Episode 199 Discussion: 19th Feb 2013

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Episode 199 Discussion: 19th Feb 2013


Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

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Episode 199 Discussion - EOD Summary

Roaring Madhu and Snubbed RK

Events of the Episode
  1. RK calls the servants to clean up the mess he made (broken glass and broken sound system mess). Once that is cleaned as he reaches out to his closet, Madhu's dupatta falls over him making him recall her. He sees her sad face and wants to make her feel better only to realize that it was her apparition. It angers him more that he is unable to control the onslaught of her memories. He calls his servants once again and asks them to throw away everything that belongs to Madhu. He keeps looking at the small Ganesha, unable to decide what to do about it. (And I have a personal question...is their photo removed from the wall?).
  2. Radha same evening goes to meet Madhu at chawl. Madhu doesn't know how to react. Padmini is rightfully upset at Radha's visit. R apologizes to M for the studio unpleasant experience she had during the day. She says that she had made Bittuji get her a job where RK is working as she wanted her son to see that M cannot be broken. M refuses to R to get into that rigmarole of showing off anything to RK. R leaves.
  3. Madhu goes into pensive mood and looks at RK's poster outside with "Ahankaar" and remembers Radhaji's words. She decides she will take RK head on to deal with hurt induced by him. The Hauslon se veer hoon chant changes into background song with only "Yuheen Balveer hoon" for Madhu...all by herself without anyone's support.
  4. Next day at the studio as RK shoots, notices that the new hairdresser for his heroine is Madhu. He is visibly upset for himself as to how miserable he is going to be and yet again tries to initimidate Madhu. As she shows herself indifferent to him and being all in control, he refuses to shoot and instead wants to deal with her first. He drags her to his vanity van and asks her why she wants to get insulted by him.
  5. An angry Madhu, warns him not to ever touch her again. And asks him to see how he fallen to associate himself with an ordinary girl like her in front of everyone. From hereon, its must watch scene as dialogues of Madhu cannot be missed. She gives it all back to RK and he is actually snubbed into silence. Lovely to see that.

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yesterday some wanted to see what Madhu's version of the pic i posted would be...this is it!

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I wanted to dedicate this song to Rishabh, the guy who rejected Madhu's love.

However, I didn't want Madhu to sing that for him, though it seems so apt at a subliminal level for both now under current circumstances. So let Madonna do the honours for Rishabh.
Madhu is doing good fighting with him 😊 Madonna in that black ambience can reach out to Black Raven types Rishabh 😆


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJrfMCQz5wE[/YOUTUBE]


MADONNA - FROZEN LYRICS

You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be
You're frozen when your heart's not open

You're so consumed with how much you get
You waste your time with hate and regret
You're broken when your heart's not open

Mmm, mmm, if I could melt your heart
Mmm, mmm, we'd never be apart
Mmm, mmm, give yourself to me
Mmm, mmm, you hold the key

Now there's no point in placing the blame
And you should know I suffer the same
If I lose you my heart will be broken

Love is a bird, she needs to fly
Let all the hurt inside of you die
You're frozen when your heart's not open

Mmm, mmm, if I could melt your heart
Mmm, mmm, we'd never be apart
Mmm, mmm, give yourself to me
Mmm, mmm, you hold the key


***Talking about The Raven...Its Edgar Allan Poe's poem and someone in the Main forum posted an FF with Rishabh Kundra and Madhu being the leads where The Raven poem keeps coming in. Its 'SS: One step from Hell! Vendatta" by 6th.Element. Don't know why her/his account is temporarily banned.
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Although i was waiting for this confrontation , I was too exited with the thought of it, even thought of a song for RK , but the epi. left me confused 😕 so song later, my 2 cents pehle..

I was thinking n thinking what made Madhu take up the job..bec. yest. she was upset with bittuji for the same..so it was Radha 😆 Radha ne maafi maangi for Rishu's behavior today, but what about the last 2 days 😲? Padmini's reaction was good...Radha should not be there...n as i said, she was being a selfish mom , she admitted that 😆 all her lecturebaazi was good but must say, a very smart move 😎 she instigated Madhu to take up the job so that both of them see each other everyday ☢️ with all the naari shakti talk, which she's good at, she convinced Madhu...

Patil and Mangesh ki salary double ho gayi hogi 🥱 with that extra work...clean up the mess, remove Madhu's memories, they must be working double time bec. Madhu is not there in the kitchen 😆 RK hallucinating Madhu n him throwing out all her stuff was expected...when i saw the promo, i knew this was coming...but Ganeshji is still there 😕 bec. he is not his God or Madhu's...that much akal he has..TG

Madhu thinking about Radha's words on the stairs of chawl, in the shadow of RK, a delightful sight..again "ahankar" was highlighted n Madhu giving Durga Ma expressions, coming down n taking a decision n then rising up...all very symbolic..

back in Kamal Studios, wonder what have they reduced RK to..he doesn't interact with media proprely, constantly threatening them, throwing tantrums, nor is he cordial with his production team who's giving him work, nor is he cordial with his co-stars..all he cares about is giving his shot , coming back home, drinking and sleeping? pehle at least they showed him having some interest in painting n sculptor , music, bikes, cars, all that is too expensive to shoot or what?

i knew usne apni heroine ka band bajake rakhna hai..she will become a scapegoat for their fights...😆 BTW is she aware that Madhu is RK's ex biwi? and the production ppl. who gave Madhu a job, do they know?? they aren't scared of RK?

RK seeing Madhu around, feeling uncomfortable with her presence, she giving him royal ignore, him dragging her to his vanity van and ACTION ! Madhu finally getting a chance to set him straight..all her dialogues were a gem...⭐️👏 that cactus wala dialogue was WOW "khoon nikal aayega , WOH BHI MERA" 🤣 "Love at first sight and hate at last fight" 🤣 "tumse ladna bhi mujhe cheap lagta hai, koi standard hona chahiye" 😆 "my tears are out of stock and out of production, now it's only aag" 😆 TG for the time being, no tears...all her dialogues were superb n both of them acted REALLY REALLY well... effortless n perfect acting 👏 Dhrashti must be the happier one 😆

their interaction reminded me of a scene from Ramayan where Parshuram was maha angry after Sita swayamvar when Shiv dhanush was broken by Ram so Laxman was trying this same tactic at him...when you have to beat an opponent who's powerful than you then you should take advantage of his weakness, make him more and more angry ..he will turn powerless...😆 bec. gusse mein one always does a mistake...

my confusion was that Madhu told RK that she has moved on...but where? to RK? 😕 earlier on, she did the same mistake of taking panga with him n paid a heavy price for it...proving it to him that she's unaffected by his tactics, by his prem game, she's one up than him, is more important to her ?? until and unless she wants to make him realize his mistake and go back to him?? is that a good move on her part? nobody is saying that she IS wrong or she WAS wrong..that time also she was right, when she decided to take a stand against RK and not budge from it..this time also she's right and RK is wrong, but she's dragging her life to that hell again...i know in a serial, this is the way the story has to progress bec. it's RK and Madhu's story..they have to be together...but today's epi. , SHE made a choice to go back in his life , for reasons best understood to her...

precap is super duper 👏 both of them trying to outsmart each other..😆


Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago
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First, a welcome back hug for our Jungli Billy urf Sherni urf Cactus 🤗
We got glimpses of her when she found out about Dipali instigating RK and then later when Balraj threatened her and her family. But today, ... She was back in full form. The last time she was in this mode, was during the Ganesh Visarjan track. After RK was shot the Sherni was held back, and was often seen lurking in the background.
But today she roared, and it was loud.

The episode started where the last one left off. And Radhaji surprised me by going to meet Madhu at the chawl. She is, unfortunately, shining in the reflected glory of RK's ego. But I'll have to admit. Pep talk dena koi aap se sikhe. Radhaji should be a counselor. First Padminiji and now Madhu. 👏

The comparison between RK and Madhu was amazing. Here she was, gaining strength and there he was, unable to see even her clothes. Sweet biwi ki sweet yaadein. And now the hauslon se veer ho chant has been converted into a background score.

"Main koi kamzor patta nai hu ... jo hawa ke sath kabhi bhi ud jaye...main cactus hoon cactus ... zameen me gadi hui ... bahut hi mazbod ... khoon nikal sakta hai ... isiliye mujhse door rehna."
When RK calls for security. "Ab tak bachon ko Maa bulate suna tha."

And many more such gems of dialogues. Kya baat hai, Madhu. Now this is the confrontation I wanted to see. Wow, she really sharpened those claws. This was without a doubt the best part of the episode. RK ki duniya hila ke rak di. Madhu was the shining star. ⭐️ She over powered RK and how.

The precap was brilliant. Let the battle begin!!! 🥳
All in all a brilliant episode. 👍🏼 I hope to see more like this one.

P.S. was I the only one who got irritated by the constant ads of that movie? That was just 😡😡

ETA: Madhu and RK's confrontation in his vanity made me forget this.

But how come that heroine (does she have a name?) didn't hear RK insulting Madhu? And the entire set, are they all that clueless about what happens in RK's life? How did they even think that having the two of them in the same room will not turn that set into a battle zone? Or did Bittooji throw his weight? Also, it is soo good to be right. RK just can't bear indifference.
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

I wanted to dedicate this song to Rishabh, the guy who rejected Madhu's love.

However, I didn't want Madhu to sing that for him, though it seems so apt at a subliminal level for both now under current circumstances. So let Madonna do the honours for Rishabh.
Madhu is doing good fighting with him 😊 Madonna in that black ambience can reach out to Black Raven types Rishabh 😆


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJrfMCQz5wE[/YOUTUBE]





SD - Another one of my favourites 😊, how do you always pick my favourites?? Am sure i will see Alanis Morisette soon😃
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An excellent ep in characterization and performance.⭐️

Alongside, DVD's live chat confirmed that there's no track of RK *having* any illness.😊

Which still might leave room for loopholes such as being misinformed about having an illness, taking semantics and serial-track exigencies into account.😕

But the actual cliched possibility of illness is off the table.

As to 'revenge', DVD were ambiguous rather than clear, though they were clear that the series was intended to go on for a long while yet.😕😊

But what was the most reassuring thing about today's ep was that what the Sunday promo had only shown a glimpse of, this ep showed at length.😳😊

As Madhu's dupatta billowed out from the cupboard and enveloped him, it was Madhu that RK imagined at his side.

Seeing that vision of Madhu looking sad and forlorn, he extended his hand to cup her cheek tenderly.

There was no hesitation in his gesture, no qualm in expressing his care and love.😳

And it was only when that vision vanished that he drew back, visibly pulling himself together.😳

And then he struck out, yelling for the servants to remove all of her things.

Why, when imagining her near invoked such tenderness in him? Unless he is not in a position to act on it, and his feelings would only stand to get exacerbated by sight of her things.

An earring that slipped out from a pile of her stuff being carried away immediately invoked the memory of Madhu getting that pair of earrings back from him on Karvachauthh.

He flung it with the rest of her things being gathered, and instructed that all her stuff was to be removed.

And then he saw her little white idol of Lord Ganesh that he had installed in that very room.

The servants would not dare remove the idol he worshipped from that shrine position except if he specifically ordered them to. He did not.

He remembered Madhu helping him make floral offering when his hand was injured.

While his grudge against Bappa for not having prevented his father's suicide had been a long one, the depth of his feelings for Madhu may perhaps exceed that of all other relationships for him.

But now, while he did not turn his back on Bappa, he did not look to him with any hope either.

Just as his reconciliation with his mother has remained intact even after his ousting Madhu from his life, his reconciliation with Bappa too remains intact.

If there is good cause for RK to be doing what he is doing, he does not appear to be willing to seek support from any quarter.

Assuredly not from his mother, but astoundingly also not from Bittuji nor even the God he would address bitterly or cordially.

He left, leaving behind an instruction for the servants that would encompass Madhu's things, but not anything that might be considered his as well.

It should be interesting to see if the framed photo of him and Madhu still remains on the wall when he returns to the room.

But the scene that preceded this showed that one may always underestimate Radha in the length of determined selfishness and imprudence that she will go to.

And unfortunately for Madhu (and fortunately for us viewers who want to see the lead couple together in the same frame😳), Madhu's willingness to trust in the wisdom of the two mother-figures in her life (Padmini and Radha) has never taken into consideration the sense of their advice in individual instance.😕

Padmini has never shown herself to be capable of unalloyed selfishness, and Radha is very much the opposite.

And yet, today's instance of Madhu being influenced into an imprudent decision by Radha's spirited words reminded of the day Padmini had in towering melodrama told Madhu to fight, and Madhu's situation vis-a-vis RK had rapidly escalated into a disaster.

Radha proved today - as in her helping coax Padmini to remarry - that she does know what arguments to advance.

She started off straightforwardly, by speaking of how bringing Madhu and Rishabh together would be good not only for her son but *also* for her daughter-in-law.

When that didn't work, she changed the tack. The actions she advised were the same, but now she claimed a different result would be forthcoming.

What a few moments earlier she had stated would bring the couple together, she now claimed that course would prove Madhu strong in front of RK and would break him.

Six of one, and half a dozen of the other.

Madhu might yield to the second reason rather than the first, but the end result would be what Radha wanted.

Rishabh would yield to his feelings, win Madhu back, and bring her home. And Madhu would restore Radha's son to his cheerful loving version that Radha had just recently regained.

When Padmini had given Madhu imprudent advice, she herself had stood to gain nothing by it.

Radha has everything to gain by Madhu's aiming for RK - to reconcile with him or teach him a lesson or whatever other *intended* reason.

She had heard from RK of the devastation Madhu suffered during the most recent encounter with RK, and Bittuji's expression had corroborated the account.

And yet, Madhu suffering further hurt en route to end-result of reconciliation means nothing if it will down the road restore to Radha the domestic and maternal felicity she seeks.

Radha's exhortation that Madhu should prove to RK that she is unaffected by him was in the mode of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Madhu would have to endure hurt and angst in order to inflict them on RK.

Her intention of avoiding RK and moving on in life was the most sensible.

Walking away proves quite satisfactorily that one is so unaffected as to not even care to prove a point (but that wouldn't get us both leads in the same frame😳).

Madhu should never have taken advice from someone who said a course of action would ensure a particular result, and on being denied, blatantly claimed that a different result would happen instead.

One thing that is immense irritation and yet curious relief is that after three songs playing on Rishbala, the new song has no association to romance or love but is rather Madhu's singularly exasperating version of an actually very inspiring prayer just set to music.

Padmini is a truly admirable lady, but Madhu's replacing God in that prayer with either her mother or RK has always felt very discomfiting.

In fact, her attitude was never near worship towards her mother but rather to RK, which had the different discomfiture of the 'pati parmeshwar' aspect.

But if this new song means that they won't be tampering with a romance (anti- or otherwise) song at this juncture, then it would definitely be a relief on that count.

RK's withdrawn and focussed attitude at work may be an emotional exhaustion side-effect if he is having to put on an real-life act at moment's notice for specific individuals on a regular basis.

It was only when he saw Madhu that the snark resurfaced, but in an almost utilitarian hurried capacity.

His ability to unleash verbal hits appears to have eroded at the precise juncture where Madhu has suddenly got catchier dialogues than ever before.

The question is how RK will react *beyond* the immediate.

There was an at-the-end-of-his-rope feel in his abrupt grabbing of Madhu's arm and hauling her away into his vanity-trailer.

His trying to target her selfrespect lacked the finesse of his previous encounters, as he sought to make her leave the job that would place her in his sphere, thereby ensuring that there would be no need for further performances.

He wanted her away from him. Now, she will yet be with him, though in a professional rather than personal capacity.

But as Madhu has shown in flashes of superb nuancing (Kudos, DD), she is deluding herself about her feelings rather than actually acknowledge any need to erase them.

Bravado may do wonders for appearance, especially with terrific sharp dialogues, but it's a sandcastle that may crash before a wave.

And yet, having Madhu combative rather than enduring antagonism makes for wonderful scenes. She is indeed - to RK and the audience - a lioness.😳😃

Proceeding with the belief that RK is pretending, his maintaining the behaviour he has so far over an even longer period of time should be ever more beneficial in hopefully causing her to become more distanced from her feelings for him.

So the point is whether he doubts his ability to continue pretending in front of Madhu for protracted durations on a regular basis.

A pretence unscripted where he must even guard every reaction of his.

One would think such a doubt on his part to be both prudent and sensible.

Madhu knows him, and whatever her verbal claims of moving on, she is as completely bound to his hurt as he so reflexively yesterday revealed himself to be bound to her hurt.

RK managed three flawless malicious performances for Madhu, and by the time the fourth performance was needed in this ep, he was having to turn his back on her for stretches of conversation that he might be able to taunt with greater spite.

The question is whether - with Madhu insisting on taking the job - RK may not soon find it paradoxically both torture and pleasure to have her near.

She would wish to prove herself indifferent or at least hostile, and she is most assuredly not party to his mother's and Bittuji's machinations for reconciliation.

But this means that while he is going to have to continue to pretend at home, he will also have to maintain the pretence at work even in Bittuji's absence - unlike during the interview in yesterday's ep.

And the temptation to have her near - even with the need to keep the bitterness unremitting - may be a draught at once of both sweet poison and bitter nectar.😳

Which may be why he appears desperate to have her away from him rather than near.

The latter would be a very good thing if he could be sure of his own act.

But if that act falters any worse than it did today, then he might as well not have crafted the preceding scenes on the two previous days.

And one very great difference in the game this time is that RK is not playing for the pleasure of a challenge and a win.

Where once he would tolerate no one else disrespecting her, however ill he might treat her, now he would be willing to use any and all peripheral individuals to strike at her that she may leave.

Madhu may be assuming the game he once played has merely been resumed, and she would need to fight harder to hold her place.

But if in truth, this is a different act altogether, then he will be fighting back from a cornered position, where his appreciation for her courage and spirit may not this time translate into good-humouredly planning his next move in a game of one-upmanship.

One very curious thing.

RK's film-names as depicted in posters - just one word - always seem to start off apparently representing him, and then rebound onto Madhu instead.

The first was 'Qaidi'.

RK got into jail for four days, but Madhu's life got encircled first by his doing and then beyond his doing.

Now, 'Ahankaar'.

At this stage, as far as the audience or the characters - especially Madhu - know, it is 'ahankaar' (arrogance/ego) that is driving RK.

But if one recalls the context to 'Qaidi', then how many days before 'ahankaar' too is shaken from its presently comprehended context?

Tomorrow's ep being the landmark 200th ep, the precap indicates that the ep will be a bit more steeped in the filmworld, perhaps unlike its unusual prioritization of the lives of the characters outside the sets.

Four more eps to go to the end of the CVs-announced 'two weeks' timeframe.😊


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Madhubala - Ek Cactus Ek Clueless

Madhubala - Ek Jungli Billi Ek Bigdel Bachha

I can go on in this vein for quite some time...😉

Today was all about Women Power. Radha started it in the first segment. She seems to have taken a leaf from Madhu and has started testing her own strength. It took courage for her to come to Madhu and admit that she was behind the studio fiasco. Madhu initially does not want to be any part of mission 'Break RK" but Radha's words finally get to her and she decides to go back to the hair dresser job.

So finally RK ne Madhu ka saman hataya eh apne kamre se. Wonder if Bappa has been spared from this cleanup. Arre RK, Madhu ka saman phek sakta hai tu but how will you remove her from your heart and mind?

Madhu RK confrontation was superb. 🥳 🥳 Aaj hamari takkar hai!!!! Too good. 😆 😆

What fundu dialogs Madhu mar rahi thi. I am sure deep down she must be scared, petrified but she refused to bow down to him. Her mantra has now become a background and I think will remain as the background music for quite some time. RK was speechless. !!!!

Madhubala ka naya avatar. Last week's karun rasa has been now replaced by Veer rasa.👏 👏

RK to get a healthy dose of the Wild(or Wise?) Woman's Wicked Wrath. RK's perception of women in his life (his mother, Dipali, Madhu before her heartbreak) is the species which is weak, immoral and spineless. He is about to get reintroduced to a woman who is a force to reckon with. Ek aandhi jo uske jivan to yet again titar bitar kar degi (a storm that will rip his life apart yet again). Bring it on RK. This time around Madhu has the added advantage of knowing you better. She is better prepared formidable adversary for you now.

Ab rona nahi Madhu, RK ko rulana hai. It is time to make him come to you begging for 4 thappads. Ab ayga maza. 😃

I was simply beaming proudly at our fearless Madhu today. 👏 👏

Precap - Simply brilliant !!! Madhu is going toe-to-toe with RK in dialogbazi.
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yesterday some wanted to see what Madhu's version of the pic i posted would be...this is it!

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