Why the suhaag raat scene felt right and wrong

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Posted: 13 years ago
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They are in love,

They have had the undercurrent of sexual desire for ages now,

Khushi also wants him. But being traditional and being a girl she is more restrained. Her mixed signals are nothing but this confusion of love versus traditional values.

ASR wants her from the day he saw her in the red saree and he still does. Being a guy he has had his moments of weakness in the past which has grown more frequent recently. His recent aggression is nothing but a need to own her body and soul and make her his wife in every way, kind of put a stamp on her, because this is also a way of stopping her from leaving the contract marriage.

So if you look at it from the perspective that they are two lovers, who have known each other for months, desired each other, shared some intimacy on and off (flashback to the kiss and miss scenes and the many hugs), what happened when ASR wanted to consummate was a natural progression of this love and desire.

He is the same man who has lived with this girl in close proximity and never once forced her. He even put a Lakshman Rekha between them.

Khushi is the same girl who has almost always given in with some shy protests.

So this moment was long expected.

It was just a moment between two lovers and two people in love.

So that part of it felt just right. Arnav may have shown aggression, but to his credit he has always been restrained and he also stopped, which is a tough call for any guy. He did respect her wishes.

Now as for why it felt wrong to many.

What was supposed to be a mutual moment became his choice. It felt like domination.

What was should have had a prelude with roses and sweet talks began with a scolding and a command.

What was supposed to be a sweet moment between a husband and wife, did not ring true because they are not really husband and wife.

What was supposed to be natural became unnatural because the contract would soon end and as we know the affected party is always the girl.

What rankled was that this girl has still not got a proper, decent wedding and he has only started respecting her in front of the family and giving her love himself. So it felt too soon.

It is the ASR'ish part of it which had so many posts that he did not respect Khushi's wishes. So it felt wrong to many. Combine thi with the history of how he has always treated her in the past, things do feel very wrong.

But looking at it from ASR's point of view, he loves the girl.

He has already decided he is never going to let her go.

He is clueless about rituals and their importance. This is the same guy who wanted live in with La.

He is clueless about her feelings for things like rituals like most guys are (sorry guys)

He is in the throes of passion which he has controlled for one and half years.

He has concluded that he wants her and went about it in his own style.

...So call it wrong or call it right'but the intention was simply to take their marriage to the next level 'and give it a semblance of permanence'and give their love a culmination'and finally exercise his rights as her husband'which he eventually did not.

'The whole judgment angle is because of the past and what ASR has done to Khushi in the past'

But looked at in isolation, the guy was simply giving in to feelings and love'yes it was selfish to not consider what she wanted'but if you see he only knew how serious she was about the pheras when she stopped her'.and then he did stop.

This is perhaps my longest post where I am perhaps defending ASR. But this is my unbiased view. Whenever ASR errs in love, he gets the benefit of doubt. It is only when he errs in hate, that it is really tough to take...you see one can't help love, but one can help hate,

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Posted: 13 years ago
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ASR is a man who doesn't value rituals..And how would he??His own parents didn't apparently have a happy married life...his own Brother-in-law cheated his sister...Both these couples had taken pheres,went through every wedding rituals...Still nothing went right for them...

A 14 year old...Orphaned and that too because both parents committed suicide..A 14 year old forced to see an extra marital affair between his father and that "Other woman"...his mother shattered..the whole family torn asunder...

Like a phoenix..he rose from the ashes of his past..build his life..and became the master of his house and above all...tried to keep himself away from any bondings..

Now he met Khushi..I'm not going into what wrongs he did to her...But we can never forget..in spite of his larger than life image..He's a human being..made of flesh and blood..And the sexual undercurrents were always there between him and Khushi..He has always desired Khushi...but being a gentleman he has always shoved that desire aside...Now after kidnapping..the equation has changed between the two...the physical proximity has increased...Both love each other and both know that..Now under such circumstances..Is it so unnatural that his carnal desires are evoked again??!!It's just not lust..He desires the woman he loves more than anything...Khushi is his anchor..his reason for being..He's desiring his wife...

And above all...he's totally shattered that Khushi values rituals and customs more than their mutual passion and feelings...That made him more furious than anything...

ASR is a complex human being...Subtle emotions are not his forte..He always has had an "In your face" attitude..and though one can always question his methods..No one can and should ever question the fact that he loves Khushi like anything...After all ASR is a PASSIONATE man...!!
Edited by sampin - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hoo!!!!!!finally first page in rima s post!!!!!!!


as usual it was brilliantly written!!!!!i always adore ur posts because it is always unbiased!!!!loved the way u evaluated the scenes...in two different perspectives...for me...its really working...to understand point of views of these two lovers...for me after this 1 year old journey it was for the first time asr shown @his true feelings...bcs we all know he wanted her for long time...but he always pushed her away...wen he in side his heart wanted to pull her to him(remember the hug scene...where family interrupted)...2day he wanted was to make her his...like u say put a stamp on her so that she will never ever leave him...we can see only a selfish or possessive lover there...and ..he ordered her to change dress and commanded her was not intended to do...he called her so sweetly before...but she didnt come...so he being asr became angry!!!!!!as we all know anger and asr never break apart!!!!and later on anger was not bcs he didnt get intimacy with her...but wat effected him was she saying they are not husband n wife...he consider her as wife...now...and anything that come between them cant be tolerated by this lover asr...even if its phere makes them apart for atleast some time/..he cant stand the fact that rituals which for him doesnt mean a thing come in between them nd feelings as if now

Edited by sanja_here - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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beautiful analysis.loved your points dear.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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From ASR's POV :
quantity aspects of life matter a lot
keeping his past & current situation in mind he has never seen marriages successful to rely on
i wont comment on his past because its not revealed
(all the analysis on the forum may or may not come true)
i will comment about his sis who's 2nd marriage is also broken
life made him get a feeling that rituals are sort of a hindrance rather an access to get what u desire

when he wanted to confess his feelings which existed but he realized later on but then he went through a major MU which led to a contract marriage & in all this he got kidnapped

he always was attracted to Khushi whether it was physically or from the heart
he has sort of valued Khushi by not forcing her when he came to know the reality & fighting his own feelings
now that everything is sorted he wants to take it to the next level
here lies the issue he still has not understood what Khushi because of Khushi's mixed signals by allowing the close proximity & at the same time saying they are not completely married

he is slowly & gradually understanding how he may have to deal with situations



From Khushi's POV :
rituals, rules, respect, affection care etc all these quality aspects of life matter a lot which support the quantity aspects of life
she has always valued her loved ones, she dreamt of dream wedding
she fell in love with ASR inspite of his ruthless behaviour, she thought he loves her
due to the contract marriage & MU she thought she was wrong again
ASR has given her alot of mixed signals
now that everything is out the feelings still exist but she has this incomplete feeling that yes she is in love & wants to take the marriage ahead along with that she wants the society also to accept it because she always lived in that surrounding & perspective


Bottom line what i have seen is both have given each other mixed signals at every step which led to alot of anger, hesitation & confusion from both sides

as both still have different understanding & perspectives towards marriage their next step is different leading to frustration from ASR & tears from Khushi.

i hope i have made sense

Edited by Harshitha - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ah...yippee i am on the first page...
Coming to ASR...i no where think he forced her...he loves het be it emotionally or physically...
When Khushi entered wearing that lehenga she could have said i dont want to take this marriage to next level...she remembered het pheres when she saw radha krishna murti...
The moment she said "nahi" he stopped and asked "whats wrong khushi."..
ASR gives a damn about rituals but khushi who treasures it did not remember it until nani said so..suddenly after dix months she brought this thing up..
I feel really sad to read post saying ASR forced her..please girls just see the videos about rape and understand the difference...

Also respecting elders is important when this same ASR acts arrogant in front of dadi awww..he is so cute...
He never believed in them nor i want him to change but yes if khushi wants them he should do them which i am sure he will...

Edited by Swati_ - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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As always..your post is just superb ..making points very clear..loved your post..😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Rima u have to give this credit that he is of strong character...he never tried to take advantage of Khushi when he misunderstood her and only want this now bcz he is sure of his feelings now but he is not gonna change overnight he said so himself when he gave her the present that "main Asia hi hoon" when Khushi asked him that is this the way to give your wife a present?...he will never be a softy in love bcz with Khushi only he can be himself in love...like u said rima he wants to take this relationship to the culmination so that Khushi won't leave him after the contract is over...I am sure he will give in for a proper marriage eventually to protect her honour but Khushi has to be patient with him.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I stand with you, Rima- not for defending ASR, but for justifying him.
Now that we are here, I have finally understood that ASR doesn't play the rough card despite the fact the he loves Khushi, it's BECAUSE of the fact he loves Khushi.
What makes him a Beast? His actions.
What justifies him? His intentions.

This show is not just about two star crossed lovers bound together by fate, it's also about the Evolution of the Beast. Yes, you can argue that we always seem to arrive back to square one...yet, Arnav HAS changed- accepting Khushi as one of the most important people in his life, finally welcoming the sweet feeling of love in his stone heart, wanting to make her his wife forever.

What the Forum expects is...for him to have a long jump to the Prince Charming department, altogether with the white horse and red roses. This, my friends, would be a creative disaster. A failed characterization. But I assure you, something close to this will surely happen...in the end. When the Beauty will be successful in evolving the Beast [I hope some beastly traits forever remain, though. We don't want to lose all of that dark and classy ASR, dammit] And I say in the end, because then the 'Pyaar' would get a name; the Nafrat factor out of the equation.

Did you all expect Arnav Singh Raizada to propose the 'rasmay' himself? To believe these 'rasmay' are of any importance? This is an atheist you are talking about. Okay, you say you expected him to at least respect KHUSHI'S beliefs. He does, and he did- the terrace scene is a proof. But there was frustration. Oh yes, lots of it. Call it sexual frustration or the frustration about the fact that Khushi cares more about her traditions than their feelings, he behaved like a true ASR would.

PS. Many out here can vouch for my All-Khushi-Defense Organisation, so it's not that I'm a Y-U-Bash-Ma-Hawtie Lurver. But you have to agree, Khushi gave Arnav mixed emotions...Arnav thought her hugging him back implied her eagerness. And I won't even begin to use the 'force' word.

PPS. Hell Hath No Fury like a Chotey let down 😆
Edited by -Aimz- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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as alwyas you are spot on and yah, thats true Khushi shows give signals because she wants him too but she respects rituals but ASR odesnt know importance of it and today he was calling her smoothly first but whenever she doesnt listen he knows if he gets angry Khushi will come to the room and listen to him and he was behaving as a natural husband, nothing wrong with it.

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