Parvati will take avatar of Durga to kill Kalkay??

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Chaithali

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Posted: 12 years ago

#51

But Vrish different Purans have different versions of the same story do we know the truth.
I am not trying to defend entirely but logically speaking how do we know what the truth is.

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Vrish

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Posted: 12 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: Chaithali
But Vrish different Purans have different versions of the same story do we know the truth.
I am not trying to defend entirely but logically speaking how do we know what the truth is.

Is the Sati story in any of the other scriptures, aside from Shiva Puranas? One that has a different account of what happened at the yagna? Is there a different account of the Vrishabh avatar, where Mahadev & Narayan are locked in battle for several thousand years?

If there are scriptures w/ versions of events that reflect what they showed, I don't have an issue. I strongly suspect that for these 2 events, there ain't.

Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago

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sweetsandhya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#53

DKDM has never showed any story without distorting it.
Some people will say it is a fresh perspective to an old version of a story.
Times have also changed and so have people's thoughts.
If I get a solid lesson from any of these stories than it serves the purpose in the case of Daksh was to kill his ahankaar.
I seriously don't know many times what is authentic or not.
I really did not see any purpose of why Jalandhar track was shown the way it was except for entertainment.
Now Ramayan I read somewhere that Mandodiri is a pativrata and she never spoke up to Ravan and that she had no objection to him marrying and having many wives.
Maybe we need to show women speak up now in the current scenario because even scriptures depict women in bad light.
It is important that the show gives a good message and show stronger side of women and if the writers are taking it up than it is good I would say.
But coming to Pooja hope she does justice to the Durga avatar.
She has to prove that she is good for the role and establish herself.

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Vrish

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Posted: 12 years ago

#54

The original Jalandhar story had 3 significant roles:

To undo some of the damage done to the asuras in samudra manthan. Mahadev himself wasn't pleased about it, which is why there was the Vrishabh avatar and such events
Shumbha & Nishumbha appeared here and were allied to Jalandhar and helped in attempting to deceive Mahadev by killing a fake Parvati, which is why Mahadev cursed them that they'd be killed by the real Parvati, or Durga. Which is a background story behind why Shumbha & Nishumbha were killed by Durga - they didn't exactly have the boons that Mahishashur did
Vrinda's curse on Vishnu was, in addition to Bhrigu's & Tulsi's curses, one more of the reasons that Sita had an extended separation from Rama even after she had fulfilled her main role - being the cause of Ravan's death.

DkDM showed 1 & 3, but not 2. The part they showed about Jalandhar demanding from Indra that he returns everything attained from the samudra manthan to the ocean is there in the original account. What they didn't show was Vishnu fighting Jalandhar and being unable to defeat him, which is what signalled the defeat of the devas, and Narada instigating him. But they did show Lakshmi prevent Vishnu from killing Jalandhar - although that was impossible for Vishnu anyway, since Jalandhar was Shivansh.

Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago

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Rishi_

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Posted: 12 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Somehow, showing one's favorite deities achieve fictitious victories doesn't do much for one's mood. I wonder how much Vaishnavs liked it when Vishnu was shown binding Veerbhadra, when in reality, Vishnu was knocked senseless by Veerbhadra at Daksha's yagna?

these are nothing but clash of egoes between the devotess of the two great gods while in reality its nothing but arrogance and fake pride of so called devotees who take great pride in proving that their god is superior than others.
in the process they forget the main reason why they worship god. self-purification and union with the lord.

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Rishi_

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Posted: 12 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
No, it's not acceptable. If the script says the Veerbhadra knocked Narayan senseless, cut off Saraswati's nose and singed Bhrigu's beard, they should either show that, or not show a confrontation at all. Showing Veerbhadra losing to Vishnu is blasphemy.

The scriptures do exist for a reason. If shows can't digest that, they should avoid running in the first place. Or, as a compromise, at least drop showing parts of it that would hurt the sentiments of the precious bhakts, even if it's what happened. Oh, and very few people like Sita's vanvas - why show that? Either show what happened, as in the originals, or show whatever one feels like, just to gain TRPs.

but veerabhadra didnt loose to vishnu. he could destroy the bandhan which vishnu had put on him in no time. it shows he could defeat vishnu's powers.

the reason that the above things like vishnu being senseless in yagna or cutting devi's nose may not have been shown is that it might hurt the devotees of other gods who also watch this show.

you know how sentimental indians are. if such things are shown vested interests would love to organize protests to bring the show down. so the makers got to show harmony between gods even if there isnt.

and shiv purana might have been written by some of his devotee someone like us. so we cant possibly say its 100% genuine. what actually happened only god knows.

we just need to take the best moral out of these stories to lead a peaceful and happy life and ignore details which cause pain and headache.

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Vrish

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Posted: 12 years ago

#57

Uh, he did lose to Vishnu. He got bound, and so Mahadev broke off another jata from which Mahakali emerged, and he sent her. It was she who broke Veerbhadra's bonds.

In the original, Shiva sent both Veerbhadra & Mahakali to the yagna, and they wrecked havoc. After pummelling the devas, rishis, devis and even Vishnu, Daksha was beheaded and the rest is history.

If they want to avoid hurting people's sentiments, don't show anything, but don't distort them. Like they could have totally skipped any Veerbhadra-Vishnu confrontation, just like they didn't show him do anything to the rishis, or to Saraswati. The current track, for instance, of the Ramayan - anybody who was watching the serial for religious reasons is gone, when they start making things up that are indigestible. Same goes for events like the above.

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

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Posted: 12 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Is the Sati story in any of the other scriptures, aside from Shiva Puranas? One that has a different account of what happened at the yagna? Is there a different account of the Vrishabh avatar, where Mahadev & Narayan are locked in battle for several thousand years?

If there are scriptures w/ versions of events that reflect what they showed, I don't have an issue. I strongly suspect that for these 2 events, there ain't.

About Sati, the whole narration is there in Srimad Bhagavatam. But here, Narayana and Brahma are not even part of the Yagya. They decline the invitation since Mahadev is not invited. It is AFTER Daksha's head is restored that Narayana appears.

Vrsabha avatara though, is only in Siva Purana

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Rishi_

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Posted: 12 years ago

#59

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Uh, he did lose to Vishnu. He got bound, and so Mahadev broke off another jata from which Mahakali emerged, and he sent her. It was she who broke Veerbhadra's bonds.

In the original, Shiva sent both Veerbhadra & Mahakali to the yagna, and they wrecked havoc. After pummelling the devas, rishis, devis and even Vishnu, Daksha was beheaded and the rest is history.

If they want to avoid hurting people's sentiments, don't show anything, but don't distort them. Like they could have totally skipped any Veerbhadra-Vishnu confrontation, just like they didn't show him do anything to the rishis, or to Saraswati. The current track, for instance, of the Ramayan - anybody who was watching the serial for religious reasons is gone, when they start making things up that are indigestible. Same goes for events like the above.

its bhadrakali not mahakali.

she didnt break those bonds. she gave strength to veerabhadra to decide that in the path for dharma he had to break the shackles. veerabhadra was confused as he respected vishnu as much as he respected mahadev. she just cleared his confusion. 😃

showing too much voilence if at all its written in the puranas which may not have been fully authentic would destroy the very essence of the show. to show greatness of mahadev they didnt have to show vishnu or other god in bad light. so they did it right by just punishing daksh.

the purana version may be an exageerated one written by someone. surely it may not be true even if its written.
its just my POV not forcing it on anyone. we need to take good things out of the scriptures something which will lead us to the right path and help us lead a peaceful life. rather than fussing on them. the show is a custodian of peace goodwill and dharma and not voilence which they correctly didnt show.