Do we want LOVE or SUBMISSION?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I have begun to write this because I am seriously disturbed by some of the stuff that is being said on this forum.

"Pratigya deserves to be hit"

"Pratigya deserves to be slapped"

"Pratigya deserves to be publicly humiliated"

"Pratigya deserves to be left for another woman"

"Pratigya deserves to be groveling on her knees"

"Pratigya is not a woman"

I understand that we are all romantics, idealists even. That we feel bad because we see that love is not being reciprocated. Because we sense something of an inequality. But are the above sentiments those of idealists? I am not a rabid feminist. But when I find member's of my own sex wanting to beat slap and insult a woman because she refuses to relate to a man unless it is with the equation of equal love, I wonder if we are not breeding another generation of Ammas and Piyasiyas who are the firsts among the chauvinist; the first to throw stones at their sisters.

Let me try an re-examine the facts of the case to see if these sentiments are worthy of us –

I was tempted at first to make a tabular column of all the good and bad things Pratigya and Krishna have done for each other and really try and see mathematically how the equation stands. At a glance it would seem like a long list of wrongs and rights in Krishna's column and a few rights and one big wrong on Pratigya's column. Actually it does not make any sense to make this tally because both have insulted each other both have suffered because of the other. It basically boils down to this-

Krishna loves Pratigya. He has forced himself, his lifestyle, family and now even his value-system on her. He has stopped again and again from forcing himself physically on her and for this piece of nobility we have given him repeated praise.

Pratigya does not love Krishna. To us, the forum members who see how wonderful Krishna is, how funny, how loving, how sexy, how forceful! It may seem unbelievable that someone can resist this irresistible man! But the truth is Pratigya, who has seen his coercion, his crassness, his pig-headedness, his violence, his arrogance is able to resist it. We may wonder at her but what I am trying to say is that we CANNOT blame her. No human being should be forced to love someone. LOVE CANNOT BE FORCED. LOVE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED.

So this is the bottom equation-

KRISHNA LOVES AND FORCES HIS LOVE ON HER = PRATIGYA DOES NOT LOVE (YET) AND SO WITHHOLDS HERSELF AND OFFERS NO LOVE

However much we may feel that it is nobler to love than to withhold love, I am trying to say that to victimize somebody for their inability to love someone, especially under coercion, is WRONG!

About the assertion that Pratigya uses Krishna:

Pratigya has not married Krishna under false pretences. She has not used his money. She has not tried to use his political power. She has never used his protection even to save her from her in-laws. She did not use him in Kesar's case. She has not actively sought to change him until recently, when she has started accepting him as a friend and husband. She only asked him to go with her because it would otherwise cause greater tension. (the last time she went without asking him (that night), Krishna was very upset with her and so were members of this forum! ) so she took him along not because she cannot hire a Rickshaw but because he would otherwise feel very alienated.

If anything, we are getting upset because Pratigya is a strong woman and she does not really need Krishna for anything. Our collective ego's are getting hurt on his behalf. But I ask you this - must a man-woman equation be based on mutually need?

She seeks his help and protection; He needs her for sex and to boost his ego. The classic relationship game. Is this what we want?

So basically we want Pratigya to need Krishna for protection and acknowledge this need, so that she may be honour-bound to offer him sex in return. Is it not much much much better for Krishna and Pratigya to offer each other Love and nothing but LOVE? Can we really not wait for this without finding punching bags for our frustration and victims for our wrath?

I am watching this serial not to see Pratigya mastered by Krishna, not to see her give-in in defeat, but to see her falling in love. In love beyond her initial distrust and revulsion, in spite of her different outlook and background, overcoming her anger in having been treated carelessly and roughly. To fall in love, after making that all important journey from the mind to the heart! But it is her journey, all the sweeter for having touched all the milestones and one that she will make in good time; and we must wait without throwing stones at her on the way. For those like me who find this journey both exciting and difficult to bear I give you this quote from Mirza Ghalib-

Ashiqui sabr-talb aur tammana betaab

Dil ka kya rang karoon khoon-e-jigar hote tak?

Love demands patience and desire is restless

How do I colour my heart till the liver supplies it with life-blood/I find release?

It is my humble suggestion that we colour our hearts with the red of love, instead the red of violence.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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beautiful thread dear.....just loved reading it.......👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
well i sometimes get really pissed of at pratigya.......for her behavior with krishna.... bt i nvr want her to get hit,to get hurt,slapped,etc etc..... (yaaa that i pray day and night for her stupid family though 😆) and i too want her to fall in true LOVE.........with krishna....😳
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Very beautiful and verrry verry sensible!!!
yeah... many of us who see Krishna handsome, good, loving etc fail to see Pratigya as a woman...
She must fall in love with him.......thats more important.............
realationship between husband n wife shud be on the basis of love..trust and understanding!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaasshh

beautiful thread dear.....just loved reading it.......👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

well i sometimes get really pissed of at pratigya.......for her behavior with krishna.... bt i nvr want her to get hit,to get hurt,slapped,etc etc..... (yaaa that i pray day and night for her stupid family though 😆) and i too want her to fall in true LOVE.........with krishna....😳

No dear Kaasshuu!!!
She is not usinf him fora nything!!! Luk at teh way she tried to make him out of her maika...
she was trying to be polite...and was quite worried that he shud not be hurt ....she has to make Krishna out of the place.........
we cud see in SBB yday that she is worried about Krishna amgry sbout smth n not talking to her..
her attitude towards Krishna is certainly changed now..and she is beautifully portraying it ..
from PRatigya's side..faling in love can happen gradually.........in fact verry gradually..
juz coz Krishna is handsome...his wife who had been hating him all this while cannot fall in love all of a sudden....
wat do u think of a woman who got married to a person whom she doesnt even want to love..moved with him into his house.....
now she doesnt hate him..but has accepted him as a companaion to talk about things...
remember she told about his frenz...wanted to know what changes did he see in her... and how
she is suddenly feeling to miss her family so much...
Bauji is willing to take Prof out b4 elections
she did share everything she felt except Angad
She wud certainly told him verything had her father not demanded such a promise!!!
it all happens dear, between a couple...
u r thinking or expecting of somehting very ideal...kiddo!!! :-)
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Posted: 15 years ago
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vry nicely written! ... i too get angry at her pratigya but wud never evn in my dreams wud want her to b slapped or raped or left behind! , its not dat i hate pratigya , its just dat i LOVE krishna more thn pratigya above all i want KRIYA to cum tgether , wud defin not wnt krishna to force himself upon her i agree wd u , pratigya shd cum to krishna coz she loves him not coz he forces her nd v hope to c dat happening soon!
lubbbbbb u krishnaaaaaa
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Thank you, for this post. I like you was seriously disturbed by some of the post. As you stated love cannot be forced it has to come gradually from the heart. And we need to give Pratigya time to fall in love.
Edited by meerag - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kaaash, HamiSky! Thanks so much, sweets!
My main point is - would it be any fun if Pratigya was one of those self-sacrificing spineless women who submit to a man in the name of stree dharam or tyag or ablaa naaripan without an ounce of love? Basically because she needs a man to protect her like kesar? Does Kesar for all her respectful submissive ways love Shakti? I would say, not even as much as Pratigya is now beginnig to be fond of Krishna
If Pratigya had slept with Krishna, on the first day and then proceeded to treat all his domination in the way that Kesar treats Shakti, but at the same time not given him any love, would not Krishna have lost all respect for her and proceeded to behave with her exactly as the men in his family treat their wives?
Would Krishna have even realized that what he was missing is true love?
The difference between Pratigya and Kesar is the difference between Krishna and Shakti. You cannot change a man through physical submission it has to be to a voluntary submission of the heart. If Pratigya behaved like Kesar she would have got and deserved another Shakti.


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Beautifully written👏 I hope this acts as an eye opener to our fellow forum members😊
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Originally posted by: HamiSky

No dear Kaasshuu!!!

She is not usinf him fora nything!!! Luk at teh way she tried to make him out of her maika...
she was trying to be polite...and was quite worried that he shud not be hurt ....she has to make Krishna out of the place.........
we cud see in SBB yday that she is worried about Krishna amgry sbout smth n not talking to her..
her attitude towards Krishna is certainly changed now..and she is beautifully portraying it ..
from PRatigya's side..faling in love can happen gradually.........in fact verry gradually..
juz coz Krishna is handsome...his wife who had been hating him all this while cannot fall in love all of a sudden....
wat do u think of a woman who got married to a person whom she doesnt even want to love..moved with him into his house.....
now she doesnt hate him..but has accepted him as a companaion to talk about things...
remember she told about his frenz...wanted to know what changes did he see in her... and how
she is suddenly feeling to miss her family so much...
Bauji is willing to take Prof out b4 elections
she did share everything she felt except Angad
She wud certainly told him verything had her father not demanded such a promise!!!
it all happens dear, between a couple...
u r thinking or expecting of somehting very ideal...kiddo!!! :-)




Yes! i agree, it should happen real sloooooowly! so that we get maximum Kriya milage! 😉😃 Jaldi jaldi ho jayega tho all we will ahve to deal with will be all those social issues without any real Kriya focus. So i am thinking, the slower the better. 😛

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Amazing post dyehard.............................Loved your words.................
Applauds to you for this............👏👏👏👏

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