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Posted: 13 years ago
Thank You so much, Shyamala. I am touched by your comments on me, they mean a lot.
Yes, I agree, most of the dialogues are picked from the complaints here.
Agree to all your comments too.

Hey, I have a doubt, when you guys mention a new guy for Purvi temporarily,
Shyamala, do you mean Ashish Kapoor the actor, or Prince Udayveer Singh, the character of DEK? and,
Janhvi, did you take Ashish Kapoor as that temporary actor or are you thinking of Udayveer the character?
I am really confused about it, when you guys discuss that. 😊

BTW, I have watched DEK from its 1st episode and not missed an episode šŸ˜†, so I do know Udayveer and Ashish, both.😃
But I still maintain RD as Arjun all the way for my Purvi.šŸ˜


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear bee5,

A lovely, lucid post. Liked it very, very much. Your recommendations for a verbal make-over for Arjun are spot on. I hope the CVs take some note of this; they seem, judging by Purvi's vastly improved lines and her dignified delivery yesterday, to have noticed the numerous complaints in this forum about Purvi's shrill rants (myself being complainer No.1)

Plus, you are just about the most balanced and fair-minded of us all, myself included, You never get carried away by passing bad phases in the script, such as it is, and when you work out what make a character tick, you are admirably understanding of human frailties, and you deal with them with compassion, without indulging in a facile blame game.

I too did not feel that Arjun could have come clean in public at the engagement function, but I thought he would talk to DK. Manav and Ovi, in any order, the very next day. He scored only 33%, and that is not even a passing grade. Plus, he seems to have become terminally indecisive of late, side-stepping any uncomfortable decisions, and drifting, seemingly not bothered at all about what all this is doing to the person he claims is his life (or his duniya, to be precise).

A large part of the problem is, I feel, that he is too complacent about her. He has to be shaken out of this, and I perceive that even Janhvi has come round to accepting this!

Janhvi, I see that you are moving towards requisitioning my Uday's assistance for blasting Arjun out of this deep ditch he has fallen into. I must say that this is dismayingly opportunistic of you, but then I suppose this too must be laid at the feet of motherhood!

I can tell you one thing - Uday is not a gentle, good person, quite the opposite, He is as shrewd as they make them, effortlessly manipulative when called for, and ruthless when necessary. Plus his face never shows anything of what he happens to be thinking of at that moment. Even when he is facing terrible problems, he never loses his cool and a half mocking smile never leaves his face, at least in public. And no, he never cries! In short, he would make an extremely useful friend and a very bad enemy. He is also totally wrapped up in his princess, so there is no question of his becoming uncomfortably serious about Purvi.

In short, I cannot think of anyone more different from the depressing Arjun the CVs have landed us with right now. So, if Purvi needs a capable shoulder to cry on plus a seductive escort to make Arjun go green, Uday is IT. Purvi, go for him, girl!

Shyamala

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Posted: 13 years ago
Here are my comments on Friday's episode:

The Ring
wow! the Ring is really out! Why? Because of the forumers? Too bad. Just giving into pressure or ignoring by not giving a reason is not good. If he has really taken it off then there has to be a reason why he took it off now as compared to why he chose to keep it on for the 2-4 days after the engagement and if the CVs want the viewers to ignore the whole thing and made him remove the ring to just to make forumers happy, its not good.

Punni
Seems like she really wants to go-ahead with her plans. But is she going to use the MMS or is there a new plan? If MMS is used and if at the end Ovi conveys to Manav, then Manav is sure going to tell there is really no-one in Arjun's life since that MMS he would claim was fake and he was aware of that. So, Punni really needs to have a new plan.

Arjun
When Arjun is aware that someone has informed Ovi about a possibility of someone else in Arjun's life, how come he doesn't utilize it to his advantage? I mean, he does think about who it could be but hasn't gone very far in trying to find. But wouldn't it be nice (for us) if he thinks - "If the truth has to come out like this to Ovi, so be it?" 😊 I know its weird and he wants to protect Ovi from this knowledge but if he cannot control things, then why try to control this? šŸ˜‰
In the phone-call scene with Ovi, glad he kept mum when Ovi wanted to hear him say "I Love you too", though he had to take the cue from Ovi about people around him! Anyway, since his brain has become falooda with all the issues and is unable to process, he is forgiven!

Knowledge Transfer Trick
Within your story if you have a few characters knowing a fact and want to impart that knowledge to the rest of the other characters, here is a little trick - bring all those characters together in a scene and make the characters knowing-the-fact talk about it in front of the other characters. This will make the ignorant ones listen-in to that conversation and know about that information and also clarify more by making them ask questions about it.
This trick was utilized earlier in the Restaurant Scene, when Arjun brings up the legal issue with Ovi and Teju & Purvi are made aware of the fact.
Similarly Teju very simply mentions Archana's living arrangement with her husband, there-by making Ovi also aware of that very same fact. Now Ovi & Teju are on the same page, as far the information related to Archana and her divorce is concerned.
I like this trick and though it is repeated, I am enjoying it so far. It shows the other person listening-in to the conversation is attentive and also using their brains 😊

Ovi - The theoretical Bharatiya Naari in the making?
For Ovi though the Bharatiya Naari actions of Archana is difficult to digest, she is understanding of it. Next, Ovi an independent person agrees to Sulo's reasonings and makes sure her to-be husband is aware of her vacation plans. Is she slowly turning into the theoretical Bharatiya Naari mold? Initially the requirements of this Bharatiya Naari might amuse and excite Ovi and we might see her obliging. But will she very soon get tired and snap out of it or is it the beginning of a new refined Ovi?
That scene of Ovi asking for Arjun's permission, was it to show her turning into the Bharatiya Naari mold or was it to have Arjun informed about Ovi being out-of-town so that he could use that time better with Purvi? If it was just for informing him, then they could have made even Sachin mention it matter-of-factly to Arjun in-person or over phone, why the attempt to show Ovi in a new light? Anyway, looks like they are throwing-in bit-n-pieces of all the possibilities the story can move towards.

Ovi-Teju Vacationing
Ovi and Teju being sent out on vacation seems more for the sake of Savita than for ArVi.
When Savita arrives to India and see her worst fears turning true, on seeing Archana at her house, they wanted the field clear of Ovi and Teju to to have less complications in the drama. So, Ovi & Teju sent off on vacation seems like to simply the drama a bit and concentrate on the high-voltage drama between Archana & Savita without the kids around. Though Teju doesn't live at that chwal and Ovi hardly comes there, they seem like they did not wanted Teju and Ovi to see any of Archana's pains that are going to come up after getting a sound hearing from Savita.
But hopefully they can make Arjun use this opportunity of Ovi's absence to explain himself better to Purvi rather than the same old "Purvi, Please try and understand me... Purvi, Listen to me!".

Purvi
She really is my flower too. That happy smile on her face knowing the fact that her Aai would gets to be with her real family for however short duration that it, is so infectious and so self-less. She definitely deserves all the love and happiness in the world.

Possibility?
Purvi always is shown walking away from Arjun leaving him with "Please try and understand me, Purvi! Please, listen to me". If during one such scenario, Purvi stops in her steps and walks back and returns to him, and if Arjun can explain everything clearly to her about the reasons and in what conditions he had accepted to get engaged to Ovi, before coming to India, etc, I am hoping there will be some hope for this two's love story. Hopefully after he pours his heart out, with tears and finally both hugging, Ovi can walk in and watch that and come to know of the truth. But again there are 2 options, she can scream out loud and question them, by which they both will also be aware that Ovi is aware of their relation, Or, there is option 2 - Ovi can kept quiet and Arjun-Purvi are totally oblivious to the fact that Ovi is aware of their truth. Then Ovi can intentionally try to separate the two and the story can proceed further till DK arrives?


Monday being holiday for us here in the U.S, I thought I would enjoy PR, but with the crazy amalgamated Mahaepisode planned, I am so disappointed. Might have to wait till Tuesday to get a glimpse of ArVi?


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Posted: 13 years ago
Bee, logical, reasonable, balanced, so true all that Shyamala has written.
I loved "Purvi is my flower too" - yes, she is selfless and a wonderful daughter and human being.
I didn't notice the ring in Friday's episode but there has to be a reason given for Arjun taking it off - some inner turmoil that makes him fling it, or that he takes it off unless he is meeting Ovi, some explanation but an explanation there should be.
I was hoping for an ARVI filled epi tomorrow as it is a holiday here but guess we get to watch Savita's antics instead. That will give me a headache for sure.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, I will substitute Himanshoo's unshaven face onto Udayveer's persona as I don't much like Udayveer's looks! Himanshoo can dance too and some! But none can dance the salsa better than my damaad! Did you check out the link that Trish posted earlier? He too has hidden depths! As "Arjun" cannot dance maybe the CVs will give us a dream sequence where Rithvik dances with Asha? Was looking at other soaps - groom hunting for Purvi - and watched a few epis of iss pyaar ko kyaa naam dhoon - liked Barun (?) and watched a VM of the leads to a tamil song - apt lyrics and scene adaptation! Would love to see some new vms of ARVI

Trish and Laurie, loving your story telling, you aim to please as your story goes the way we want it to unlike the hearltess CVs who lead us down the garden path every chance they get.

Hey Jhanvi, very good, I agree with you 100%. On other note I also like Himanshoo's face better than Ashish Kapoor. All these candidates are kamchaloo(temporary), noone can beat your damaad, faltu lover, he just needs Zor Ka jatka (big shaking)!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: purethought

You are cordially invited DarlynešŸ˜›šŸ˜Š
I had fun writing it.šŸ˜†

Thank you Trish, Let me know if I can be any help for the party...
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Bee, logical, reasonable, balanced, so true all that Shyamala has written.

I loved "Purvi is my flower too" - yes, she is selfless and a wonderful daughter and human being.
I didn't notice the ring in Friday's episode but there has to be a reason given for Arjun taking it off - some inner turmoil that makes him fling it, or that he takes it off unless he is meeting Ovi, some explanation but an explanation there should be.
I was hoping for an ARVI filled epi tomorrow as it is a holiday here but guess we get to watch Savita's antics instead. That will give me a headache for sure.



Thanks, Janhvi. So, kind. 😊

Yes, I want to hear that reason from Arjun too about not wearing the ring anymore. Otherwise it feels like oh-you-guys-were-crying,-so-there,-we-have-him-remove-the-ring,-now,-stop-the-rant! stuff. 😔As if a boo-hoo to us, which isn't good.

Savita! Grrr ..šŸ˜”šŸ˜” I know I will have to take an Advil prior to watching the episode tomorrow šŸ˜†
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: bee5

Here are my comments on Friday's episode:

The Ring
wow! the Ring is really out! Why? Because of the forumers? Too bad. Just giving into pressure or ignoring by not giving a reason is not good. If he has really taken it off then there has to be a reason why he took it off now as compared to why he chose to keep it on for the 2-4 days after the engagement and if the CVs want the viewers to ignore the whole thing and made him remove the ring to just to make forumers happy, its not good.

Punni
Seems like she really wants to go-ahead with her plans. But is she going to use the MMS or is there a new plan? If MMS is used and if at the end Ovi conveys to Manav, then Manav is sure going to tell there is really no-one in Arjun's life since that MMS he would claim was fake and he was aware of that. So, Punni really needs to have a new plan.

Arjun
When Arjun is aware that someone has informed Ovi about a possibility of someone else in Arjun's life, how come he doesn't utilize it to his advantage? I mean, he does think about who it could be but hasn't gone very far in trying to find. But wouldn't it be nice (for us) if he thinks - "If the truth has to come out like this to Ovi, so be it?" 😊 I know its weird and he wants to protect Ovi from this knowledge but if he cannot control things, then why try to control this? šŸ˜‰
In the phone-call scene with Ovi, glad he kept mum when Ovi wanted to hear him say "I Love you too", though he had to take the cue from Ovi about people around him! Anyway, since his brain has become falooda with all the issues and is unable to process, he is forgiven!

Knowledge Transfer Trick
Within your story if you have a few characters knowing a fact and want to impart that knowledge to the rest of the other characters, here is a little trick - bring all those characters together in a scene and make the characters knowing-the-fact talk about it in front of the other characters. This will make the ignorant ones listen-in to that conversation and know about that information and also clarify more by making them ask questions about it.
This trick was utilized earlier in the Restaurant Scene, when Arjun brings up the legal issue with Ovi and Teju & Purvi are made aware of the fact.
Similarly Teju very simply mentions Archana's living arrangement with her husband, there-by making Ovi also aware of that very same fact. Now Ovi & Teju are on the same page, as far the information related to Archana and her divorce is concerned.
I like this trick and though it is repeated, I am enjoying it so far. It shows the other person listening-in to the conversation is attentive and also using their brains 😊

Ovi - The theoretical Bharatiya Naari in the making?
For Ovi though the Bharatiya Naari actions of Archana is difficult to digest, she is understanding of it. Next, Ovi an independent person agrees to Sulo's reasonings and makes sure her to-be husband is aware of her vacation plans. Is she slowly turning into the theoretical Bharatiya Naari mold? Initially the requirements of this Bharatiya Naari might amuse and excite Ovi and we might see her obliging. But will she very soon get tired and snap out of it or is it the beginning of a new refined Ovi?
That scene of Ovi asking for Arjun's permission, was it to show her turning into the Bharatiya Naari mold or was it to have Arjun informed about Ovi being out-of-town so that he could use that time better with Purvi? If it was just for informing him, then they could have made even Sachin mention it matter-of-factly to Arjun in-person or over phone, why the attempt to show Ovi in a new light? Anyway, looks like they are throwing-in bit-n-pieces of all the possibilities the story can move towards.

Ovi-Teju Vacationing
Ovi and Teju being sent out on vacation seems more for the sake of Savita than for ArVi.
When Savita arrives to India and see her worst fears turning true, on seeing Archana at her house, they wanted the field clear of Ovi and Teju to to have less complications in the drama. So, Ovi & Teju sent off on vacation seems like to simply the drama a bit and concentrate on the high-voltage drama between Archana & Savita without the kids around. Though Teju doesn't live at that chwal and Ovi hardly comes there, they seem like they did not wanted Teju and Ovi to see any of Archana's pains that are going to come up after getting a sound hearing from Savita.
But hopefully they can make Arjun use this opportunity of Ovi's absence to explain himself better to Purvi rather than the same old "Purvi, Please try and understand me... Purvi, Listen to me!".

Purvi
She really is my flower too. That happy smile on her face knowing the fact that her Aai would gets to be with her real family for however short duration that it, is so infectious and so self-less. She definitely deserves all the love and happiness in the world.

Possibility?
Purvi always is shown walking away from Arjun leaving him with "Please try and understand me, Purvi! Please, listen to me". If during one such scenario, Purvi stops in her steps and walks back and returns to him, and if Arjun can explain everything clearly to her about the reasons and in what conditions he had accepted to get engaged to Ovi, before coming to India, etc, I am hoping there will be some hope for this two's love story. Hopefully after he pours his heart out, with tears and finally both hugging, Ovi can walk in and watch that and come to know of the truth. But again there are 2 options, she can scream out loud and question them, by which they both will also be aware that Ovi is aware of their relation, Or, there is option 2 - Ovi can kept quiet and Arjun-Purvi are totally oblivious to the fact that Ovi is aware of their truth. Then Ovi can intentionally try to separate the two and the story can proceed further till DK arrives?


Monday being holiday for us here in the U.S, I thought I would enjoy PR, but with the crazy amalgamated Mahaepisode planned, I am so disappointed. Might have to wait till Tuesday to get a glimpse of ArVi?


Bee, very nice and logical analysis of the episode. šŸ‘šŸ¼ I wish the CVs could use more logic in the scenes hereon. What bothers these CVs or so I believe is that there are too many tracks to handle, too many characters which gives rise to a whole lot of complications, such that, they forget or change characterisations overnight.
Just to bring about changes they mess with characters .. they should show change in circumstances, not so much in the essence of the core qualities of main characters of PR. I think viewers will be more accepting of that.
Trish
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Darlyne

Thank you Trish, Let me know if I can be any help for the party...

😊
Darlyne, did you read all the three parts? 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
Dear bee5,

You are very welcome!

Now as for the temporary gallant to flirt with Purvi and stir up Arjun, we mean Yuvraj Udayveer Singh, the character in DEK, with the proviso that he should by played, as at present, by Ashish Kapoor. It is like the proof of a maths theorem: these two are necessary and , provided both are fulfilled, sufficient conditions!

Janhvi is of course still stoutly promoting one Himanshoo, who is, to quote her, an "unshaven, gundaish" character.Trish and I equally stoutly oppose this (though Trish does waver at times, being incurably soft hearted), both per se, and because no such downmarket chap can be expected to succeed in making Arjun jealous. Udayveer is the only one I can think of in TV today who can effortlessly trump Arjun in terms of class and wealth and attitude, even if one does not touch on the looks aspect, as that is a matter of personal taste.

As for my views on DEK, you might be interested in an extract from a recent post of mine to Trish, especially the last sentence!

"
I had abandoned DEK when Maanyata was trying to get her Dadi Saaheb arrested for the murder of Aakash. I do not know how the old lady got out of that; it must have been a cakewalk against such a foolish and unsupported accusation, and I think Uday also went in and out of jail,but I missed all of that.

However, in the last 2 episodes that I did watch to refresh my memories of him wrt Purvi, I saw that he is back in fine fettle. I really cannot stand either that Jai (with one eye half the size of the other and next to no clothes on) or Maanyata, who is a well fed Punjabi kudi with a lovely smile (that seems to have been misplaced these days) and hardly any other expression. When she tries to project either anger or sorrow she is awful to behold.

So, it will be mostly just for Uday, plus the Akash lookalike who has suddenly turned up and who has more attitude even than Uday, and his charming, unaffected Tara. I was quite taken with the way he hugs her and says "My love!" Arjun should go to him for some coaching in saying something other than "Mujhe samajhne ki koshish karo!"

Shyamala

Originally posted by: bee5

Thank You so much, Shyamala. I am touched by your comments on me, they mean a lot.
Yes, I agree, most of the dialogues are picked from the complaints here.
Agree to all your comments too.

Hey, I have a doubt, when you guys mention a new guy for Purvi temporarily,
Shyamala, do you mean Ashish Kapoor the actor, or Prince Udayveer Singh, the character of DEK? and,
Janhvi, did you take Ashish Kapoor as that temporary actor or are you thinking of Udayveer the character?
I am really confused about it, when you guys discuss that. 😊

BTW, I have watched DEK from its 1st episode and not missed an episode šŸ˜†, so I do know Udayveer and Ashish, both.😃
But I still maintain RD as Arjun all the way for my Purvi.šŸ˜


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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: purethought

Bee, very nice and logical analysis of the episode. šŸ‘šŸ¼ I wish the CVs could use more logic in the scenes hereon. What bothers these CVs or so I believe is that there are too many tracks to handle, too many characters which gives rise to a whole lot of complications, such that, they forget or change characterisations overnight.
Just to bring about changes they mess with characters .. they should show change in circumstances, not so much in the essence of the core qualities of main characters of PR. I think viewers will be more accepting of that.
Trish



Thanks, Trish.

Agree, they need to stick to the characterization. Yeah, its true, they try all possible routes the story can take and even shoot and include them in the episodes. Then they pick one of them that will make sense for the long run and hence other tracks are left out dangling.

All these issues are because of the way daily soaps work. The story is developed on a daily basis based on TRPs, viewers feedback, pressure from Sales/Marketing team and several other sources. So, its not an easy job when things are so volatile. And within such short duration, the only way sometimes they can justify their tracks (to further the story) is by meddling with the characterization of certain characters, whichever serves the purpose at that point-of-time. They have no other go given the constraints. When they meddle with the characters, i think they do it with the hope that they can rectify/redeem the character later-on. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't get to it if they are busy with some other track at that point. The whole working style of these daily soaps need to change, until then things will not change. And for that change to happen they have to feel that. Change happens only when it comes from within.

Did you notice, in Friday episode Archana was still "ma'am ma'am"ing and Ovi just had no bother about it, where as just a day earlier she did not wanted Purvi to refer her as "ma'am" šŸ˜•

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