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Posted: 13 years ago
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True!!!!!! The least the CVs could have done is research a bit more abt cancer other than the word chemotherapy and the hair loss caused by it
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sonali...Hallelujiah..
Look what I found...a case report on allogenic donation in an 8 week old pregnancy..

The increased use of granulocyte colony-stimulating factor (G-CSF) ' mobilized peripheral blood stem cells (PBSCs) for allogeneic transplantation has led to guidelines for donor evaluation procedures to protect the safety of the PBSC donor (Joint Accreditation Committee of International Society for Haematotherapy and Graft Engineering (ISHAGE)-Europe and European Group For Blood and Marrow Transplantation (EBMT), 2000). Pregnancy is a contraindication for G-CSF-induced allogeneic PBSC donation, although current information is insufficient to establish definitive exclusion criteria. Here we report an allogeneic donor with unrecognized early pregnancy at the time she underwent G-CSF induced PBSC donation.

A 29 year-old woman was selected for G-CSF-induced allogeneic PBSC donation for her 23 year-old brother suffering from non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. After informed consent was obtained, 3 weeks before PBSC donation she underwent a standardized medical examination including a detailed questionnaire regarding the possibility of a pregnancy. The donor denied any pregnancy and the physical examination and all laboratory tests were normal. For PBSC mobilization, she received a 4 day course of recombinant human G-CSF subcutaneously at a dose of 10 g/kg body weight (b.w.)/d (Filgrastim; Amgen, Thousand Oaks, USA). PBSC donation was initiated on d +5 via peripheral vein access. She tolerated PBSC apheresis without remarkable events and, after two aphereses, 205 106 CD34+ cells/kg recipients' b.w. (110 kg) were collected. After completion of stem cell apheresis, the donor was included in our institutional PBSC donor follow-up programme. At a control examination 3 months after PBSC donation she reported her pregnancy. The gynaecological examination revealed a singleton intrauterine pregnancy; gestation was calculated to have occurred 8 weeks before the start of G-CSF administration. Repeat ultrasound scans throughout pregnancy showed no malformations or intrauterine abnormalities in fetal development. Pregnancy progressed uneventfully and, after 40 weeks of gestation, the donor delivered a male baby at term. APGAR index at birth was 9, 10, 10; birth weight (342 kg) and birth length (50 cm) were within the normal percentile. Parturition and post-natal growth was unremarkable. Repeat paediatric examinations until the age of 18 months showed no evidence of haematological or immunological alterations.

Our report illustrates that in females scheduled for G-CSF-induced allogeneic PBSC donation an early pregnancy may be unrecognized, despite a careful medical examination. Considerations against the administration of G-CSF during pregnancy include an unknown risk of spontaneous abortion or the risk of embryonic or fetal malformations (Boxer et al, 1995), as well as concerns about potential long-term effects such as teratogenicity or leukaemogenity. In our donor, however, pregnancy resulted in the successful delivery of a healthy baby, which is in agreement with other case reports demonstrating no serious effect of G-CSF administration on fetal development (Fujiwaki et al, 1995; Kaufmann et al, 1998; Abe et al, 2000; Cavallaro et al, 2000). The data from these few patients, however, are inconclusive to assess the safety of G-CSF administration on gestation. Therefore, we recommend that a pregnancy test should be included in the evaluation procedure for female PBSC donors of child-bearing age as well as obtaining detailed donor information. It should be considered that informed consent from the donor is required for the pregnancy test. Ideally, after consent has been obtained, the pregnancy test should be performed on the days before the recipient's high-dose therapy has begun. Using this approach, we believe that the uncertain risks of G-CSF administration on gestation can be reduced.

^^^^^^Yea...I was right..and the doc was right too but this was real lucky..but it seems to related to the use of GCSF rather than the marrow donation itself and it was peripheral stem cell so less risky ..
The other thing mentioned by SM ..was two cancer pt..But I want to ask him..did they go through transplants ..or was it some random case of surffering from a breast cancer and writing about a marrow transplant...well that is way different ..and that too from a patient..
and lastly this 5/6 antigen match..
look at the standard donor testing..if they had done it right..
Recommended Donor Work-Up

1. Complete physical examination, including evaluation for safety risks of the collection procedure in the possible need for central venous access and/or mobilization therapy for collection of blood cells and anesthesia for the collection of marrow.
2. Complete history and physical examination including history of the following: recreational drug use, alcohol, hypertension, cigarette smoking, blood transfusion, pregnancies, abortions, recent travel, vaccinations, and malignant disease. To identify persons at risk for transmission of communication disease (as defined by the FDA), inherited conditions, and/or hematological or immunological disease, the donor must also complete an Allogeneic Donor Health History Questionnaire (HHQ) form per the FDA. Completion of this form along with a series of studies can be used to determine medical eligibility and suitability.
3. Blood workup: CBC, differential counts, complete panel, LDH, PT/PTT, blood type, and screen (at blood bank), HLA testing, and ?-hCG assessment should be obtained for female donors of childbearing potential.
4. Infectious disease testing (serologies): labs must be drawn within 30 days before stem cell or marrow collection. Labs includeCMV Ab IgG, EBV, and an infectious disease marker (IDM) panel (HIV-1 and -2 antibody, HIV antigen NAT, HTLV-1 and -2 antibody, WNV NAT, HbsAg, HBcAb, HCV NAT, RPR, CMV and type and screen). IDM panel must be tested according to FDA standards.
5. Additional recommended testing if clinically indicated, urinalysis, chest X-ray, and/or EKG. EKG required for marrow donors males >40 years, females >50 years. PPD for all donors with appropriate risk factors (valid for 6 months before donation).
6. Repeat donors: repeat donors should be evaluated according to FDA and institutional standards.

^^^^^Again ...extensive testing...no running after a nurse to repeat type and screen and HLA testing..for christ's sake...(now I am sputing religious expletives.)..gosh the more I write ..the more worked up I become..
Is a 5/6 match rare...no for god's sake..it is probably what you expect with an unrelated donor..and now the HLA matching..>>is that a blood test that comes back quickly ...gosh...so many loopholes..and saying how rare it was to get a 5/6 match..
another thing I found on a patient information website..

HLA matching

Many factors play a role in how the immune system knows the difference between "self" and "non-self," but the most important for transplants is the human leukocyte antigen (HLA) system. Human leukocyte antigens are proteins found on the surface of most cells. They make up a person's tissue type, which is different from a person's blood type.

Each person has a number of pairs of HLA antigens (the best-known ones being A, B, C, DR, DQ, and DP). We inherit one of each of these antigens from each of our parents (and pass one of each pair on to each of our children). Doctors try to match these antigens when finding a donor for a person getting a stem cell transplant.

How well the donor's and recipient's HLA tissue types match plays a large part in whether the transplant will work. A match is better when all of the major HLA antigens are the same ' a 6 out of 6 match. These have a lower chance of graft-versus-host disease, a common complication of donor transplants. For bone marrow and peripheral blood stem cell transplants, sometimes a donor with a single mismatched antigen is used ' a 5 out of 6 match. For cord blood transplants a perfect HLA match doesn't seem to be as crucial for success, and even a sample with a couple of mismatched proteins may be OK.

^^^^^I mean a 5/6 match is expected in an unrelated donor and doesn't preclude donation..SIGH ..who are they kidding...who is writing the Goddam script..I guess they should bring in the court room drama...SM needs men in little white coats to come and get him..the AUDACITY of him trying to fob off the audience and then throwing a stroppy fit to top it off when he can't handle the criticism..UFFF
that man riles me up
NOTES to self...well the bloopers probably give me more food for thought than the DRAMA it self..😆😆 see even i know all about breast cancer and here I am giving expert advice on allogenic stem cell donation after having moved my sorry butt to get on to a keyboard ..punch some keys to get some information ..what the sorry sods should have done..and this comes after being in training in the field after nearly 3 years..
@ MsXxDynamitexx...I added all the research above.Thanks for your 2 cents...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Awesome post Zain! How can you even question the intelligence of our CVs? They got every single fact right.. hum tou ullu ke phatte hain that we can't see the sheer intelligence exhibited by them in the last few episodes. (Excuse the language.)

You know I never actually watched this show for Cancer b/c I never expected them to get the disease right, this being Indian TV after all. I watched it for the lovestory and the part the disease played in that story but honestly the way the show is going... One just can't ignore the outright dumbness of it all. -_____-

Like you I too am watching the show for the story as well. Hopefully that will be back on track once Kushal returns.. *shakes head*

Until then, God help the CVs and Channel. They need it. -_-

Maham.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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thanks Zainab

I knew it.. it had to be a growth factor administration in the pregnant donor rather than her hormones affecting the recipient like the doc was tryin to suggest.. speaking of which.. OMG thanks to yer reco I saw last nights epi.. and m not exaggerating it took me more than n hr to watch a 20 min epi.. 😆 coz I kept getting distracted..

after the doc scene I laughed so freaking much... lemme copy paste the fb status i made..

thought of being brave and started watching todays EHM.. laughing like a retard at the doc cabin scene... lmaooo that dude did not do a Major histocompatibility test /HLA aka cross antigen test btw donor n recepient lmaooo in a transplantation roflll that too bone marrow.. how was that dude even a donor then.. what else is tissue typing.. ok for a min i was thinking dont think science dont think
science.. n then i see viren's same W*F look as mine.. like dude who gave you that med degree and the licence to practice you retard lmaooo and i crack up even more.. and add to it tandon looks really really sick, like he will pass out any minute.. he looks more than cancer patient than manvi..all taken together this is major unintended comedy.. and I continue being a bad bad viewer roflll


I kept on laughing and my friends joined in the digs on mera baby strong hain😆 or for tht matter the supernova Manvi who in marrow sucked mode sits amidst a bag of infections (aka vadera / tarun/ u name it she's socialized them) and mouth big time devi/ vishwaas dialogues.. n LMFAOOO at science crying its mediocre existence in a corner as the credit is taken by devi maa's signs or something😆 oh whattt unintended comedy

anyhow I digress.. even yesterday i cldnt connect the dots to the deformities but if donation requires registering amounts of growth factors that could cause teratomic effects on a growing foetus too I would imagine..

ok now coming to HLA matching.. my immunology 101 says for local grafts like skin even 4/6 can be tolerated if kept on higher doses of immune-suppressants.. in bone marrow transplant too 5/6 can be tolerated.. n i guess thts wat the retard doc ref to as RARE CASE in medical history.. but lamersss 😆 the woman has a rhesus negative type blood group.. why oh whyyy would they not do a cross antigen or even graft rejection test.. heck even for skin/ eye its a must and its done.. this is MARROW we are talking about.. PBSC now is also kinda old fashioned.. thts why i was constantly harping about placental or even better autologous or other induced pleuripotent stem cells.. all this 90s style donor matchin crap isnt even a real concern of today.. idk which era these makers come from.. oh wait .. again m THINKING.. if they werent using 90s tech.. drama kaha se aata boss.. speaking of which i couldnt connect to anything much.. even in the end.. Js dilemma and pain was half baked.. one lil scene tht caught my attn was Jeevika not meeting Viren's eyes when the family gathered to discuss things..

I am just gonna put my teeny weeny hopes on a very disappointed viren if he is kept in the dark.. and how i hope they show him in even detachment if need be.. in my mind that'll have dramatic affects on everyone.. but how dare i think of any other character graph..its pretty obvious they will only show Manvi's wrath / turmoil regarding the termination and overdose of behna nonsense again.. if it hasnt been shoot my brain excessive already..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali.19281


and add to it tandon looks really really sick, like he will pass out any minute.. he looks more than cancer patient than manvi..all taken together this is major unintended comedy.. and I continue being a bad bad viewer roflll


I kept on laughing and my friends joined in the digs on mera baby strong hain😆 or for tht matter the supernova Manvi who in marrow sucked mode sits amidst a bag of infections (aka vadera / tarun/ u name it she's socialized them) and mouth big time devi/ vishwaas dialogues.. n LMFAOOO at science crying its mediocre existence in a corner as the credit is taken by devi maa's signs or something😆 oh whattt unintended comedy

🤣 @ Blue..
Anyhow ..you have just about leashed the wrath of the fan girl brigade...kidding..I agree...
Tandon needs to rest and get well and look well..
Maanvi needs to look ill more..bt I tell you with the court room drama ..I think extensive chemo would have flown the window..
But ..I found JV's quandary in the end was very well acted out...I don't think I would use half baked..
Tell you who is..The DONOR...oh BTw ..what did you think of the Donor 's tete a tete with Maanvi...LMFAOOO????
and hopes on Viren...I betcha...he is going to have a raw nerve..all that being good is going to out in one explosive ASR' ish like What the???
Anyho...thanks for coming by and making my Weekend...I am soo ROFLING at your comments..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Maham...
Meri Pyaari...I swear your language was colourful but doesn't quite do the justice for the current track...which is on how to do everything with cinematic liberty...yes liberty to do away with the sheer cinematic aspect of it all...
and as to rest...I too hope the story comes back ..before it is too late..
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@ Maham...

Meri Pyaari...I swear your language was colourful but doesn't quite do the justice for the current track...which is on how to do everything with cinematic liberty...yes liberty to do away with the sheer cinematic aspect of it all...
and as to rest...I too hope the story comes back ..before it is too late..


Ofcourse it doesn't.. I'm fairly sure I would get banned from here if I do decide to do justice to the current track. Our writers are very... imaginative aren't they? Fascinating really how you can completely destroy a good story.. My imagination is very limited over there.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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😆 gladdd my painful viewing exp worked for u😆 well the JV quandary did not find the desired effect on me coz all through the pregnancy J hasnt spared much a moment of tht/ care on the baby apart from a random knitting or 2 😆.. but I guess the worth comes through when you risk losing it.. so on tht aspect I guess it meant something.. i was too fried by the time i got there.. this was more painful than geography man😆

but lemme give you a good read on this weekend.. well written article.. although I dont quite know about the old is gold show she takes reference from but i do completely concur on the where is the simple story-telling that touched us.. i guess that's what attracted me to EHM first but now its far from it.. typical SP drama nothing else.. at least show the drama Swamz style then😆 y make her a good hrted wimp.. mehhh

anyhow here goes

http://unboxedwriters.com/2012/08/the-end-of-simplicity/
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali.19281

😆 gladdd my painful viewing exp worked for u😆 well the JV quandary did not find the desired effect on me coz all through the pregnancy J hasnt spared much a moment of tht/ care on the baby apart from a random knitting or 2 😆.. but I guess the worth comes through when you risk losing it.. so on tht aspect I guess it meant something.. i was too fried by the time i got there.. this was more painful than geography man😆


but lemme give you a good read on this weekend.. well written article.. although I dont quite know about the old is gold show she takes reference from but i do completely concur on the where is the simple story-telling that touched us.. i guess that's what attracted me to EHM first but now its far from it.. typical SP drama nothing else.. at least show the drama Swamz style then😆 y make her a good hrted wimp.. mehhh

anyhow here goes

http://unboxedwriters.com/2012/08/the-end-of-simplicity/


@Bold: I have to agree.. Her plight refuses to touch me for the same reason.. Half of time I used to feel as if she doesn't care about the child at all hence the dilemma of choosing b/w your sister and your unborn child fell completely flat for me. It could have been really brilliant and powerful... The show has been generally good in capturing the emotional aspect of Cancer if not the medical aspect.. They failed on both counts this time around.

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