DOTF:Your Predictions for the Last Book - Page 5

Originally posted by: sweet freedom

is Snape Evil?

i dont believe he is cos i think that...well lets start from the beginning. i think snape liked lily wen he went to hogwarts but he new that she was a half blood and he new that james liked her so he pretended he didnt like her, cos otherwise not many ppl shout at sum1 for sticking up for them. anyways wen james and lily started going out snape was mad and for sum reason he joined "the dark side" then wen they got married he told voldy bout the prophecy so voldy killed baby harry and asked him not to kill lily, cos wot kind of evil villain gives sum1 the chance to move away but wen she didnt and she tried to protect harry, he killed her (obviously only giving her one chance cos he dusnt care bout her) then wen snape finds out that his lily has died he joins the good side and dumbledore nows all this story thats y he believes snape is a good guy, this is the reason dumby trusts snape. and i think the only reason snape killed dumby is cos dumby asked him to, otherwise snape wud hv died and they need snape as a spy (snape wud hv died cos he made a vow remember)i still dont believe dumby is ded (im still in denial) but jk rowlin has sed that he is now ded so mite aswell get ova it, but i miss my dumby he was like harrys grandfather.

in conclusion i think snape is innocent and in a way i feel sry for him but in a way i hate him.

WOW,very interesting indeed👏...For starters,even I've wondered as to why Voldemort never wanted to kill Lily,given his loathing for mudbloods..Voldemort killed James(who was a pure blood),but had no interest in killing Lily.After killing James,he directly went ahead to kill Harry,but Lily sacrificed her life for Harry and gave him the ultimate protection....

At some point,even I've felt that Snape really really liked Lily(From what we know about Lily from Lupin and Slughorn,she was an immensely likeable and endearing lady)..Especially Slughorn says(In Book 6) that there's no one who couldnt have liked her...So it wouldnt come a surprise had Snape liked her..The reason why I feel he rebuffed her when she beseeched James to stop torturing Snape after their OWL exam was because Snape was too embarrassed and angry at James and Sirius,and didnt quite want a "woman" to come to his rescue..He might have considered that some what an infra dig ...But maybe later,he developed a liking for Lily just when se started going out with James,thus incensing Snape even more,and culminating in Snape's hating James like never before..Snape might have always continued liking and loving Lily,and that's perhaps why he didnt want her killed,so he tipped Voldemort about Harry's being his future nemesis...One important point here is that,Dumbledore tells Harry that The eavesdropper was chucked out of Hog's Head half way through the prophecy,BUT Trelawney tells Harry that the eavesdropper heard the entire prophecy...I would chose to believe Trelawney's version..Snape heard the ENTIRE prophecy,but told Voldemort ONLY the first half,for reasons best known to Snape alone..My hunch is that Snape would have known all the way that Harry CANNOT be killed,but could ONLY be "marked as equal"....Snape wanted ONLY James to be killed,HE didnt want Lily dead..That's perhaps why Voldemort NEVER wanted to kill Lily,but eventually had to,because she came in between her son and Voldemort...Another pointer is that,Aunt Petunia recalls meeting an "awful" boy who knew magic,now James wasnt "awful" from any angle,looks wise and character wise...So my wild prediction is that Snape dated Lily(Yeah yeah,this sounds rather ridiculous,but nothing's impossible),but Lily dumped him for James(or perhaps after getting to know Snape's dangerous liking for the Dark Arts)..Maybe Snape could never get over Lily and the fact that he was ditched for James

I agree that Snape killed Dumbledore because Dumbledore asked him to...Snape made that Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa because he HAD to prove it to Bellatrix that he was on the side of the Dark Lord...Now had Snape not killed Dumbledore,he would have died,thus the order would have lost a spy...Nothing was more important than the downfall of Voldemort,not even Dumbledore's life....Thus by killing Dumbledore,Snape has now convinced every Death Eater that his loyalty lies with Voldemort,thus Snape can spy without having being looked upon with scepticism...Dumbledore's will is yet to be read,and I guess Dumbledore would have transferred his powers to Harry,for Dumbledore says that it would require great courage and power to kill Voldemort,even when his soul is maimed ...At the moment,Harry's knowledge of Magic is NOTHING compared to Voldemort's..Harry has been escaping Voldemort all these years due to a combination of nerve,luck, courage and a great deal of help from Hermione(Books one ,two and three) and Ron..But to "KILL" Voldemort,Harry would be required to have a great knowledge of the dark arts and its finer nuances..Harry should be a wizard at par with Voldemort to kill him,which makes me believe Dumbledore would have transferred his powers to Harry,because Dumbledore was THE ONLY wizard who could hold a candle to voldemort,and the ONLY one Voldemort ever feared

About Harry being a Horcrux,sadly,many facts point to the same..The prophecy says "neither can live while the other survives"..Now Voldemort lead a miserable disembodied and non-corporeal form of life for 13 years,which corroborates the prediction "neither can live while the other survives"...but thanks to the Horcruxes,Voldemort didnt die,but was sentenced to a existence which was worse than death..But,by using Harry's blood,Voldemort rose back to life...Barty Crouch Jr who was imprtsonating as Alastor Moody says to Harry "The blood that flows in these veins flows within the Dark Lord"...Harry and Lord Voldemort have become fused and can no longer survive separately, thus they are no longer separate entities and cannot live as themselves.That's why they both could read each other's minds in Book 5.. .There's a connection etablished,and now,to finish Voldemort off completely,even Harry must die...Every logic leads to this conclusion,but I still refuse to buy this theory against the weightiest of proof,because,it then becomes too predictable...Or maybe I'm being in denial,and clinging on to my "Jo wouldnt make it so predictable" theory😆

Will Harry survive?
Hmm.. now thatz interesting question.. but not very easy to answer. It all depends on what JKR intends to do... if she wishes to keep her books in the childrens genre she might want to keep him alive. but we forget here that JKR is a radical thinker.... Remember her quotes during the controversies regarding that her books preach Satanism and Witchcraft she said that we give children credit for less intelligence than they are capable of... hmmm if she thinks children maybe able to digest harry's death (though I doubt it.) she may even go for it...

Is Snape Evil?
No with a very very big N.

Which 2 main characters will die in the last book?
Snape and Neville I guess.... maybe Lucius too....

Where are the rest of the horcruxes?
I think the question would rather have been "What" are the rest of the Hocruxes rather than "Where".
please read the excellent editorial by Maya The Keys to His Soul for more insight into my views.... must say the Dumbledore's Master Plan series (Part 1 to 7) also make an excellent reading...

Is Dumbledore really dead?
Yes... he is.... JKR confirmed it...

What is R.A.B? (I think you meant Who?)
Regulus Black..... I got no doubts about that.

Who will help harry as now Dumbledore is gone!?(aberforth??)
there are numerous probables most of all I think are Aberforth Dumbledore, Remus Lupin, and Horace Slughorn (I know you'd forget that one.)

Is Sirius Black Alive?
No.....But I think that maybe we'll see him again in DH in some form or another.(actually I too hopw so 😳 )

Originally posted by: joie de vivre

WOW,very interesting indeed👏...For starters,even I've wondered as to why Voldemort never wanted to kill Lily,given his loathing for mudbloods..Voldemort killed James(who was a pure blood),but had no interest in killing Lily.After killing James,he directly went ahead to kill Harry,but Lily sacrificed her life for Harry and gave him the ultimate protection....

At some point,even I've felt that Snape really really liked Lily(From what we know about Lily from Lupin and Slughorn,she was an immensely likeable and endearing lady)..Especially Slughorn says(In Book 6) that there's no one who couldnt have liked her...So it wouldnt come a surprise had Snape liked her..The reason why I feel he rebuffed her when she beseeched James to stop torturing Snape after their OWL exam was because Snape was too embarrassed and angry at James and Sirius,and didnt quite want a "woman" to come to his rescue..He might have considered that some what an infra dig ...But maybe later,he developed a liking for Lily just when se started going out with James,thus incensing Snape even more,and culminating in Snape's hating James like never before..Snape might have always continued liking and loving Lily,and that's perhaps why he didnt want her killed,so he tipped Voldemort about Harry's being his future nemesis...One important point here is that,Dumbledore tells Harry that The eavesdropper was chucked out of Hog's Head half way through the prophecy,BUT Trelawney tells Harry that the eavesdropper heard the entire prophecy...I would chose to believe Trelawney's version..Snape heard the ENTIRE prophecy,but told Voldemort ONLY the first half,for reasons best known to Snape alone..My hunch is that Snape would have known all the way that Harry CANNOT be killed,but could ONLY be "marked as equal"....Snape wanted ONLY James to be killed,HE didnt want Lily dead..That's perhaps why Voldemort NEVER wanted to kill Lily,but eventually had to,because she came in between her son and Voldemort...Another pointer is that,Aunt Petunia recalls meeting an "awful" boy who knew magic,now James wasnt "awful" from any angle,looks wise and character wise...So my wild prediction is that Snape dated Lily(Yeah yeah,this sounds rather ridiculous,but nothing's impossible),but Lily dumped him for James(or perhaps after getting to know Snape's dangerous liking for the Dark Arts)..Maybe Snape could never get over Lily and the fact that he was ditched for James

I agree that Snape killed Dumbledore because Dumbledore asked him to...Snape made that Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa because he HAD to prove it to Bellatrix that he was on the side of the Dark Lord...Now had Snape not killed Dumbledore,he would have died,thus the order would have lost a spy...Nothing was more important than the downfall of Voldemort,not even Dumbledore's life....Thus by killing Dumbledore,Snape has now convinced every Death Eater that his loyalty lies with Voldemort,thus Snape can spy without having being looked upon with scepticism...Dumbledore's will is yet to be read,and I guess Dumbledore would have transferred his powers to Harry,for Dumbledore says that it would require great courage and power to kill Voldemort,even when his soul is maimed ...At the moment,Harry's knowledge of Magic is NOTHING compared to Voldemort's..Harry has been escaping Voldemort all these years due to a combination of nerve,luck, courage and a great deal of help from Hermione(Books one ,two and three) and Ron..But to "KILL" Voldemort,Harry would be required to have a great knowledge of the dark arts and its finer nuances..Harry should be a wizard at par with Voldemort to kill him,which makes me believe Dumbledore would have transferred his powers to Harry,because Dumbledore was THE ONLY wizard who could hold a candle to voldemort,and the ONLY one Voldemort ever feared

About Harry being a Horcrux,sadly,many facts point to the same..The prophecy says "neither can live while the other survives"..Now Voldemort lead a miserable disembodied and non-corporeal form of life for 13 years,which corroborates the prediction "neither can live while the other survives"...but thanks to the Horcruxes,Voldemort didnt die,but was sentenced to a existence which was worse than death..But,by using Harry's blood,Voldemort rose back to life...Barty Crouch Jr who was imprtsonating as Alastor Moody says to Harry "The blood that flows in these veins flows within the Dark Lord"...Harry and Lord Voldemort have become fused and can no longer survive separately, thus they are no longer separate entities and cannot live as themselves.That's why they both could read each other's minds in Book 5.. .There's a connection etablished,and now,to finish Voldemort off completely,even Harry must die...Every logic leads to this conclusion,but I still refuse to buy this theory against the weightiest of proof,because,it then becomes too predictable...Or maybe I'm being in denial,and clinging on to my "Jo wouldnt make it so predictable" theory😆

intresting...u've really given me sumthing to think about there, gonna take me sum time to digest all that thoe.

jo wudnt make it so predictable, im sure, but she mite do sumthing that is so obvious that we wudnt hv gessed it.

...Snape wanted ONLY James to be killed,HE didnt want Lily dead..That's perhaps why Voldemort NEVER wanted to kill Lily,but eventually had to,because she came in between her son and Voldemort...Another pointer is that,Aunt Petunia recalls meeting an "awful" boy who knew magic,now James wasnt "awful" from any angle,looks wise and character wise...So my wild prediction is that Snape dated Lily(Yeah yeah,this sounds rather ridiculous,but nothing's impossible),but Lily dumped him for James(or perhaps after getting to know Snape's dangerous liking for the Dark Arts)..Maybe Snape could never get over Lily and the fact that he was ditched for James

i like yr theory about snape and lily dating, but it cudnt hv lasted long and snape actually met lilys family, who were all muggles, but then again he was a half blood himself, so maybe he didnt hate muggles, but then we hv to ask ourselves y he joined the dark side. wen we see snapes worst memory isnt it sumthing like his mother being beaten by her husband, maybe that caused hatred in his mind for muggles, and thats y he joined the dark side, but then hemust hv like lily a lot to meet her muggle family. i do like yr theory. and if they dated that wud cause more hatred for james in snapes' eyes, cos his ex gets married to his enemy.

*edited a lil bit😛*

Another point,Hagrid tells Harry on HBP that Dumbledore and Snape had a sort of an argument,where Snape didnt quite want to continue doing something,and Dumbldore was insisting that Snape MUST continue with his work..Now this "work" what Dumbledore was talking about was Snape's being a sleuth..Snape perhaps wanted to end it all,he was perhaps quite tired of feigning alliance to the Dark Lord,but Dumbledore wanted him to continue with his espionage duties..Thus it was on Dumbledore's insistence that Snape was spying,and maybe it was on Dumbledore's insistence too that Snape killed him

Well yes, I read that one where the "Dumbledore is not dead" came into the picture. We must understand now though that Dumbledore IS dead. But Jo didn't close a possibility that Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him!

The thing about Snape dating Lily, I'd rather doubt... Interesting yes, but highly doubtful unless there are lots of other secrets along with it... At the end of the 5th year (OWLs year), Snape didn't really like Lily I guess, it was pretty obvious. Lily started dating James in the 7th year. So that leaves 6th year. I don't think Snape could have liked her, asked her out, met her family AND been dumped in one year. It's just too much in too less time. But the thing that probably she dated him yes, is rather interesting! But now that u put light on it, seems very possible that that is the readon Snape went over to the Dark side. I guess we might never know the reason (Unless Dumbledore's portrait starts speaking) But otherwise, I don't think anyone knew about Snape's reasons. Another thing is that if there were an affair of any sort between Lily and Snape, Remus would have told Harry. He MIGHT not have, but i feel that if there were something, Lupin would have told him...

That's it from me, in accordance to Harooj and Joi de vivre's post!

Originally posted by: Naughty_n_nice

Well yes, I read that one where the "Dumbledore is not dead" came into the picture. We must understand now though that Dumbledore IS dead. But Jo didn't close a possibility that Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him!

exactly, and i think that is proof enuff that snape is innocent, unless she didnt wasnt to give the story away, but how cum she can tell us that dumby is def. ded but she cant tell us if snape is innocent, if she wanted she cud hv sed nothing about anything but, she told us about dumby, hinting that even thoe dumby is ded snape is still innocent.

quoting from mugglenet:

We will discover where Snape's loyalties lie.

and

We will find out something "incredibly important" about Lily Potter

sumhow linked, do u think. these r two things that we will be finding out in deathly hallows, cud they hv sum connection??!

The thing about Snape dating Lily, I'd rather doubt... Interesting yes, but highly doubtful unless there are lots of other secrets along with it... At the end of the 5th year (OWLs year), Snape didn't really like Lily I guess, it was pretty obvious. Lily started dating James in the 7th year. So that leaves 6th year. I don't think Snape could have liked her, asked her out, met her family AND been dumped in one year. It's just too much in too less time. But the thing that probably she dated him yes, is rather interesting! But now that u put light on it, seems very possible that that is the readon Snape went over to the Dark side. I guess we might never know the reason (Unless Dumbledore's portrait starts speaking) But otherwise, I don't think anyone knew about Snape's reasons. Another thing is that if there were an affair of any sort between Lily and Snape, Remus would have told Harry. He MIGHT not have, but i feel that if there were something, Lupin would have told him...

i dont think lupin wud hv told him cos, james' wudnt hv wanted his son to no that, neither wud lily, they wudnt want their son to no that harrys mother dated one of harrys enemies, and they wud probably want to forget about that as snape turned into a death eater. lily wud want to forget that she ever liked/dated a death eater.

but perhaps lily did not like snape, maybe she only stuck up for him cos she felt sorry for him, or for attention from james. maybe she was playing hard to get with james so she was always fiting with him and sticking up for snape. u can see y she wud try to help snape thoe, even harry felt sry for him we he saw him dangling from a tree with his trousers cumin down. harry is a lot like his mother than he knows, maybe its his personality. he wudnt want anything bad happening to even malfoy or snape, and lily cudnt stand it either.

so there is nothing in the book that cud persuade me to think that lily ever like snape, but i am sure snape like lily.

Originally posted by: naughty and nice

At the end of the 5th year (OWLs year), Snape didn't really like Lily I guess, it was pretty obvious. Lily started dating James in the 7th year. So that leaves 6th year. I don't think Snape could have liked her, asked her out, met her family AND been dumped in one year. It's just too much in too less time.

maybe snape hated lily cos b4 the fifth year he dated her and she had dumped him, but she still felt sry for him so she stuck up for him. and there r two possible reasons y he didnt accept her help:

he was so embarrassed that he dint want others pity or any1 to notice him
or
he hated lily for dumping him

that wud also explain another reason y james hated snape, cos snape dated lily (b4 the fifth year) an even thoe they broke up snape still liked lily, thats y james' hated him and he showed his hatred by picking on snape.

i hope u understand wot im trying to say😃😳

First of all GOOD TOPIC!!!!!!

I believe harry is not a horcrux and the reasons are:

1.DD being as wise as he is I'm sure if there was any chance of Harry beign a Horcrux he would have looked into it and if he was,would have told Harry as it would have been VITAL to the destruction of LV.

2.If Harry had a peice of LV's soul in him by now wouldn't it have attempted to take over Harry? I'm sure if the one in LV's diary had attempted to escape/kill Harry/take over Ginny the peice in Harry would take over Harry.

3.If Voldemort made a Harry a horcrux, he would be basically be killing himself because he has tried to kill Harry.(and if harry is a horcrux LV surely knows that by now!!!!!) and he wudn't be soo worried about killing harry because he wud know that if harry had to kill him harry wud have to kill himself...

4.The prophecy says "neither can live while the other survives" but if harry was LV's horcrux the prophecy wud be totally wrong because then it wud be something like "LV cannot die while harry survives" ...

5.If Harry was a horcrux, he would have 2 souls, and imagine two souls of the opposite morals in the same body. Harry would be quite insane.

(I'll be back later with other theories...I've to go to sleep now)

My thoughts..To put it succinctly,I dont think Harry's a horcrux,Snape isnt evil..

Who would die...Sadly,my guess is Harry and Snape

Originally posted by: griffinmonster

thanx guys glad o see so many replies 😳
great predictions
kartika k : man u want whole of it to end no 😭 i love magic 😳 hope it doens't and harry survives 😳 and also hermione and ron 😃

no .. i dont want it to end either💔 .. these are just my predictions.... 😳

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