Episode 223 Discussion: 19th March 2013 - Page 9

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Posted: 12 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: Ananya05



@bold1: 😆

@bold2: IMO, this has nothing to do with real Madhu, old Madhu or new Madhu. It again comes down to his sense of low self-worth. He has always been of the thinking that he is not worthy of being loved. That is why it took him so long to make peace with his dad's suicide. Its the same reason why he overreacted to his mother's second marriage and took 17 years to reconcile with her. Not too sure what to say about Dips. If you ask me, CVs have always over done his insecurity drama, and him thinking that Madhu is really moving on with another man, is just an extension of it. The man is an epitome of insecure self.


Not to mention the most self centred hero ever on screen! He dumps Madhu and in drunken stupor questions her as to why she did what she did and she should know about him n his erratic behaviour and all? Once again, when she seems to have moved on after his betrayal, he is making himself out to be the victim, accusing her love to be weak and he mentions his love? Wasn't he the one who went around claiming his love to be fake, when has he accepted to at least himself that he loves her truly?Whats, weak is your character Mr. RK!
Edited by amrithas - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#82
I never thought i will say this but i dont now i cant resist now in MB land RK is the only consistent character who was all time kamina and always will be😆 (bc we like some of his kamingis😉) and rest of all are living their second season and person like me who has lack of intelligence is unable to understand these characters😆
Sorry but i find this thread best only to pour my feelings in regards of yesterday episode.
Edited by mona1986 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#83

Guys, please check out Cardio's post - Rk didn't try to make Madhu jealous!😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: Ananya05


@bold1: 😆

@bold2: IMO, this has nothing to do with real Madhu, old Madhu or new Madhu. It again comes down to his sense of low self-worth. He has always been of the thinking that he is not worthy of being loved. That is why it took him so long to make peace with his dad's suicide. Its the same reason why he overreacted to his mother's second marriage and took 17 years to reconcile with her. Not too sure what to say about Dips. If you ask me, CVs have always over done his insecurity drama, and him thinking that Madhu is really moving on with another man, is just an extension of it. The man is an epitome of insecure self.



What he needs is a psychiatrist!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#85
Re epitome of Insecurity and being jealous.

The CVs have NOT been able to sell me RK as a jealous man. Why ? Because a jealous and insecure man creates FEAR in the other objects. I don't see that FEAR in Madhu at all...neither when she was married to him nor when she is separated from him. A jealous person keeps confusing the people around him, raising the fear levels that there comes a time when the other objects become unable to lead their life openly and instead start living the life of the person whom they want to please.

If we go to Soubhagyavati Devo Bhav...you will see that kind of man in Viraj and that kind of fearing woman in Janaki. Here in MEIEJ, I am rarely afraid of RK. Madhu is hardly scared of him. And since unwedding, even Radhaji has started mocking him. So in what sense he is now insecure or jealous man. What does he possess that he has to be insecure about losing? What does he love that he has to be jealous about to feel not getting enough? That is why I call this track as BS. Because questions galore and inherently everything falls and fails.

When Radhaji married and RK had to share his mother with Sikky and see Kukkuji as his father, he had issues...that can be called issues stemming from possessiveness. That is why Radhaji acted guilty. There was a relationship there and it got ruptured and so all kinds of issues. That is why I was saying RK needs to learn to share...atleast now that he patched up with his mom, he can do that. Why ? He told his mother point-blankly that he accepted her (after 17 years) but will not accept the other 3 Bhatias. When one is able to Negate a relationship, then sharing becomes easy as you know when you can give into it as against the forced sharing which happened to him when was the 12 year old kid.

RIshabh Kundra's problem...is he needs to have a say in matters important to him. He needs to be consulted upon and his consent has to be given. If this is not given or he is failed, then he wreaks havoc on all...and this is a consistent trait in him. Even now with MB, its not about jealous etc (which everyone perfectly keep playing...only to be fooling around) ...its about...his consent. He doesn't agree to what's going on. Control freak that he is.

His problem of heightened curiosity to know what's going on in Madhu's life has not happened just like that post revenge. Post Revenge, he tried to make her go away working in front of him through 3 day challenge Track. When that failed...drunken night happened where he ended up knowing that they had a night together, the events of which he cannot remember. And immediately follows her to outdoor location, protects her from a cheapster, has nearly more than 24 hours of staying at that place with her...offshoot, onshoot passive interaction...and all of it was pleasing and not animated or enemy like. After that she goes missing...and he reacts in that doggy manner, has the whole Police Force employed only to find out she came safely home with another man and refusing to divulge anything. If you ask me...its a hit on manliness...as in how would RK feel...when Police Commissioner or other Imp people...assume...So Mr.RK...so your Ex-Wife got back all safe...so hope you knew what happened there...etc...as in how does one feel...not even to know how she went missing and how she came back.

I will never say Madhu is wrong in not giving any information to RK. Even now when she refuses to tell him anything, I hardly raise objections on her behavior. Let me be clear...not even in one single post I have said she should answer RK. Nope...because RK has lost that right. But yes, Madhu has to make it clear to her family, friends and even Sultan. That is my expectation from Madhu. With RK...she should be ..."RK...Bhaad mein jaao Tum...I don't have anything to do with you."...especially when you now act bossy and possessive of me...what rights you have post unwedding drama. Fair and Square...this is how I treat you...You are nothing in my life."

But I will also not say RK is wrong in trying to find out who is that man ? HE doesn't have any right to know, but he can be curious, especially after the remnants of affection displayed between the two post the drunken night. And increasingly he is getting interested in Madhu, because her behaviour is erratic to him...this Madhu is evasive...this is where his not knowing irks him.


Psychologically, the CVs cannot sell me jealousy track at this juncture, when they have no relationship at all...as that fear, morbidity etc is missing from Madhu and the environment alike...we are seeing a good drama here...where we laugh, bash and mock. We don't feel strained, we feel bored. And when do these symptoms rise...when we start withdrawing from the drama...why are we withdrawing...because the man is crying hoarse for consequences created by himself. And where is all this leading to ...COMMITMENT. The guy needs himself to Commit to something over which he has no right, wants to , has no access and so trying to barge in ...whichever way possible. This is forceful intrusion in her life and that is what I am getting bored of ...and sorry I don't see any jealousy or insecurity there...I see only as him losing his emotional control on her...or his other issue of feeling abandoned, left out...He cannot get abandoned, he cannot have people just leave him without them telling him that they are leaving him...and he knows Madhu has not abandoned him out of her will and that is why last night he finally lamented that his love could not hold her back, on which he had banked on his revenge plan/punishment to flourish...that was what he expected to happen and it failed miserably...like at last he showed his secret card...that he thought would allow his drama to go on. Now he is almost there...prepared to lose, relinquish his control on her...but just that he wants a decent fight...so looking for that duelly kind of fight.


We cannot mix up psychological concepts just like that...need to see them structurally...Ai wain...Rishta hai nahin...Jealous hone ka haque de diya logon ne...Rishta banao aur phir pooch lo...that is what Madhu is saying and that is what I agree on also. And this suits his character too...he needs to be consulted on everything and him being slighted when he is interested is not sitting with him...perfectly dogged trait in him...but it cannot be called as jealousy. He did not dream in that way also...for us to have a clue...In his dream too he is concerned and wants to know who that person is and senses danger as Madhu is hynotically leaving him.



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Posted: 12 years ago
#86
Like Newton said...every action has Opposite and equal reaction.

Jealousy track fails miserably on that law. This is PLAIN LINGO speak for the Average mind to make it easy for them to explain. In fact this track is Realization Track.


But revenge track is explained perfectly through that law.
His revenge plan was "She loves me so much that she will be unable to move on where as I would have moved on away from her"
His plan flopped. "Whether she loves me now or not...I do not know...She definitely has moved on...and here I am hinged on to her, unable to move on".


This is the realization. What goes around, comes around. She did not even have to lift her finger to destroy him. But all that is happening when he is drunk. How are they going to translate it into conscious drama...this is where my patience is fizzling out.


And that's why I need this man(Rishabh Kundra) to back out from Madhu...like she said...Mom...I am not going to back out until he backs out. I need this man to stay away from Madhu knowing that he lost her because of his grand plans of revenge. I need him to realize that...when a man marries out of revenge, he cannot forget the ground rules that he cannot fall in love with the object of revenge. I need him to be a man to accept at which point of his grandiose plan he started to sway from his path...because this realization will then tell me that his love was NOT FAKE...that he got caught in his own web...that instead of making her love him, he ended up loving her. This is what I want him to realize and this shall be the poetic justice to me...him away from her, losing her and realizing, how, when and where he started falling for her.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Like Newton said...every action has Opposite and equal reaction.


Jealousy track fails miserably on that law. This is PLAIN LINGO speak for the Average mind to make it easy for them to explain. In fact this track is Realization Track.


But revenge track is explained perfectly through that law.
His revenge plan was "She loves me so much that she will be unable to move on where as I would have moved on away from her"
His plan flopped. "Whether she loves me now or not...I do not know...She definitely has moved on...and here I am hinged on to her, unable to move on".


This is the realization. What goes around, comes around. She did not even have to lift her finger to
destroy him. But all that is happening when he is drunk. How are they going to translate it into conscious drama...this is where my patience is fizzling out.


And that's why I need this man(Rishabh Kundra) to back out from Madhu...like she said...Mom...I am not going to back out until he backs out. I need this man to stay away from Madhu knowing that he lost her because of his grand plans of revenge. I need him to realize that...when a man marries out of revenge, he cannot forget the ground rules that he cannot fall in love with the object of revenge. I need him to be a man to accept at which point of his grandiose plan he started to sway from his path...because this realization will then tell me that his love was NOT FAKE...that he got caught in his own web...that instead of making her love him, he ended up loving her. This is what I want him to realize and this shall be the poetic justice to me...him away from her, losing her and realizing, how, when and where he started falling for her.


Awesome Shri 👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shri,
Beautifully written👏 .

RK is a perfect example of OCPD /Control Freak.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Mona,

😊

Usually my episode takes (the first few ones) are always hinged on the take home. If I did not mention or highlight anything in my post that others are writing, then you can be pretty much be sure, that it is nothing to be concerned about.

Usually the CVs through Madhu's crazy takes, run the drama. I know this and so never get offended by her. She(the mover of the drama) starts offending me when viewers do not understand the drama and end up bashing RK, all the other MEIEJ characters and question her motives. Then I get so frustrated at the dumb atmosphere that I lash out at Madhu, for even having starting the drama, for which people are confused about.

In MEIEJ - rules are simple. Madhu creates drama. She is the Karta-Vidhaata of the drama. So what's left for us is to discuss and debate other's reactions to her drama (as in we are left to discuss other characters). That is why we can openly discuss RK and others...but sadly we are called ...that Madhu is not being discussed as much as RK. My answer to them is...what's there to discuss anything there...she is already creating the ripples. This is what even Raghuvir Shekhawat keeps saying.

Honestly...this show is more for logicians than for emotional people.





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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


In MEIEJ - rules are simple. Madhu creates drama. She is the Karta-Vidhaata of the drama. So what's left for us is to discuss and debate other's reactions to her drama (as in we are left to discuss other characters). That is why we can openly discuss RK and others...but sadly we are called ...that Madhu is not being discussed as much as RK. My answer to them is...what's there to discuss anything there...she is already creating the ripples. This is what even Raghuvir Shekhawat keeps saying.

Honestly...this show is more for logicians than for emotional people.
Well said 👏 👏

Especially this is very true
In MEIEJ - rules are simple. Madhu creates drama. She is the Karta-Vidhaata of the drama.
So what's left for us is to discuss and debate other's reactions to her drama (as in we are left to discuss other characters).
Honestly...this show is more for logicians than for emotional people.




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