How can we forget the scene where he told her that any betrayal by a wife would result in death? Who would want to confess after that? Trust goes both ways, and Krishna's family doesn't want their Baba to trust her, they will do anything in their power to stop that. Yes, she is guilty, but not completely. How many times did her father make her promise not to tell him. So she was caught in the middle. How can we make Prats take the blame when they were both in the middle of their bond and their previous bond with their families. And even when Prats did tell the truth on the witness stand, Krishna did end up sparing her life but it was not to be expected. Prats had every reason to think he would have killed her, knowing the values he was raised with. And knowing Prats was kidnapped, now people may taunt Krishna again and only she can reestablish the bond between them that has been broken. She and his friends who risked their lives to help her. It was only after the trial ended, that we saw Krishna's transformation from SS heir to a human being. And that was to the credit of Pratigya. A lot of what Krishna is going through is because his own father would not allow him to love of his own free will, his father did everything to make it look like he supported him when all he cared for was his election. They are a selfish lot, and if you want to blame someone, then make them share the blame too.
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Originally posted by: trina_one

Nice topic Merarai. Well, I think even though yeah she thought he kidnapped her and later on he was nice to her, her middle-class morals kind of ruled her and she couldn't let herself trust him. I know he has defended her again and again, but he has also felt torn between his family and her. How can we forget the scene where he told her that any betrayal by a wife would result in death? Who would want to confess after that? Trust goes both ways, and Krishna's family doesn't want their Baba to trust her, they will do anything in their power to stop that. Yes, she is guilty, but not completely. How many times did her father make her promise not to tell him. So she was caught in the middle. How can we make Prats take the blame when they were both in the middle of their bond and their previous bond with their families. And even when Prats did tell the truth on the witness stand, Krishna did end up sparing her life but it was not to be expected. Prats had every reason to think he would have killed her, knowing the values he was raised with. And knowing Prats was kidnapped, now people may taunt Krishna again and only she can reestablish the bond between them that has been broken. She and his friends who risked their lives to help her. It was only after the trial ended, that we saw Krishna's transformation from SS heir to a human being. And that was to the credit of Pratigya. A lot of what Krishna is going through is because his own father would not allow him to love of his own free will, his father did everything to make it look like he supported him when all he cared for was his election. They are a selfish lot, and if you want to blame someone, then make them share the blame too.



How did blame come into this? 😲😕I am not assigning blame to anyone? I am trying to understand what kind of a mindset one has to have to not trust their instincts or their own experiences one to one with a person and come to some understanding of who the other person is.

She has seen how his family taunts and abuses his love for her right in front of her. If she is protrayed as someone who is a "sachchayi ka saath dene wali" then shouldn't that extend to stand up and tell him what she sees even if she presumes he won't listen? There have been times when she has not let up and forced him to see things her way. Why didn't she feel the need to protect him from his family when she saw what it did to him? He even told her many times how how his family ridicules his love for her.

But none of it seemed to register with her. I am wondering if she is a woman who is not comfortable with trusting her intuition but tows the line and lives life based on the principles drilled into her by her family. There are people who live by the book and don't budge from the world they know, could be fear of the unknown or they are just plain rigid personalities that don't know how to go with the flow.

I am curious to see how she justifies her stance once she meets Krishna again. Will guilt play a big role in trying to straighten things between them with an urgency. When guilt and grief are front and center, real love can't thrive.
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I think you're right if you mean that they both feel guilty. Krishna feels bad for what his family does to his wife, and she feels bad now for what she has kept from him. Baba has put up with both ends, and he doesn't know what is what, how he feels anymore, that is why he left. Yes, he can't bear the sight of her, but he can't bear a life without her more than that. And Pratigya is feeling the guilt of keeping her secret from him, but did her parents encourage her to be honest? She made a difficult choice and she is paying for it. They will have to move beyond this secret past which is no longer secret, and to do that they will need their friends. They will need love. Maybe Prats does not go weak in the knees whenever Krishna looks at her, but we can't assume she doesn't care for him at all. Too early to call it love. Krishna feels that she put her father before him, so yeah he is hurt.
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Originally posted by: trina_one

I think you're right if you mean that they both feel guilty. Krishna feels bad for what his family does to his wife, and she feels bad now for what she has kept from him. Baba has put up with both ends, and he doesn't know what is what, how he feels anymore, that is why he left. Yes, he can't bear the sight of her, but he can't bear a life without her more than that. And Pratigya is feeling the guilt of keeping her secret from him, but did her parents encourage her to be honest? She made a difficult choice and she is paying for it. They will have to move beyond this secret past which is no longer secret, and to do that they will need their friends. They will need love. Maybe Prats does not go weak in the knees whenever Krishna looks at her, but we can't assume she doesn't care for him at all. Too early to call it love. Krishna feels that she put her father before him, so yeah he is hurt.



I believe they will fall in love down the road. Right now even when he is in ICU it will be guilt that he is in that situation bec' of her. Just more guilt piling up on an what's there. She has to work through all that. She has to do all the work she has put off in getting her marriage moving forward all these months once he recovers. This is will be a huge wake up call to her and she has to convince Krishna it's not all an act to appease her guilt but he really means something more than a in-name only petidev. She has her work cut out for her. It will be great to see Krishna being on the receiving end of some TLC.😉 About time too!😳
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Mera,
Interesting post!!!
Everyone here ponder about the same!!!
What is a woman if he cannot listen to her intuitions and just saty rigid to certian principles that is given to her by her family??? -- a valid Question!!
If she cannot do anything or not tries to do anything taht could help a human come out of his trance who loves her so much than his life, who is going thru this turmoil because of her - then wat principles is she talking about??
Being humane comes above everything and if she cannot allow herself to be more humane int he name of principles..then the very basics of her upbringing n education become nothing.
She must understand that with not jsut feeling the guilt but with pure love and open arms that she should bring him out of his grief!!
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Originally posted by: HamiSky

Mera,

Interesting post!!!
Everyone here ponder about the same!!!
What is a woman if he cannot listen to her intuitions and just saty rigid to certian principles that is given to her by her family??? -- a valid Question!!
If she cannot do anything or not tries to do anything taht could help a human come out of his trance who loves her so much than his life, who is going thru this turmoil because of her - then wat principles is she talking about??
Being humane comes above everything and if she cannot allow herself to be more humane int he name of principles..then the very basics of her upbringing n education become nothing.
She must understand that with not jsut feeling the guilt but with pure love and open arms that she should bring him out of his grief!!



Hey Hami!

I've been discussing this with a few other posters here since she got married to Krishna about what makes someone so out of sync with their own GPS system? Granted she was earlier on royally ticked off at him. But she got to know him. So why did she not go with what she knew from living with him. Is she one of those structured people who, even if they are led to see things differently than they are used to do they try to control their behavior for fear of the unknown or their own rigidity and incapacity to live in the present moment and go with the flow.
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Ohh u mean to say dat y she cudnt bring herself to accept him from what she had come to know of him all dese days??
Lets see in 2 different conditions:
Before she knew the truth - in this case she made a very rigid decision to herself that no matter what "am not going to give in". From her POV, he forced her to accept this marriage and she was like she wouldnt allow him to get those blissful things that he expected of thi marraige. She was reminding herself again n again that Krishna tried only act nice and is not actually good. This thoughts were strengthened by her some of Krishna's deeds as well. She was deliberately adamant in sticking to her stand.
After knowing the truth - though she couldnt hate him, she couldnt love him either. May be coz she dint at all had little thoughts that she would end up marrying such a man, accept him, and in turn love him and aove all not into such family where she finds nothing worth of. She was like I didnt do any mistake and why am I should bear the brunt of loving such a man who could be easily despised as of unworthy by her morales that her family had taught her.
All these time wen she felt she is at no wrong...she bounded by her rigid principles did not want to get into any real realtionship with her husband. I must sa she chose to be a bit narrow-minded!
It is only after realising that it was because of HER that her husband is going thru all these insults and trauma...she broadened her views and felt the need to luk into the matter from Krishna's side also. His undeterred support had further kindled some strong feelings for her now!!
she just has learned that life cannot move in a straight path n one has to take twists n turns to make the journey smoother!!
Hope I made some sense!! :-)
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Originally posted by: HamiSky

Ohh u mean to say dat y she cudnt bring herself to accept him from what she had come to know of him all dese days??

Lets see in 2 different conditions:
Before she knew the truth - in this case she made a very rigid decision to herself that no matter what "am not going to give in". From her POV, he forced her to accept this marriage and she was like she wouldnt allow him to get those blissful things that he expected of thi marraige. She was reminding herself again n again that Krishna tried only act nice and is not actually good. This thoughts were strengthened by her some of Krishna's deeds as well. She was deliberately adamant in sticking to her stand.
After knowing the truth - though she couldnt hate him, she couldnt love him either. May be coz she dint at all had little thoughts that she would end up marrying such a man, accept him, and in turn love him and aove all not into such family where she finds nothing worth of. She was like I didnt do any mistake and why am I should bear the brunt of loving such a man who could be easily despised as of unworthy by her morales that her family had taught her.
All these time wen she felt she is at no wrong...she bounded by her rigid principles did not want to get into any real realtionship with her husband. I must sa she chose to be a bit narrow-minded!
It is only after realising that it was because of HER that her husband is going thru all these insults and trauma...she broadened her views and felt the need to luk into the matter from Krishna's side also. His undeterred support had further kindled some strong feelings for her now!!
she just has learned that life cannot move in a straight path n one has to take twists n turns to make the journey smoother!!
Hope I made some sense!! :-)



Guilt is a great catalyst, we tend to address issues in life from a place of guilt readily than common sense. The conscience has a way of breaking through all the barriers one way or another at one time or another. Emotional blackmail is nothing more than an extreme form of guilt trip. Her family has been subtle about their emotional blackmail. It was often cloaked in "Hum itni pareshaan hai, humara kya hoga, tumari shaadi-shuda zindagi barbadh ho jayega" etc. If she had stepped back and looked at it she could have asked herself the question "what shaadi-shuda zindagi is it, it's all just in-name only" but Prats rarely learned to questione her father's stance bec' she loved him too much and she believed he knew it all. Now she is going to realize her father is just a little ahead of her in a few ways on the learning curve of life.

Komal is uneducated and yet when she challenges or reasons with her sasural she hits the nail on the head. She like Krishna is street smart and thinks on her feet more than the Sucksenas do. Prof. is so rigid and has boxed his family into the sanskaari mold that he feels threatened at the thought of stepping out of it. But his children's marriages have forced him at times to do it. We see Shamu blaming the Takurs at the drop of a hat. A few times Krishna's reasoning has startled him as well.😆 It made sense. But have we once seen the Prof. actually take the time to think "why is it that Krishna, Komal behave the way they do?" He chalks it up to the lack of sanskaari upbringing bec' he is not ready to see the truth that he needs to face up to, just another ego trip about knowing it all due to his education.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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this guilt feeling has actually taken into the path of love...otherwise she wudnt have dreamt of Krishna coming closer to her and she be not just ahppy about it but she hugs him as well..

and yes its high time she learns from her husband to take decisions based on intuitions as well than just rely on theoratical rigid principles n bookish knowledge....

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