Thoughts on MP characters (last epi)

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Posted: 12 years ago
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ON SHAKTI:

As I replied to Amor's topic on today's episode, Shakti does value his father deep down. And it is evident that apart from his own insecurities, it is also provocation and taunts by others (including even servants!) that make him feel inferior and bitter towards his father and Pratap.

That crap guard took out frustration of US on Shakti. 😡 But Shakti did not get as angry at his own insult as he flew in rage at insult of his father! 😲 Shakti could NOT take a word of BS against his father!
It shows ties of blood do matter. And Shakti was not merely a thankless, spoilt, bratty prince who was a born traitor!

The way Shakti slayed the guards and escaped, shows he does have ability to fight. He has talent. May not be like Pratap but not useless either.

Shakti's biggest motivator is rage. In rage he even overcame pain of his injury and fought with the same hand which he had cut. He is damn clever also - which was evident in how he took the key and escaped out of the prison and later with Pratap also he for a second pretended to be in pain but kicked him at once when Pratap loosened his grip over him thinking of his injured hand!

The boy is skilled not only in physical warfare but also knows psychological warfare given his tact!

Too bad he was not aware of US and Pratap's convo about him. 😕 He is so embittered that he felt he just had to take his mother along and run away.

He thinks no one values him and his mother. He assumes he and his mother have to take favour/support through Pratap/Jaywanta bai or Bhaatiyani. On their own, he feels, he and his mother get nothing.

He is wrong in his belief. But it is evident why he believes this. 😕

He clearly said he didn't know where he'd go, but all he wanted was to get himself and his mother out of US' qila.

It just shows how father's negligence towards him has made him feel stifled!

I feel bad for him. 😕 All wrong and impulsive things done by father and son towards each other at all wrong times and fire further fuelled by trash elements like servants/guards and that poison-filled Bhaatiyani!

Sone pe suhaga! The royal astrologer also predicted the worst for him and branded him a future destructive force in advance! US was about to express concern for Shakti as a father and just then astrologer's words pushed the father aside and gave way to the king who felt his empire was threatened by this boy! 😡

I wonder why this astro guy did not predict about Bhaatiyani or Jagmal! 🤢

Not just Shakti's defiance of breaking through the prison, but the BS prediction of Raj purohit also kept ringing in US' ears as he withdrew from signing the order for Shakti's release! 😲

Hadh hi hai! Jo hua bahut galat hua! 😕

ON SAJJABAI:

From tonight's episode it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that she is a weak woman and an even weaker mother! She is basically a SCARED woman!

She kept crying but why couldn't she calm Shakti for even a second and make him see sense? Why didn't she listen to him? Why didn't she tell him that Pratap was only concerned about him as a brother and it was familial love and not just favours that made Pratap do something for him?

Why was she SO PANICKY? 😡

Sajja is a clueless woman!

Rana ji's very voice and gaze makes her tremble and numb. Shakti makes her weepy and panicky!

Shakti dragged her and held her hands, saying they both should leave, then why couldn't she handle him?

Why doesn't she recognise Shakti's psyche? His feelings towards her, Rana ji and Pratap? And why doesn't she try to correct Shakti's notions about others?

Okay, she knows he does not like to take Pratap's help. But why couldn't she use tact tonight? She could have either stopped Pratap and told him not to come in front of Shakti and not to let him know that it was his help due to which he was being pardoned. Pratap would have obeyed her. Or she could have told Shakti that he helped Pratap get into gurukul and now Pratap helped him so it was a "hisaab barabar" deal! And both should let it go since there is no one-upmanship going on here!

Sajja just loses her presence of mind in panic! No use of tact on her son or anyone else!

Worst is that she does not even take Jaywanta bai's help in handling these matters! Jaywanta bai would be more than willing to help!

When Shakti beat Pratap, why did she shout only at Shakti? She could have shouted at Pratap also to stop when he retaliated just so that Shakti does not feel he was the only one to be hauled up. Later she could have apologised to Pratap or told him why she shouted at him so that he also understood the matter.

Sajja is helpless and clueless - as a woman, wife and mother. A very weak and scared woman who cannot take a stand anywhere.

The mishap tonight could have been managed a bit better or prevented from escalating if she had not been so scared and spineless!

I can understand her helplessness as a female that too in those times. In fact her scenes make me wonder who decides a woman's status? And her place? At times husband dictates, at times relatives try to mould her and at times kids hold her hand and drag her where they feel it would be fit to take her! Aurat ki apni koi marzi bhi hoti hai kya? 😕

ON THE GREAT UDAY SINGH:

Today's episode showed he did have a heart for someone other than Bhaatiyani and Pratap!

I did not like his unwillingness to listen to Pratap initially! 😡 It was intervention of Raawat ji or else Pratap wouldn't get any chance to be heard!

His discussion with Pratap on laws and rules was good. He heard Pratap but was firm enough to remind him of nitty-gritties of laws - that injuries are considered not self harm!

While on surface level US is right that Shakti is responsible for what he is suffering NOW (jail). But in a larger context, Shakti alone is NOT responsible. I wish US had realised he also had some role in this!
He thinks and talks mostly like a king and less as a father.

All credit to Pratap's heartfelt pleading that the father in US came to the fore for a while! 😊

But I think he was more impressed by Pratap's love and concern for his brother and majli maa sa than love for Shakti.

His priority is surely Pratap before anything else!

He at once thought of Pratap when astrologer predicted danger for one of his kids.

He was reassured once Raj purohit cleared that Pratap had a great future.

Momentarily I felt he behaved like a father when he thought of Shakti in shock and any danger to his life.

It is so sad that his change of heart was weakened by the purohit's prediction that Shakti would prove to be a cause of threat to his kingdom!

Why didn't he jump in rage at the purohit's prediction? Why didn't he say he'd so any remedy or pooja to prevent this? Why didn't he ask for advice on how to handle this? 😲

His silence and the continuous reverberation of the purohit's words on Shakti in his mind, seemed to prove that he already had a low opinion of Shakti and the Raj purohit's prediction only supported what he subconsciously thought of Shakti! 😕

His slowness and reluctance in forgiving Shakti and stamping orders of pardon of his sentence proved he was more of a king and less of a father when it came to Shakti.

The guards' information about Shakti's prison break to him seemed like the spark that was needed to make combustible material explode! 😲

Once again rage and ego have taken over him and now he won't listen to Shakti's side of the story. That astrologer's prediction might not have come true earlier, but now it is US' karma (of hasty action against son) that would ensure that this BS prediction someday comes true!

I wish Rana ji that you had realised that good karma was needed not just on Shakti's part but also your OWN part to turn around that crap prediction! 😡

Given the behaiour of US' men - I am dead sure he was NO great shakes as a king! All shout and snarl. No astute administration, no true control and no respect among his own staff! 👎🏼

How come his servants have the nerve to cross their limits like this and taunt his kids, bark about him on their face?! How come he is clueless about his reputation? How come he has neither been able to strike fear in his servants nor any reverence for him? How the hell he kept trashy people employed in any position despite their mistakes?

Uday Singh ji is NOT much of a success as a leader, as a king or administrator!

The rest, we have seen what a great husband or father he has been! 🤢

Rather by carrying his family feud to the court and scolding his son publicly he further ruined his own reputation and made a tamasha of himself and his family!

On several counts, in several ways this man is WRONG due to which he and his family have problems.

I have NO sympathy for him.

He will punish Shakti for that servant who was disloyal and disrespectful anyway.

He won't try to find out why something happened. He'll just listen to astrologers or others (staff) instead of using his own brain.

He is a man who is driven by his ego and is prone to influence of others. This time a Bhaatiyani wasn't needed to fill his ears. An astrologer's words alone sealed it for him - plus barking by guards who narrated their story but did NOT tell the root cause of all this! 😡

I am shocked how negative he is on Shakti and how he forgot astrologer's disclaimer before the prediction (that it may not be necessarily true and it may be changed by better karma) but only dwelt upon that prediction of doom on Shakti!

Go on! Jaaiye aur kulhaadi par khud hi paer maar dijiye Rana ji! 😡

ON PRATAP:

This boy is a diamond! 👏

Poor kid tried his best to convince his father for a change of heart. He was determined as a brother but his fear as a son was palpable in his hesitation, breathlessness and trying to look away from Rana ji's piercing eyes.

Kudos to Faisal for his performance! 👏

BUT! This boy still lacks tact!

He knows Shakti dislikes taking help from him. So he could have tried to pretend as if he did not help him but Rana ji himself was reconsidering his decision or it was due to Sajja bai that Shakti was about to be pardoned.

Pratap genuinely loves Shakti as a brother and wants to reach out to him. But he does know how Shakti perceives him. So how could he promise Rana ji that he would take responsibility of Shakti's conduct in future? 😲

Pratap is very wise. But he is a kid. He is not older to handle someone like Shakti who - even his father, mother and guru struggled to handle.

Pratap could have tried to take Jaywanta bai's help instead of facing Shakti himself.

And I think it's high time that Pratap came to terms with this fact that Shakti hates him (or is insecure of him or feels slighted due to him).

Pratap tries to take on too many responsibilities on his hands - but those are out of his ability to manage because he is still young and inexperienced!

He's too small to deal with temperamental and psycho people around him. 😕

Though Shakti was wrong in attacking Pratap, I think Pratap should not have retaliated to him. He should have let him be and tried to calm him down.

And if he had to retaliate then he should have fought properly and controlled him! He again lost concentration and released Shakti when he saw him in pain as he grabbed his injured hand!

WHY?!! Shakti took advantage of that emotional weakness na!

Pratap should either quit trying to manage everything or quit being a softie and learn to use tact! Warna khud hi pitega!

Anyway, I am in awe of the golden heart he has! 😊 Poor guy running from pillar to post to get evidence of the entire incident and somehow convince Rana ji to go soft on Shakti!

His concern to keep his family bound together despite whatever they do to him is so touching!

Hard to believe he is Uday Singh's son!


ON JAYWANTA BAI:

That Bhaatiyani keeps news of all that goes about the palace. Shouldn't Jaywanta bai have more info being the main queen? She only calmed Sajja bai and left. Why wasn't she aware of Shakti's escape? Is she aware of Pratap's efforts to get Shakti pardoned? If she is, then why doesn't she realise that Pratap can't do it alone? 😲

Okay, she can't face Rana ji because he has declared he doesn't want to see her face. But shouldn't she focus on Sajja actively in her own capacity or guide Pratap in helping Shakti or help Shakti and Sajja herself? And guide them to sanity?

Shakti will once listen to Jaywanta bai because she is Rani ma. But he can't tolerate Pratap.
And Jaywanta knows that being an adult she can have better effect as a guide and negotiator between the kids rather than leaving the kids to handle all the mess themselves!

I am disappointed why Jaywanta bai has not sensed all this and has not played a crucial role in intervening in this mess.

Forget Shakti. She can at least counsel Sajja on how to handle challenges of bringing up a growing boy with a temper!

Too bad she only focuses on Pratap and not the rest of the mahal.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Updated my post.

Sorry for the delay and the length. 😳

But I must say the show's going very well and each episode of late, has given lot of food for thought as well as emotions that resonate with the viewer. 👏

The actors - each of them, have been performing exceedingly well! So much so that you can feel the characters! 👏

I hope CVs keep up the top class level always and the channel also promotes the show better.

Best and most thought & emotion-provoking show these days! 😊

ADD - I think Shakti should not have got up from his hiding when Pratap entered Sajja bai's chamber. There was no need to get so fired up. Sajja was right in asking him to listen to Pratap but wrong in her choice of words knowing how much Shakti feels slighted by Pratap.

Shakti has extreme persecution complex despite his abilities and is highly suspicious of everyone else in palace except his mother. He thinks his mother is also a victim and is too docile to realise injustice to her or "ulterior motives" of others. Family (US included) has to work hard to ensure Shakti trusts them. For now Shakti thinks he has no well wisher in the family for him or his mother. 😕
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will update my comment here ASAP , I m lil busy right now
@Skepblun, i m toh fan of ur writing yaar... isi liye accha comment dungi
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@cherryberry

Thank you. 😊

BTW, from tonight's episode it is clear that Shakti is basically a boy trying to be a man.
He is insecure and all his anger and defiance are a cloak.

He wants to get away from the mahal. Now that Sajjabai has said that US is a great husband and she does not have any problems with him, he thought only he was at fault. He feels let down in himself due to failure to fulfil his vows. He did not realise he had ended up causing death of the guard. He is now let down and his conversation with Pratap revealed that he did not want such a life at all. It was not about being not afraid of death. It was about frustration at such a life.

Had US not opened his convo tonight the way he did then perhaps Shakti would have opened up on the truth. He does not want favours from anyone.

I noticed he did not beat Pratap tonight when Pratap tried to extract truth from him or reassured him that he would be saved. He only said he did not want favours.

It shows he is weak from within and even the cloak of "I don't care" is loosening its hold on him now.

Teen fired by hormones going all rotten in life thanks to unfortunate circumstances and neglect.

Shakti is a case study in Oedipus Complex and sibling rivalry. The former being a highly dominant force in his life - given his conflict with US and his fixation with vows to his mother or taking her away from a place where "according to his opinion" she does not get respect which he feels she deserves.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Lovely views! Loved reading them!
On Shakti:

He's definitely talented and not stupid. He may not be as brilliant as Pratap, but Shakti definitely has his own skills set. Like you said, I think that's one of the things that stings about this whole situation too. I feel like he isn't extremely far behind Pratap, in terms of intelligence and ability. But he's treated as if he doesn't exist. Which, as you pointed out, is really sad. But let's not forget that Shakti isn't an angel either. He has moments of darkness. (personally I think they make him a more engaging character).


On Sajjabhai:

I actually feel a little bad for her. But at the same time, I don't imagine its easy for her to have a son like Shakti. Shakti is extremely opinionated and isn't afraid to stand up for himself. Whereas Sajjabhai is the opposite, she's meek and dislikes confrontation. She's raising a kid who is the complete opposite of her. And I don't think she's necessarily the weakest character in the story. I mean, the reason she's so panicky against Udai is that if she overreacts, he'll throw her out. She knows that he isn't fond of her. She knows that one step wrong and it's not a good situation for her. Jaywanta was in the same boat awhile ago, making US angry, and even she wasn't as confident as she usually is. But luckily, she's the mother of the heir and the respected queen of the palace so she has some say. Sajjabhai has nothing! She's not the mother of the heir and she's not the respected queen of the palace, she's just another wife. That's a pretty precarious situation to be in. And regarding Shakti, again, he's opposite to her. She doesn't know how to control him. Remember, not everyone stays calm in panicky situations. Some people lose their brains, and Sajjabhai is one of them. Can you imagine if Shakti actually ran away? The palace people would be on him like a hawk and who knows if they wouldn't kill him. I feel like on one hand, she's very happy and proud to have such a smart son like Shakti, but on the other hand, she's often very nervous with him because she doesn't know how he'll react. We know that Shakti didn't like Pratap and Udai because they sidelined him and focused on Pratap. We know about the ring incident. But she doesn't! Sajjabhai is the type to get jealous for a while, and then forget about it. So she doesn't understand why Shakti holds grudges. So when it came to Pratap helping Shakti, she scolded Shakti because in her eyes, Pratap was helping Shakti, and that erased any doubts she had about Pratap (if she ever had any in the first place) and she couldn't fathom why Shakti would lash out against the person who was trying to help him. She's definitely not the smartest character or even the strongest, and compared to others (like Jawywanta) she can be considered weak, but I think she's an alright person. If she had any other tame kid, she would've been a great mother.


On Udai:

I think you've said everything I wanted to say about him LOL. But I don't think he was at fault because that jailer badmouthed him. Regardless, there are always going to be people who don't like you and that's that. And the reason the woman was even allowed in was because it was her husband. Remember, governments , or in this case monarchs, should be afraid of their people. If Udai hadn't let the woman into court/ hadn't give "justice," his reputation and by default, the reputation of his kingship would've been severly damaged. And especially as they were at war, a bad reputation was not good news. And regarding Shakti, in one sense, I can actually see where Udai was coming from. He questioned Shakti about the murder, and Shakti lied to him (Shakti, to his credit, was telling the truth), and even before that, Shakti insulted him by cutting himself and even told him off. Remember, before this, he didn't even care for Shakti. And couple that with the saying of the astrologer how Shakti will be bad news, Shakti's sentence was made before Shakti could even rebut it. I'm not defending Udai, I still think he was a horrible, horrible father for Shakti, but I can see where he was coming from. Personally, I think he just had enough of Shakti.


On Pratap:

Yeah, one of my main problems with Pratap, is his naivety. It's a little bit annoying. I wish he'd stop trying to fix everything, but I guess that's his personality. I wish in the future, we see some light hearted scenes of his. The earlier scenes of him being mischevous were so lovely to watch because he didn't seem like a "perfect" kid.


On Jaywanta:

Unlike others, I think Jaywanta is selfish to a degree. She only acts upon stuff when it concerns herself or Pratap. And that's not a bad mindset to have at all. All the other rani's (except Bhatiyani) are like that too. Their children come first. And so in the case of Shakti, what could have she done? Calm Shakti? She didn't even know about Shakti's feelings. Calm Sajjabhai? I feel like that would be insulting to Sajjabhai (well I can see Bhatiyani twisting it into that), it's kind of saying that Sajjabhai can't handle her own kid. And yes we know she can't but still, the truth hurts.
And regarding why she doesn't keep tabs on everything like Bhatiyani, I think she does. Except, she keeps tabs on stuff that concerns her, like herself, Pratap, the palace, Udai, etc. Whereas Bhatiyani keeps tabs on the kids, so she probably has a better understanding of the mess going on.


Great post! :)
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Originally posted by: Skepblun

ON SHAKTI:

As I replied to Amor's topic on today's episode, Shakti does value his father deep down. And it is evident that apart from his own insecurities, it is also provocation and taunts by others (including even servants!) that make him feel inferior and bitter towards his father and Pratap.

Yess, He respects his father a lot

That crap guard took out frustration of US on Shakti. 😡 But Shakti did not get as angry at his own insult as he flew in rage at insult of his father! 😲 Shakti could NOT take a word of BS against his father!
It shows ties of blood do matter. And Shakti was not merely a thankless, spoilt, bratty prince who was a born traitor!
He's not a spoilt brat, he is just impulsive

The way Shakti slayed the guards and escaped, shows he does have ability to fight. He has talent. May not be like Pratap but not useless either.

Shakti's biggest motivator is rage. In rage he even overcame pain of his injury and fought with the same hand which he had cut. He is damn clever also - which was evident in how he took the key and escaped out of the prison and later with Pratap also he for a second pretended to be in pain but kicked him at once when Pratap loosened his grip over him thinking of his injured hand!

The boy is skilled not only in physical warfare but also knows psychological warfare given his tact!

Too bad he was not aware of US and Pratap's convo about him. 😕 He is so embittered that he felt he just had to take his mother along and run away.

He thinks no one values him and his mother. He assumes he and his mother have to take favour/support through Pratap/Jaywanta bai or Bhaatiyani. On their own, he feels, he and his mother get nothing.

He is wrong in his belief. But it is evident why he believes this. 😕

He clearly said he didn't know where he'd go, but all he wanted was to get himself and his mother out of US' qila.

It just shows how father's negligence towards him has made him feel stifled!

I feel bad for him. 😕 All wrong and impulsive things done by father and son towards each other at all wrong times and fire further fuelled by trash elements like servants/guards and that poison-filled Bhaatiyani!

Sone pe suhaga! The royal astrologer also predicted the worst for him and branded him a future destructive force in advance! US was about to express concern for Shakti as a father and just then astrologer's words pushed the father aside and gave way to the king who felt his empire was threatened by this boy! 😡

I wonder why this astro guy did not predict about Bhaatiyani or Jagmal! 🤢

Not just Shakti's defiance of breaking through the prison, but the BS prediction of Raj purohit also kept ringing in US' ears as he withdrew from signing the order for Shakti's release! 😲

Hadh hi hai! Jo hua bahut galat hua! 😕
I have replied on Amor's topic also, He's good at heart. It's d ill-treatment he got from his family and from others made him so bitter abt Pratap and dats y he went to Akbar. He's a Gray character in this story. Why he was like that... for that we know wat was d background. I don't like the way he takes out all his frustration on Pratap only, bcoz he doesn't react to Shakti ... but i can't hate him also , bcoz he is not at all BAD... I'm glad that CVs r not showing Shakti evil to show Pratap good... they r showing fair picture, dats v all r here supporting Shakti and understanding wat led him to do all that

ON SAJJABAI:

From tonight's episode it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that she is a weak woman and an even weaker mother! She is basically a SCARED woman!

She kept crying but why couldn't she calm Shakti for even a second and make him see sense? Why didn't she listen to him? Why didn't she tell him that Pratap was only concerned about him as a brother and it was familial love and not just favours that made Pratap do something for him?

Why was she SO PANICKY? 😡

Sajja is a clueless woman!

Rana ji's very voice and gaze makes her tremble and numb. Shakti makes her weepy and panicky!

Shakti dragged her and held her hands, saying they both should leave, then why couldn't she handle him?

Why doesn't she recognise Shakti's psyche? His feelings towards her, Rana ji and Pratap? And why doesn't she try to correct Shakti's notions about others?

Okay, she knows he does not like to take Pratap's help. But why couldn't she use tact tonight? She could have either stopped Pratap and told him not to come in front of Shakti and not to let him know that it was his help due to which he was being pardoned. Pratap would have obeyed her. Or she could have told Shakti that he helped Pratap get into gurukul and now Pratap helped him so it was a "hisaab barabar" deal! And both should let it go since there is no one-upmanship going on here!

Sajja just loses her presence of mind in panic! No use of tact on her son or anyone else!

Worst is that she does not even take Jaywanta bai's help in handling these matters! Jaywanta bai would be more than willing to help!

When Shakti beat Pratap, why did she shout only at Shakti? She could have shouted at Pratap also to stop when he retaliated just so that Shakti does not feel he was the only one to be hauled up. Later she could have apologised to Pratap or told him why she shouted at him so that he also understood the matter.

Sajja is helpless and clueless - as a woman, wife and mother. A very weak and scared woman who cannot take a stand anywhere.

The mishap tonight could have been managed a bit better or prevented from escalating if she had not been so scared and spineless!

I can understand her helplessness as a female that too in those times. In fact her scenes make me wonder who decides a woman's status? And her place? At times husband dictates, at times relatives try to mould her and at times kids hold her hand and drag her where they feel it would be fit to take her! Aurat ki apni koi marzi bhi hoti hai kya? 😕
This is a lame character in the entire show... Girija Dai and Kokoya ji looks stronger than Sajja Bai. Being innocent and cute won't help all the time, especially when u have a son like Shakti and husband like Uday Singh and ... Suatan like Bhatiyani 🤢 I'm sure Shakti was Jaywanta's son then he would have been a better person
ON THE GREAT UDAY SINGH:

Today's episode showed he did have a heart for someone other than Bhaatiyani and Pratap!

I did not like his unwillingness to listen to Pratap initially! 😡 It was intervention of Raawat ji or else Pratap wouldn't get any chance to be heard!

His discussion with Pratap on laws and rules was good. He heard Pratap but was firm enough to remind him of nitty-gritties of laws - that injuries are considered not self harm!

While on surface level US is right that Shakti is responsible for what he is suffering NOW (jail). But in a larger context, Shakti alone is NOT responsible. I wish US had realised he also had some role in this!
He thinks and talks mostly like a king and less as a father.

All credit to Pratap's heartfelt pleading that the father in US came to the fore for a while! 😊

But I think he was more impressed by Pratap's love and concern for his brother and majli maa sa than love for Shakti.

His priority is surely Pratap before anything else!

He at once thought of Pratap when astrologer predicted danger for one of his kids.

He was reassured once Raj purohit cleared that Pratap had a great future.

Momentarily I felt he behaved like a father when he thought of Shakti in shock and any danger to his life.

It is so sad that his change of heart was weakened by the purohit's prediction that Shakti would prove to be a cause of threat to his kingdom!

Why didn't he jump in rage at the purohit's prediction? Why didn't he say he'd so any remedy or pooja to prevent this? Why didn't he ask for advice on how to handle this? 😲

His silence and the continuous reverberation of the purohit's words on Shakti in his mind, seemed to prove that he already had a low opinion of Shakti and the Raj purohit's prediction only supported what he subconsciously thought of Shakti! 😕

His slowness and reluctance in forgiving Shakti and stamping orders of pardon of his sentence proved he was more of a king and less of a father when it came to Shakti.

The guards' information about Shakti's prison break to him seemed like the spark that was needed to make combustible material explode! 😲

Once again rage and ego have taken over him and now he won't listen to Shakti's side of the story. That astrologer's prediction might not have come true earlier, but now it is US' karma (of hasty action against son) that would ensure that this BS prediction someday comes true!

I wish Rana ji that you had realised that good karma was needed not just on Shakti's part but also your OWN part to turn around that crap prediction! 😡

Given the behaiour of US' men - I am dead sure he was NO great shakes as a king! All shout and snarl. No astute administration, no true control and no respect among his own staff! 👎🏼

How come his servants have the nerve to cross their limits like this and taunt his kids, bark about him on their face?! How come he is clueless about his reputation? How come he has neither been able to strike fear in his servants nor any reverence for him? How the hell he kept trashy people employed in any position despite their mistakes?

Uday Singh ji is NOT much of a success as a leader, as a king or administrator!

The rest, we have seen what a great husband or father he has been! 🤢

Rather by carrying his family feud to the court and scolding his son publicly he further ruined his own reputation and made a tamasha of himself and his family!

On several counts, in several ways this man is WRONG due to which he and his family have problems.

I have NO sympathy for him.

He will punish Shakti for that servant who was disloyal and disrespectful anyway.

He won't try to find out why something happened. He'll just listen to astrologers or others (staff) instead of using his own brain.

He is a man who is driven by his ego and is prone to influence of others. This time a Bhaatiyani wasn't needed to fill his ears. An astrologer's words alone sealed it for him - plus barking by guards who narrated their story but did NOT tell the root cause of all this! 😡

I am shocked how negative he is on Shakti and how he forgot astrologer's disclaimer before the prediction (that it may not be necessarily true and it may be changed by better karma) but only dwelt upon that prediction of doom on Shakti!

Go on! Jaaiye aur kulhaadi par khud hi paer maar dijiye Rana ji! 😡
The KING in him always pushed away that Father in him. He always thinks with King's POV dat too based on d facts showed to him. Most of the time he considers d facts shown to him by Rawat ji, Pratap or Bhatiyani... King shud go to the depth of the matters

ON PRATAP:

This boy is a diamond! 👏

Poor kid tried his best to convince his father for a change of heart. He was determined as a brother but his fear as a son was palpable in his hesitation, breathlessness and trying to look away from Rana ji's piercing eyes.

Kudos to Faisal for his performance! 👏

BUT! This boy still lacks tact!

He knows Shakti dislikes taking help from him. So he could have tried to pretend as if he did not help him but Rana ji himself was reconsidering his decision or it was due to Sajja bai that Shakti was about to be pardoned.

Pratap genuinely loves Shakti as a brother and wants to reach out to him. But he does know how Shakti perceives him. So how could he promise Rana ji that he would take responsibility of Shakti's conduct in future? 😲

Pratap is very wise. But he is a kid. He is not older to handle someone like Shakti who - even his father, mother and guru struggled to handle.

Pratap could have tried to take Jaywanta bai's help instead of facing Shakti himself.

And I think it's high time that Pratap came to terms with this fact that Shakti hates him (or is insecure of him or feels slighted due to him).

Pratap tries to take on too many responsibilities on his hands - but those are out of his ability to manage because he is still young and inexperienced!

He's too small to deal with temperamental and psycho people around him. 😕

Though Shakti was wrong in attacking Pratap, I think Pratap should not have retaliated to him. He should have let him be and tried to calm him down.

And if he had to retaliate then he should have fought properly and controlled him! He again lost concentration and released Shakti when he saw him in pain as he grabbed his injured hand!

WHY?!! Shakti took advantage of that emotional weakness na!

Pratap should either quit trying to manage everything or quit being a softie and learn to use tact! Warna khud hi pitega!

Anyway, I am in awe of the golden heart he has! 😊 Poor guy running from pillar to post to get evidence of the entire incident and somehow convince Rana ji to go soft on Shakti!

His concern to keep his family bound together despite whatever they do to him is so touching!

Hard to believe he is Uday Singh's son!

Pratap is a golden boy but with a bit annoying habbit of poking his nose in others matters. His helping and generous nature most of the time backfires at him. He loves his frnds, family and other ppl but he has to understand that ppl doesn't like such love all the time. Everybody is not Som... there r ppl like Shakti who doesn't like favours from others.

ON JAYWANTA BAI:

That Bhaatiyani keeps news of all that goes about the palace. Shouldn't Jaywanta bai have more info being the main queen? She only calmed Sajja bai and left. Why wasn't she aware of Shakti's escape? Is she aware of Pratap's efforts to get Shakti pardoned? If she is, then why doesn't she realise that Pratap can't do it alone? 😲

Okay, she can't face Rana ji because he has declared he doesn't want to see her face. But shouldn't she focus on Sajja actively in her own capacity or guide Pratap in helping Shakti or help Shakti and Sajja herself? And guide them to sanity?

Shakti will once listen to Jaywanta bai because she is Rani ma. But he can't tolerate Pratap.
And Jaywanta knows that being an adult she can have better effect as a guide and negotiator between the kids rather than leaving the kids to handle all the mess themselves!

I am disappointed why Jaywanta bai has not sensed all this and has not played a crucial role in intervening in this mess.

Forget Shakti. She can at least counsel Sajja on how to handle challenges of bringing up a growing boy with a temper!

Too bad she only focuses on Pratap and not the rest of the mahal.

God knows y they keep Jaywanta away from other matters except Pratap related things. I guess CVs had put Jaywanta in TTMM mode (Tu Tera , Mein Mera mode 😛) isi liye she will look after only Pratap and not to others Confused

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Thanks for your reply.😊

I agree this show is being very balanced and fair in unravelling the psyche of all characters and their strengths and weaknesses - which is why we are able to have such engaging debates about them and think a lot about them. It is a great and brave approach that they have not painted all characters plain black and white.

I agree Sajja has to be a bit stronger to deal with people in her life be it Shakti, Uday Singh or that crazy Bhaatiyani. Plus in tonight's episode Vikram looked terribly scared. She has to take care that she does not end up driving even her second son on the edge in this tug of war going between all members of the royal family and her own helplessness!😲

Uday Singh is like an egomaniac and power-drunk king in dealing with everyone except Bhaatiyani and to some extent Pratap. Even if he begins to think in a more humane manner, his self of the "king" takes over and he drapes himself in cold silence or shoos people away from him!

Pratap often takes things in his own hands but poor boy is only selfless and thinks of others only. Too bad at times even US misunderstands him and thinks he is "meddling" because he is over confident after being declared the Crown Prince!😕
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Originally posted by: Skepblun

@cherryberry

Thanks for your reply.😊

I agree this show is being very balanced and fair in unravelling the psyche of all characters and their strengths and weaknesses - which is why we are able to have such engaging debates about them and think a lot about them. It is a great and brave approach that they have not painted all characters plain black and white.

I agree Sajja has to be a bit stronger to deal with people in her life be it Shakti, Uday Singh or that crazy Bhaatiyani. Plus in tonight's episode Vikram looked terribly scared. She has to take care that she does not end up driving even her second son on the edge in this tug of war going between all members of the royal family and her own helplessness!😲

Uday Singh is like an egomaniac and power-drunk king in dealing with everyone except Bhaatiyani and to some extent Pratap. Even if he begins to think in a more humane manner, his self of the "king" takes over and he drapes himself in cold silence or shoos people away from him!

Pratap often takes things in his own hands but poor boy is only selfless and thinks of others only. Too bad at times even US misunderstands him and thinks he is "meddling" because he is over confident after being declared the Crown Prince!😕



This show is really good and v can sit with our family and watch it. Me and my father often discuss abt some scenes shown. Dat day my parents were discussing abt Shakti and US abt dat Darbar scene where Shakti cuts his hand.
This show makes u to use ur brain and forces u to understand y a particular character is like dat...

It's a refreshment on TV where v do not hav to tolerate stupid kitchen politics nd Desperate Housewives...

I just love this show, love every character of it even villains bhi Mujhe pasand hai

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Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Lovely views! Loved reading them!

Thanks! 😊

On Shakti:

He's definitely talented and not stupid. He may not be as brilliant as Pratap, but Shakti definitely has his own skills set. Like you said, I think that's one of the things that stings about this whole situation too. I feel like he isn't extremely far behind Pratap, in terms of intelligence and ability. But he's treated as if he doesn't exist. Which, as you pointed out, is really sad. But let's not forget that Shakti isn't an angel either. He has moments of darkness. (personally I think they make him a more engaging character).

I agree with you. He has his moments of darkness but it is evident what is the cause of those. He is not a born baddie.



On Sajjabhai:

I actually feel a little bad for her. But at the same time, I don't imagine its easy for her to have a son like Shakti. Shakti is extremely opinionated and isn't afraid to stand up for himself. Whereas Sajjabhai is the opposite, she's meek and dislikes confrontation. She's raising a kid who is the complete opposite of her. And I don't think she's necessarily the weakest character in the story. I mean, the reason she's so panicky against Udai is that if she overreacts, he'll throw her out. She knows that he isn't fond of her. She knows that one step wrong and it's not a good situation for her. Jaywanta was in the same boat awhile ago, making US angry, and even she wasn't as confident as she usually is. But luckily, she's the mother of the heir and the respected queen of the palace so she has some say. Sajjabhai has nothing! She's not the mother of the heir and she's not the respected queen of the palace, she's just another wife. That's a pretty precarious situation to be in. And regarding Shakti, again, he's opposite to her. She doesn't know how to control him. Remember, not everyone stays calm in panicky situations. Some people lose their brains, and Sajjabhai is one of them. Can you imagine if Shakti actually ran away? The palace people would be on him like a hawk and who knows if they wouldn't kill him. I feel like on one hand, she's very happy and proud to have such a smart son like Shakti, but on the other hand, she's often very nervous with him because she doesn't know how he'll react. We know that Shakti didn't like Pratap and Udai because they sidelined him and focused on Pratap. We know about the ring incident. But she doesn't! Sajjabhai is the type to get jealous for a while, and then forget about it. So she doesn't understand why Shakti holds grudges. So when it came to Pratap helping Shakti, she scolded Shakti because in her eyes, Pratap was helping Shakti, and that erased any doubts she had about Pratap (if she ever had any in the first place) and she couldn't fathom why Shakti would lash out against the person who was trying to help him. She's definitely not the smartest character or even the strongest, and compared to others (like Jawywanta) she can be considered weak, but I think she's an alright person. If she had any other tame kid, she would've been a great mother.

I liked this part of your response the most.👏 Yes Sajja bai is in a very tricky and unfortunate situation. And anybody in her place would be befuddled.😕 But after all these years and incidents she must realise her son's nature. She has to understand that she may not hold grudges or feel sidelined but it does not mean her kids will also feel the same way. If Shakti can be influenced by anyone in the world then it is her! And she should try to calmly tackle him and try to remove his bitterness a bit when he is in a receptive and calm mood.

If she feels weak then she should try to approach at least Jaywanta bai or some wise person from her own maayka to get some guidance on handling Shakti instead of crying in fear.

I know it is much easier said than done. But she is the only one who can help improve this situation.😕


On Udai:

I think you've said everything I wanted to say about him LOL. But I don't think he was at fault because that jailer badmouthed him. Regardless, there are always going to be people who don't like you and that's that. And the reason the woman was even allowed in was because it was her husband. Remember, governments , or in this case monarchs, should be afraid of their people. If Udai hadn't let the woman into court/ hadn't give "justice," his reputation and by default, the reputation of his kingship would've been severly damaged. And especially as they were at war, a bad reputation was not good news. And regarding Shakti, in one sense, I can actually see where Udai was coming from. He questioned Shakti about the murder, and Shakti lied to him (Shakti, to his credit, was telling the truth), and even before that, Shakti insulted him by cutting himself and even told him off. Remember, before this, he didn't even care for Shakti. And couple that with the saying of the astrologer how Shakti will be bad news, Shakti's sentence was made before Shakti could even rebut it. I'm not defending Udai, I still think he was a horrible, horrible father for Shakti, but I can see where he was coming from. Personally, I think he just had enough of Shakti.

I know every person has his share of haters and admirers. But I made that comment in general. Uday Singh's servants are inefficient, insolent and are snarky both towards him and his kids. Given how they taunted Pratap and Shakti and later barked about him, it is evident what kind of reputation he has. He has not been able to employ the right men or he has failed in striking fear in them or inspiring a sense of respect in them.

I never said that US should not have let that woman inside. Being Bhanu Singh's widow she had every right to come in and ask for justice. But what I am saying is that he heard only her side of the story and used it to validate his prejudice instead of examining all sides of this grave incident.

He could have promised her that a fair investigation and trial would be conducted. That was all. There was no need to straight away announce death sentence for Shakti simply on her cry of reputation and justice.

He may have personally had enough of Shakti or been fed up of him as a father. But there he was a JUDGE. And he needed to give a fair trial, consider all possibilities, weigh in all pros and cons and announce decisions only on basis of proper evidence.

If Pratap could gather witness account then why not him?

If he could not do it himself then why did he not order his men to carry out an investigation?

He made a mistake as a judge. He was not impartial. He let his prejudice against Shakti influence him.

On Pratap:

Yeah, one of my main problems with Pratap, is his naivety. It's a little bit annoying. I wish he'd stop trying to fix everything, but I guess that's his personality. I wish in the future, we see some light hearted scenes of his. The earlier scenes of him being mischevous were so lovely to watch because he didn't seem like a "perfect" kid.

Pratap is wise in many ways. But lacks clever tact or perhaps has it but never uses it in case of those he is attached to. He is improving but is still driven more by his heart and emotion, than his brain. I have read that Maharana Pratap had pioneered many new and different techniques of warfare. I hope the show focuses on evolution of Pratap as this clever and astute general too.

This goody goody nature costs Pratap heavily...in this show.

Yeah I miss his playful and mischievous self.😕 But I guess he seems to have grown up and matured overnight since Som's death and Guru's departure.😭


On Jaywanta:

Unlike others, I think Jaywanta is selfish to a degree. She only acts upon stuff when it concerns herself or Pratap. And that's not a bad mindset to have at all. All the other rani's (except Bhatiyani) are like that too. Their children come first. And so in the case of Shakti, what could have she done? Calm Shakti? She didn't even know about Shakti's feelings. Calm Sajjabhai? I feel like that would be insulting to Sajjabhai (well I can see Bhatiyani twisting it into that), it's kind of saying that Sajjabhai can't handle her own kid. And yes we know she can't but still, the truth hurts.
And regarding why she doesn't keep tabs on everything like Bhatiyani, I think she does. Except, she keeps tabs on stuff that concerns her, like herself, Pratap, the palace, Udai, etc. Whereas Bhatiyani keeps tabs on the kids, so she probably has a better understanding of the mess going on.

I said that yesterday only that she is self-centered. Not selfish but self-centered. So she is not negative. But she is not all selfless either.

In tonight's episode she did approach Rana ji and ask him to reconsider or postpone his decision and conduct more investigation into this matter. She handled Sajjabai and Shakti with lot of empathy too.😊

But yes, the urgency and fire she shows in matters related to Pratap are nowhere there in matters of others. Guess it is human nature. She is not a Devi after all.😕

I think she is perceptive enough to know what Shakti feels - at least in relation to Pratap. She can, if she is willing, work on relationship between the brothers. Tonight's episode has shown that Shakti has no issues with her and listens to her, respects her.

Sajja often comes to her for guidance. That shows she is receptive to her and honours whatever she says. So with tact (which she already has), she can try to guide Sajja. Maybe they can team up to resolve issues between both brothers.

She need not directly point out flaws in Sajja's upbringing of Shakti.

I do have this issue with her that she keeps tabs on everything else but not other kids and all relationships evolving in the royal family. Being the female head of the family and as the only sane person in the family she has to take on more role than just matters related to her and her son or general palace matters.



Great post! :)

Thanks a lot. 😊


My replies to you are in bold red.😊 Thanks a lot for your response!👍🏼

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