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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

i know we're on episode 25, but i just had to put down a few of my thoughts on episode 24 before i even watched 25. later in the day, hope to see 25 and get up to date, now lagging behind like khushi with her mojri in the mud. sorry. 😉

ab rona mat shuru kar dena.

so he had noticed the tears welling up in her eyes just a short while ago. when he insulted her, tried to force her to wear that skimpy thing in blue. and later when he just couldn't look away as she stood there all woman in red.

he had noticed her aansoo, and it had started hurting him somewhere. the first few times of the "har baar " her tears affected him. it was beautiful. what we saw in early july of 2011 had reference and context in a statement made months later on 21 september 2012. this is story telling, writing. and there was so much of it in ipk. even when it was clear that the story was being mauled, i always felt, the writers, led by ved raj and gautam hegde, tried their best to keep something of ipk alive. and of course, the actors fought valiantly. especially barun. how hard he tried to hold on to asr while his own ph and the channel were busy letting him go to faceless "good" man hell.

as desperately perhaps as he was holding her shoulder in the scene that came just before he said that about crying.





every part of this episode felt extra carefully and lovingly crafted. the words, the framing, the lighting, the edit, the music, the perfectly timed sound effects of thunder lightning rain screeching tyres, and of course the acting. nothing faltered, everything fell into place and said much more than what was apparent. we were almost being invited to look deeper. go beyond the veil, that sheet of rain, find the hints and clues scattered just beneath the layer.

as the water streamed in torrents it was as though he was drowning. in her. his eyes said he'd forgotten everything in the turmoil of that moment, when he thought she was going to be hit by that car, and he just lunged forward, caught her, and felt her body close against him. something seemed to have taken the wind out of him, and it was more than the panic of the moment. he doesn't let go,even when it is fine to do so.

she notices first. then he. how his fingers grip her slight shoulder. then as though realising something he doesn't even want to look at, he pushes her away. one swift move. and as she looks on shocked, he turns and begins to walk away. the ocean ebbs... but not for long. again he turns. looks at her, now his gaze is holding on. he doesn't want to. but there it is.

the only thing to break the spell is anger. so it is summoned. and then the ocean surges back toward its shore, jacket in hand.

"kyon mujhe pahli baar aisa laga ki main... ki main shayad kuch galat kar raha hoon.

main sahi hoon.

main jo kar raha hoon, sahi hai

phir kyon

kyon mujhe ussika khaya baar barr aa raha hai

sirf ussika chehra

mujhe bura nahi lag sakta

nahi

uss ladki ke liye toh kabhi bhi nahin

arnav singh raizada ko kissi ladki se koi faraq nahin padta!"


those words throw a poignant light on the character of arnav singh raizada. wrapped among those simple direct sentences is a story of a man's whole life somewhere. there was a terrible "galat" in that life, and that set him on the path to never be wrong, to do and be right. "sahi." in his eyes even the whiff of galat is intolerable. zero tolerance. why?

and that need to be right. so absolute. why? and why too that last sentence: no girl makes any difference to asr. why the accent on "kissi bhi." what had happened that involved a girl and lots of galat? that was so central to his inner sense of himself? he could handle a lighter, less involved relationship like the one with lavanya, where obviously his and possibly her deepest part weren't involved, but he was determined "kissi ladki se koi farq nahin padta." powerful crux to a character. delving into it could lead to such riveting places. certainly there was lots more to the tale when it all started. i so wish we'd heard it all.

his mind plays back every instant in their lives when he was harsh, wrong in his action toward her: the snapping of the dori, the tearing of the dupatta, the dropping off the upper floor, the forcing her to model. he can't bear it. he stops, and steps out into the rain, seeking answers, perhaps absolution.

we see the deep conscience of a man and his ability to examine himself. had he been the brusque, win at all cost guy, who uses his power, money, gender to get his way, would he have saved her, or walked back with a jacket, or screeched to a halt in the middle of the road to have that conversation with his self? his first one before us.

wonderfully though in the sentences, his admission that she has begun to enter his mind, transgress his sacred isolation. he is thinking of her, baar baar.

barun's body language was outstanding in this sequence. as though he is trying to fend off a terrible thing, stiffening his being up against the onslaught, putting his feet firmly on the ground so that he can't be knocked off them. first the storm in his eyes, then the growing resolve. no. he will not give in. when is the last time i saw such superb interpretation and direction.



"jiji toh sabse zyada. aur upar se aaj jiji ka... woh darasal aaj hamari jiiji ka janamdin hai...

pata nahin hum aap ko yeh sab kyon bata rahein hain.. woh asal mein hamse chupi sahi nahin jaati... issliye hum kuch zyadahi bol dete hain"

khushi kumari gupta was lovely today, even more beautiful than in that red saree of hers i thought. sanaya's delicate features gleamed highlighted by the light reflected off the water clinging to them. she was slim and enchantingly vulnerable looking at this time, and the camera seemed to adore her innocent yet strong and always a bit nutty khushi.


she was like chandni raat and he like dhoop. and shew as about to get really mad at him for all the terrible things he'd put her through.



"maaf kijiye...par woh issi khitab ke layak hain... kyonki woh.."

and smoothly, almost tenderly, akash cuts in:

"sakht hai, (a little pause and a smile)

unka swabhav aisa ho gaya... bahut hi kam umr mein unpar bahut zimmadari aa gayi thi..."

how much love for that rude man in his cousin's voice. and the story begins to open. something happened to him at a very young age. something that made him so hard. when i connect it to the man in question's own break down in the rain, the rain seems to enter my heart, healing and hurting at once. screenplay, oh the sheer brilliance of it here.

"hum yeh sab nahin jaante...

par aapke swabhav aur unke swabhav mein kitna antar hai... aap kitne sajjan purush hai, aur woh, rakshas hai, rakshas!"

at rakshas, the biggest testimony to asr's character, the driver turned with almost a glare at the one calling his boss all sorts of things. akash gestured: no, calm down. the man who barks and yells at all, seems to command a strong sense of loyalty from those he never bothers to be politically correct around. interesting. and again clever screenplay to say much without wasting any time. all these days we've seen how awful asr is, now it's time to wonder, is he?




while one man seemed to leave her in the downpour and walk away at a late hour, two men stepped up and offered safety, shelter. makan, shelter, a basic need came to mind. and what is the role of these two men? akash held firm in his resolve and refused to let her be, though khushi in her "i can manage" way urged him to go. he acted as a true friend, he was also the one to point out to her that she was special for she had dared to defy one whom everyone feared. shyam would offer her shelter too in the form of a husband one day, but that would be as much of a lie as his answer to her question as to why he stares at her like that.

and the man who walked away? no, he didn't give her an umbrella, but he sheltered her in his arms, shielded her with his life. that car could have hit him.




a jacket and a dupatta. kapda, another fundamental requirement, clothing. he offered to cover her against the rain with something from his body. the amount of symbolism that holds especiallly in the context of indian weddings where a vastra from the man covers the head of the bride as a sign of "i take care of you food and shelter," is staggering. and the intensity in barun almost gave a sense of sanctity to that offer. off course, he then flung it at her, angry at his own feelings.

and she as much on cue it seemed, rejected the offer. angry at this heartless man, unwilling to take any help from him. whereas akash's offer of a gift for her sister got accepted. and so a lovely yarn was spun around how a man's gift of love, of hopes of union, of being her protector, her lover, reached the right girl. it was done so smoothly, left you breathless and happy.

the rain got mixed with a visual connection between another set of lovers who were not at all aware of their emotions. yet. but joined they were by a sneeze, thanks to a naughty storyteller.

haan, said she. choo, completed he.

and the deal was sealed. his eyes looked troubled and lost still. and then in walked nani and reminded him of a diya. torment again. only to be saved by mention of his sister's troubled state of mind. kya? kya hua di ke mood ko? and after mami had given her account in the way only she can, he wanted to know if di had given that woman a piece of her mind. in the midst of this exchange, the cutest raction from anjali to her lecture giving bro: go dry your own hair, a little towel fling (so you think you can get away with jacket fling). hwo cute and natural was daljeet here.

and then the cutest smile from her brother, a little glimpse almost of that boy of "kam umr" on whom had come all that "zimmedari." there was a part of arnav singh raizada kkg would never have believe existed. today i am dazed by it, a few days down the road she will be too, by that same tenderness in the man for his sis. again, beautiful design, nothing is wasted, superfluous, gratuitous. every opportunity is taken to enrich the narrative.




"tumhe nahin lag raha tum uss chhotey se employee ko kuch zyada dhyan de rahe o?"

"enough lavanya... number!"

"khushi kumari gupta... itni asani se chaain ki saans nahin lene doonga tumhe."

chain ki saans. she has robbed him of his peace of mind, how can he let her rest. our journey to faraq padta hai and hamari dhadkane has begun in earnest.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Indi Muahhh 👏seriously your take on Dialogues is just amazing.Blue section I just adored today.Yes one side of him was occupied by her no matter he accepts it or not at this point.These early epis hold so much in it I wish they carried the same later on but alas.I always wanted to know and see the whole PAST which they butchered just so many things were slashed but at this point they were going in the right straight to our hearts.As LM said recently they changed the story and he left after 6 months we all saw that plunge in the story.I don't want to blame anymore but it does hurt .Such a beautiful story and such a beautiful cast and yes you are right BARUN did his best to keep his character up to mark otherwise Khushi was not Khushi anymore.I guess thats why they like Sanaya more becz she just goes by the flow but Barun is a man of principles in his life too.
Yes Indeed

our journey to faraq padta hai and hamari dhadkane has begun in earnest.

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Posted: 12 years ago
@Indi

arshihamesha, 👏 👏

loved your episode 24 analysis. especially your interpretation of why khushi saw shyam but he missed her in the car, and why her foot was stuck in the mud. she has started to crack the code of his locked heart as you put it. that's beautiful. i think of him as the ocean, with hidden treasure in his depth. pearls. somewhere she is his pearl of happiness too as well as his shore giving him all the shore gives the ocean.

you refer to mannat ki chabi, another loaded symbol. must discuss and swoon together. 😆


Thnx for your lovely feedback.Yes he ocean of LOVE thats my take for him full of everything he did show that side later but in the case of Khushi he was always OCEAN no matter what state hate, love, care etc.Indi until 2:00 at night I was up and me and Barun were reading around and found interested thoughts poured by different minds and I reached to the point and actually a Q "Is it possible to get a show with every single element like this again? My answer is NO.May be in future but that future holds a big deal of TIME
Edited by ArshiHamesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

arshi hamesha,

episode 25 analysis of yours was very interesting as usual. you mention chess. 😃 on crooner we often spoke of that. definitely a feeling of a game being set with designated roles and places for players is in the air. it was a smart thing to do, otherwise , how do you keep all the different characters tied to a central theme. everything would start to pull i diff directions. agree about those early writers. they were brill. and they had many dreams as to where they could take the whole thing.

as for daadi, my gut feel, she never did exist in the initial game plan. perhaps that chacha at sheesh mahal did. and maybe just maybe, someone in shyam's life who'd been hurt by arnav's dad. certainly the story was never as simple as garima had an affair with sr malik and so asr's mother shot herself, and so did his dad. then there would be no need for thsi board to be carefully calibrated and set up.

lovely take. those sneezes together and di's bless you, that poolside meeting, and her taking his place, great interpretations.


Yes agreed in red I know I did not mention that as at this point we know what happened but you absolutely right Dadi was not the part of the plan it was Chacha ji.My BP goes up when I feel what they did to this story Arggg😡 It was not simple love story but but but----------Anyway its useless now.Thnx😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
thnx for the link

loved maha epi..

arnav was sooo rude..

and poor khushi was struck in big problem...
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Arshihamesha. Loved your take on 25. Here are my notes.
Actors roles as Chess pieces just brilliant, Love it!
Check + Mate Fabulous!
Owner's Car/ Arnav Protects Kushi directly or indirectly!!!! Just love it!
Saffron/Haldi milk and its symbolization to the warrior and his quest for light! OMG!!!!
Kushi enters RM WITH ASR permission!!!!!
Why do we hate Shyam? Because HE IS A CREEP AND LUSTS FOR KUSHI... Simple.
Arnav's mind is Kushi's Castle- Brilliant!
"Damage to ASR shell to release free soul of Arnav!!!"
Poolside is their sacred place to cheris the divine proximity of each other...beautiful
Agree- He will always be there to save Kushi
Disagree- He didn't save her this time she saved him!
"they are int this together. True soulmates"
Kushi sitting in ASR chair is FATE He thinks she is a gold digger.
the sneeze and the blessing!
They Are both saying everything without saying anything...My absolute favorite line!!!!

As always written magnificently. I await the Maha...



Edited by cinthiann1758 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
episode 25

atishoo atishoo we all fall down.

caught between two sneezes, episode 25. and a design that moved from light to passion again. perhaps after the last two episodes that had made breathing difficult, it had been decided to give the viewers a respite. because after that, wham, it was mahaepisode time.

this week it became clear that there was an attack on the dimaag man's dil. and try as he might he couldn't slam the gates shut. the enemy had crossed the drawbridge and stood there, one mojri in. yet the valiant asr tried. poor arnav singh raizada. reminded me strangely of poor professor higgins. bit of eliza in nutty and innocent ms kkg certainly, and a bit of higgins's crusty matter of factness in asr.

at the first sneeze, khushi managed to make a mess of lighting the candle on payal's cake, shyam offered his kind help, ugh. and everything went gentle, sweet, lilting then on, buaji's pointed remarks the only riff of nastiness, a perfect accent. between buaji and mamiji they make sure the sweetness level never exceeds a certain limit, good for our health the two extreme aunts. but what's this buaji, cake for nandkissore? hai re, aren't there eggs in it? must say, that cake was a nice touch, even the most desi homes somehow associate birthday with the phoren concept of cake.

on the other side seethed the man under siege, as he paced up and downhaldi doodh in hand. a lovely desi touch to the angry young cosmopolitan man. he's looking for a way to make sure she doesn't get chain ki saans. he must get her out of his mind, his life, he must get her to resign. type me a million letters on rickety typewriter now and come and give it to me seven am tomorrow. as he makes his unreasonable demand, the mercury rises just a bit, then again back to calm and cool. and shyam leering at jhalli while she clickety clacks the night away, cursing the rakshas with three names every time she comes up for air.

rakshas in the meantime is in bed, first time i'm seeing him there and looking away is impossible. however, sleep eludes him. only thoughts of her. try as he might, no use, she's there. now turning around, innocent alluring beautiful in red. and now in the rain, shivering, soaked to the bone, trembling; he wants to protect her. toss, turn, and toss some more. poor asr. life just ain't fair.




morning brings bright and competent khushi in sunny yellow churidar kameez edged with gota, to rm. the humour level is up, khushi's expression upon making an unthinkable connection is a clear sign of it. laad governor is the brother of the ladylike anjaliji? what.


and even as the poor girl tries to come to terms with it, the next shock. what the... the man loves to garden. he's poring over his plants, so unlike the man she meets otherwise. she can't seem to process the information.


just at that moment, he turns and seeing her standing there, completely taken aback, he trips on the edge of the pool and falls. but she reaches out instinctively, as does he, and steadies him. no fall. just the perfect first poolside rabba vey. both gripping the other's arm. this time she notices her hand holding him and lets go.


his eyes start to darken looking into her face, again that searching gaze. then the spell is broken. everything is lighter today though, even him. he's somehow less brusque and peremptory, but taciturn as ever. maybe it's an early morning state of mind, only when he's at home, and before the jacket comes on.

first rabba vey by her tears, the next under a sheet of rain, and now by the pool. water water everywhere. the ocean is never too far, is it.

somehow anjali is a crucial part of this meeting of the two at rm. she will have a major role in their lives no doubt. right now, he's surprised di knows this girl. and despite his insistence and her reluctance, di is not letting her go without having something to eat. it's one of those days and anjali will not give in.

so we come to the dining table and naniji's insistent but loving hospitality, khushi must sit here right next to her where chhotey usually sits. mamiji peppers the scene with her balancing rudenesss in chaste engleesiya. anjali is indulgent. then the man walks in. the jacket is on, and oh does brown work for him.


khushi sees the look and tenses up, now what's coming.


things would have gone on in this vein if it hadn't been for the second sneeze.they both sneezed at the very same instant. a look at each other across the table. di said bless you to both. maybe they'd recover from the moment quickly.


then nani reminded them of the rain. did khushi get drenched last night like chhotey? the night before she had mentioned the diya, fire, and brought khushi right back to his mind. today she spoke of water, and in a second, heat rushed in. the scene grew dense, the music passionate, tempo rising.
they looked at each other. memories flashed.

in khushi's mind




in asr's mind,


just the two of them. close, up against each other. he couldn't stop looking. and she kept on asking things unknown.

Edited by indi52 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: BarunDiwani


NICE!!! my thought in black bold :)


Lol I will totally,let you use maha hot for sobti...maha hit or maha sexy is the only way to describe him
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha

Indi Muahhh 👏seriously your take on Dialogues is just amazing.Blue section I just adored today.Yes one side of him was occupied by her no matter he accepts it or not at this point.These early epis hold so much in it I wish they carried the same later on but alas.I always wanted to know and see the whole PAST which they butchered just so many things were slashed but at this point they were going in the right straight to our hearts.As LM said recently they changed the story and he left after 6 months we all saw that plunge in the story.I don't want to blame anymore but it does hurt .Such a beautiful story and such a beautiful cast and yes you are right BARUN did his best to keep his character up to mark otherwise Khushi was not Khushi anymore.I guess thats why they like Sanaya more becz she just goes by the flow but Barun is a man of principles in his life too.
Yes Indeed

our journey to faraq padta hai and hamari dhadkane has begun in earnest.



thank you, sir.

the episode felt near perfect to me. no pandering to anybody. sheer storytelling. so powerful. i just allowed myself to get carried away.

i feel the same sadness, anger, frustration every time i think of how brilliant thsi tale might have been. then i just say let it be, we have thsi. and mich more. i'll keep that.

similar feelings about sanaya nad barun. and i so so so wish they hadn't completely sp-fied and made bland and boring the adorable kkg. in fact i wanted to see her evolve in her own way. every imporetant relationship, makes us change. i would really have wanted to see her get more bold, get a little lavanyaness just as la allowed a bit of khushi's thoughts in when she fell deeply in love. maybe watch khushi not need her stars anymore, be willing to feel the pain of being 8 and alone, now that he is there to hold her heart and keep it safe.

so many things. but not to be. in the meantime, we enjoy 😉.

thanks again.

Edited by indi52 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

atishoo atishoo we all fall down.
caught between two sneezes, episode 25. and a design that moved from light to passion again. perhaps after the last two episodes that had made breathing difficult, it had been decided to give the viewers a respite. because after that, wham, it was mahaepisode time.

this week it became clear that there was an attack on the dimaag man's dil. and try as he might he couldn't slam the gates shut. the enemy had crossed the drawbridge and stood there, one mojri in. yet the valiant asr tried. poor arnav singh raizada. reminded me strangely of poor professor higgins. bit of eliza in nutty and innocent ms kkg certainly, and a bit of higgins's crusty matter of factness in asr. LOVED THIS ONE NICE ANALOGY

at the first sneeze, khushi managed to make a mess of lighting the candle on payal's cake, shyam offered his kind help, ugh. and everything went gentle, sweet, lilting then on, buaji's pointed remarks the only riff of nastiness, a perfect accent. between buaji and mamiji they make sure the sweetness level never exceeds a certain limit, good for our health the two extreme aunts. but what's this buaji, cake for nandkissore? hai re, aren't there eggs in it? must say, that cake was a nice touch, even the most desi homes somehow associate birthday with the phoren concept of cake.

on the other side seethed the man under siege, as he paced up and downhaldi doodh in hand. a lovely desi touch to the angry young cosmopolitan man. he's looking for a way to make sure she doesn't get chain ki saans. he must get her out of his mind, his life, he must get her to resign. type me a million letters on rickety typewriter LOL same here now and come and give it to me seven am tomorrow. as he makes his unreasonable demand, the mercury rises just a bit, then again back to calm and cool. and shyam leering at jhalli DID NOT LIKE HIMwhile she clickety clacks the night away, cursing the rakshas with three names every time she comes up for air.

rakshas in the meantime is in bed, first time i'm seeing him there and looking away is impossible. however, sleep eludes him. only thoughts of her. try as he might, no use, she's there. now turning around, innocent alluring beautiful in red. and now in the rain, shivering, soaked to the bone, trembling; he wants to protect her. toss, turn, and toss some more. poor asr. life just ain't fair.




morning brings bright and competent khushi in sunny yellow churidar kameez edged with gota, to rm. the humour level is up, khushi's expression upon making an unthinkable connection is a clear sign of it. laad governor is the brother of the ladylike anjaliji? what.I KNOW I LOVED THIS TOO THEY NEVER GO OTT LEVEL IN EARLY EPIS


and even as the poor girl tries to come to terms with it, the next shock. what the... the man loves to garden. he's poring over his plants, so unlike the man she meets otherwise.she can't seem to process the information.


just at that moment, he turns and seeing her standing there, completely taken aback, he trips on the edge of the pool and falls. but she reaches out instinctively, as does he, and steadies him. no fall. just the perfect first poolside rabba vey. both gripping the other's arm. THEY BOTH WERE HOLDING TOGETHER. LOVE THAT.this time she notices her hand holding him and lets go.


his eyes start to darken looking into her face, again that searching gaze. then the spell is broken. everything is lighter today though, even him. he's somehow less brusque and peremptory, but taciturn as ever.TODAY HE IS IN DENIAL MODE MY POV maybe it's an early morning state of mind, only when he's at home, and before the jacket comes on.

first rabba vey by her tears, the next under a sheet of rain, and now by the pool. water water everywhere. the ocean is never too far, is it.YES ITS READY CRACKING AND MAKING ITS WAY.TOO GOOD

somehow anjali is a crucial part of this meeting of the two at rm. she will have a major role in their lives no doubt. right now, he's surprised di knows this girl. and despite his insistence and her reluctance, di is not letting her go without having something to eat. it's one of those days and anjali will not give in.AND HE HAS TO ABIDE BY APPARENTLY

so we come to the dining table and naniji's insistent but loving hospitality, khushi must sit here right next to her where chhotey usually sits. mamiji peppers the scene with her balancing rudenesss in chaste engleesiya. anjali is indulgent. then the man walks in. the jacket is on, and oh does brown work for him.


khushi sees the look and tenses up, now what's coming.


things would have gone on in this vein if it hadn't been for the second sneeze.they both sneezed at the very same instant. a look at each other across the table. di said bless you to both. maybe they'd recover from the moment quickly.


then nani reminded them of the rain. did khushi get drenched last night like chhotey? the night before she had mentioned the diya, fire, and brought khushi right back to his mind. today she spoke of water, and in a second, heat rushed in. the scene grew dense, the music passionate, tempo rising.
they looked at each other. memories flashed.

in khushi's mind




in asr's mind,


just the two of them. close, up against each other. he couldn't stop looking. and she kept on asking things unknown.
VERY VISIBLE THEY BOTH ARE IN IT EVEN ONE IS DEEPER THAN THE OTHER.




LOVE IT.highlighted in blue and comments are in green
They surely searching answers 😊

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