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without-fathom

@without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: enchanted23

Sorry about ramble but I think this was something that needed proper closure which was compromised for something completely unnecessary and unwanted''

No disagreement on that Aditi - Talli and her tale of woes got undue space and took up more time than was ever its worth. I just think that the letters at the point that they were revealed to Gulaal just had to inevitably meet an anticlimax. On the other hand, I would have no less loved their come back for a fair deserving closure.

And on the note of Gulaal not giving him the answers - oh how we discussed this especially in two future episodes. One where Gulaal finally comes to her senses about Kesar's intentions, when she questions him about why he's must do things to make her happy. And the other time when she does tell him the entire story of facts during their exile of course. I remember us discussing after the former episode how when Gulaal was questioned by Kesar about her intentions (inclusive of many accusations) she had told him to not question her 'neeyat'. But when it her time, the other way around, and she was the one doubting his intention, Kesar despite the hurt and offense did give her answers - saving her and us a whole lot of comm gap that way. It's not a fair comparison, but it sort of falls in line with their characters, especially the portrayal towards each other. Gulaal can be expected to be the one no matter how moved she is by his pain, to still not really justify herself. And Kesar has had a history of mellowing down despite everything. They go back such a long way, that I suppose the whole 'equality' of give and take in that begins to matter much less.

And then it takes Gulaal a while to finally learn to treat him like an equal. To not patronize him, but actually start understanding and appreciating how he really is the other pillar of the house alongside her now. I suppose by the time she actually gives him the answers, he has more than earned himself that place of worth. It's not her love that his less than his, but only the way she has perceived him, as opposed to him having perceived her, which IMO reflects in their different way of dealing with each other.

Aaah! there are so many layers to this show and its characters - I really don't think we can ever come back and not have something more to say, lol! I suppose the highlight of the show shall always be the fact that it wasn't just divided into good and bad - but the in between grey where reality resides.

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Aditi Mehta

@enchanted23

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: JZephyr

And then it takes Gulaal a while to finally learn to treat him like an equal. To not patronize him, but actually start understanding and appreciating how he really is the other pillar of the house alongside her now. I suppose by the time she actually gives him the answers, he has more than earned himself that place of worth. It's not her love that his less than his, but only the way she has perceived him, as opposed to him having perceived her, which IMO reflects in their different way of dealing with each other.

It is ironic that she so wanted him to be that other pillar as she had promised her late husband that he will be…. but that pillar had to shoulder added responsibility of Talli to become worthy of supporting the family in her eyes😆 ……chalo will be back soon…thanks for uploading so many scenes we can go on discussing these for weeks and yes will still have something to blab about if we had start again….😳

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: enchanted23

It is ironic that she so wanted him to be that other pillar as she had promised her late husband that he will be'. but that pillar had to shoulder added responsibility of Talli to become worthy of supporting the family in her eyes😆 ''chalo will be back soon'thanks for uploading so many scenes we can go on discussing these for weeks and yes will still have something to blab about if we had start again'.😳

Aditi - the GK phankaa in me hardly ever condoned Gulaal entirely 😆 But the layers of impenetrability that she bears about herself for Kesar really do come from the stark difference of the phases of her life spent with him. First as a mere child - and her expectation of him to be a pillar then, or to be hooked with Talli, are purely concerns of a more or less self assumed guardian.

And the post leap part. Where the prodigal has matured to an adult and returned - after a decade - and she really, truly, has just no idea of

A) what has transformed him as it has

B) what his life has been about for a decade

C) where they stand.

She struggles between her role as the guardian that she was, and the wife she is now being repeatedly reminded of being. And Kesar doesn't make it easy for either of them, really.

But then - it also all really does somehow begin with the decision for a DV that she, and she alone has taken. The weight of a decision she has made, should be hers alone to bear, but he is dragged into it, equally, without option really. And because her intention behind the DV is really this 'noble' sapna - it becomes really hard to be an objective judge of right or wrong. At the very best, I think, we can talk about being right in a moment. Not that it solves much - because look at the love confession rain scene - who would you really call right? Kesar for finally finding his heart and professing his (as we know) very pure intentions? Or Gulaal to be aghast with her obvious sense of being violated and that at his hands?

It would have been nice if we'd gotten some elaborate insight into Gulaal's reaction at reading Kesar's letters - but could she really have been the character she was carved out to be by then, if she'd been mellowed by it, and not partly repulsed instead? Her entire 'pyaar nahin lagaav hai' in a way is her very vague way of saying that she's not accusing him of lying to her, only of misunderstanding what it is they have and share! And that seems almost like a reasonable reaction given how overwhelmed she is by it all. Kesar on the other hand - finding that his heart's truest words have reached her in their precise form - can hardly not hope that she would understand where he comes from.

Of course aside GK exclusive, there is that decision, the un-wisest of all Gulaal ever made, about considering hooking Kesar and Talli ...! In Gulaal's grand scheme of things to gather whatever pieces of her very haywire life a decade ago, that she could - she had a perfect algorithm. She went a step at a time.

Stay in the house to be the nurturing shield without having to tie up with Dushy --> DV with Kesar

Talli becomes an orphan, Sudha loses purpose of life? ---> Put one loner with the other

Promised PB and family to bring a wife for Kesar, Talli and Kesar's seemingly fitting match? --> Become matchmaker.

The only priority she really puts aside is A) herself and B) Kesar's opinion. And both of those she takes equally for granted. Which in her grand plan is the big loophole that brings her down.

Both Kesar and Gulaal in their respective ways are people of adamant self convictions and while they never really intend to be wrong - all the times that they are wrong, gravely too, is because they themselves believe their actions and beliefs to be in the best interest of ... things and people around. It doesn't make them right when they are wrong - but in a strange way, it's hard to hold it against them with the required measure!

Edited by JZephyr - 13 years ago

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#24

Here go the clips for today 😊

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_eqUu1Aos[/YOUTUBE]

A slowly reconciling GK bond is back to square 1 after Gulaal out of her insufferable spirit of righteousness (sigh) refuses the Sarpanch title and suggests Dushyant's name instead. Kesar at his vulnerable worst confronts her - step 1 to what will be a round of confrontations, each raising the bar of questions he throws at her.

I say step one, because this is where it really starts, his round of confronting questions.

Aisi kaunsi wajah hai jo tujh humesha wo karne par majbur karti hai, jo main nahin chahta.

The epic GK scene - meri pareshani tu hai Gulaal, kyun teri aur meri duniya alag hai?!

Then the odhni showdown - aur teri duniya mein? teri duniya mein kaun hai?

and finally the main ponside Big Bang - lekin main jaanta hun Vasant Bha ko maara gaya tha! Kyun tu Dushyant Bha ko bachati arahi hai Gulaal, aakhir kyun...!

[Not that he ever got his fair share of answers really. When he did, he'd already grown benign and wise beyond measure and need of the answers so much...!]

In this particular scene however, back to Gulaal - interpreting him quite literally - fails to understand his angst over her suggesting D's name. Oblivious, that the 'wajah' he is asking for is not merely in choosing D now, but all those years back too.

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiiG6N7qRKM[/YOUTUBE]

Kesar at his usual refuge, the pondside - a man of inner conflict and unrest. One of the most heart wrenching Kesar breakdowns.

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZFqUm_zx8M[/YOUTUBE]

One of the most *headesk* and *facepalm* moments in the GK history.

G: Ye tuje Talli ko deni chahiye.

K: Kyun? Ye main tere liye laya hun. To tujhe hi dunga na...

*looks to the heavens for mercy not knowing whether to cry or laugh* Seriously, how daft was/is this woman?! Bichara majnu... 🥺

What could have been the 'pehle pyaar ka pehla tohfa' moment in their story becomes 'Talli'-fied instead -_- Not to mention the eventual fate of the exquisite chunar itself. Sigh.

Edited by JZephyr - 13 years ago

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Aditi Mehta

@enchanted23

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: JZephyr
Here go the clips for today 😊

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiiG6N7qRKM[/YOUTUBE]

Kesar at his usual refuge, the pondside - a man of inner conflict and unrest. One of the most heart wrenching Kesar breakdowns.

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I just love this scene, All his inner turmoil so effectively displayed trough his actions, you could literally feel that anger, that frustrations that fury, that resentment in each stone that was being hurled into the pond, his action and his expressions in complete sync with the FBs that he was having... last part where he finally gives up and the stone slips from his hand reminisces of his defeat in trying to analyse her relationship with Dushyant all throughout these years...amazingly enacted by NB...You almost cried with him, wanting to assure, wanting to make things right, wanting to make her understand such was hold of this character...will be back soon for the other scenes...

Edited by enchanted23 - 13 years ago

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#26

I was one who had been and am still amused why Gulaal's reaction or rather contemplation of those heart wrenching letters was never touched upon.

I agree they had less time to wrap up but I believe there was enough time to have discussed the issue saving us Kunal Talli's wedding night romance or the Talli and her inlaws tug-of- war. With actors like Neil and Manasi, they sure did not need more than one such Talli'ed episode to portray a justified response from both, Gulaal and Kesar's end howmuchever both parties or mainly Kesar had come to be more wise to realise Gulaal's innocence or nobility in covering up the entire murder issue.

I like the term" Man of inner conflict and unrest"

"Kyun, yeh mai tere liye laya hoon, toh tujhe hi doonga na? ...Too simple, honest yet intense...this always brings a smile to my face because Kesar was too confused and never ever understood Talli's equation in the entire issue

If you are watching Na Bole Tum, dont forget to recognise one of the BIL to the female lead. He is none other than Talli's dad-in-law...the same confused look he had.

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Aditi Mehta

@enchanted23

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#27

I say step one, because this is where it really starts, his round of confronting questions.

Aisi kaunsi wajah hai jo tujh humesha wo karne par majbur karti hai, jo main nahin chahta.

In this particular scene however, back to Gulaal - interpreting him quite literally - fails to understand his angst over her suggesting D's name. Oblivious, that the 'wajah' he is asking for is not merely in choosing D now, but all those years back too.

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Yes first real confrontation where he questions her choice openly and as you pointed out the question lingered over years in his mind but I don't think he was seeking answers really, cause her answer however logical and sensible about her vote for Dushyant just goes over his head, he was more concerned about her not heeding his and MB's wish he was questioning her right of denial what he wanted for her as this again is not coming from his role as husband but his taken for granted *haq* that he believed he always had on her like she had on him and that's why the lake side confrontation breaks him …well I will come to it later…..I think this scene kind of reestablished the haq equation between them and the hold they had over each other and that's why when she asks him point blank "teri pareshanni kya hai,ye ki maine Dushyantji ka naam liye,ki yeh ke maine who naho kiya jo tu chahta tha" get him to thinking mode….and he backs off only temporarily though….I so miss them……

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#28

Just a single vid clip for today girls - sorry I got unreasonably moody about losing that word doc with my second chapter, and lagged on the uploads.

But well this one is vital - if that makes up. Hiba asked me to upload this ASAP, so here it is (just so you know Hiba, I uploaded that other GK scene that you asked for too, but for some reason YT did not retain its quality. It loaded as a LQ blurred clip, so I'll do it up again tomorrow.

Meanwhile, here goes the one for today..

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h56Lm4c0ecs[/YOUTUBE]

Kesar can finally see the end of the tunnel. Not towards a new beginning - yet - but towards an end that he realizes he has been holding up obstinately too long, for no good. The resistance and the tantrums are washed away by the storm; what survives and evolves is a calm that comes from revelation and insight. The first time that Kesar really steps up to show Gulaal a mirror in no uncertain terms, the first time that he really understands everything more than she does.

For some reason, every time I watch this scene, I think of that letter reading by the pondside in which Kesar had remembered how Gulaal used to tell him as a child that when he grows up, he will understand everything. And how, in that scene of reading his letter he further questions if he will have to wait that long to become wise; and he wonders if he hasn't grown up even yet! I relate this scene to that sentiment, because Kesar really does finally grow up here. Grows up to finally understand everything, as it is, even Gulaal's heart, and much better than she the 'eternal wise one' understands herself. In a single moment of revelation he actually outgrows Gulaal herself, and the change of tide for times to follow sets in right here.

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: JZephyr

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h56Lm4c0ecs[/YOUTUBE]

Kesar can finally see the end of the tunnel. Not towards a new beginning - yet - but towards an end that he realizes he has been holding up obstinately too long, for no good. The resistance and the tantrums are washed away by the storm; what survives and evolves is a calm that comes from revelation and insight. The first time that Kesar really steps up to show Gulaal a mirror in no uncertain terms, the first time that he really understands everything more than she does. ...Exactly.

For some reason, every time I watch this scene, I think of that letter reading by the pondside in which Kesar had remembered how Gulaal used to tell him as a child that when he grows up, he will understand everything. And how, in that scene of reading his letter he further questions if he will have to wait that long to become wise; and he wonders if he hasn't grown up even yet! I relate this scene to that sentiment, because Kesar really does finally grow up here. Grows up to finally understand everything, as it is, even Gulaal's heart, and much better than she the 'eternal wise one' understands herself. In a single moment of revelation he actually outgrows Gulaal herself, and the change of tide for times to follow sets in right here. ...Growing wise beyong one's age and understanding.

Actually I was thinking about this scene, so beautifully enacted by Neil when I saw some similar talk on Na Bole Tum, you know... when her family ridiculed her for wanting to remarry and especially when she meets her bro's boss at the coffee shop. The guy was speaking something similar to this and I was totally reminded of this scene, acted out so well in this show. I know its wrong to compare, but just cant help it. You should put this scene for comparison there.:))

Edited by My-Simi - 13 years ago

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#30

Yeh right, and make a riot-ous entry on that forum?! I'll pass that center stage drama Ganga 😆

But since you bring it up, Mohan in NBT has absolutely no history with Megha, unlike Kesar with Gulaal here - so his remark is made more along generic lines, IMO, and toned down in intensity hence. While he's speaking about Megha, the statement about widow remarriage is really just his general opinion. Because he hasn't known Megha long enough to see the change in her as a person; while Kesar knowing the stark transition that has come about in Gulaal is in a position to make an argument along those lines. Kesar's intensity of conviction really, really stems from the fact that the victim in question is Gulaal.

I suppose though its inevitable that we will get a Mohan-Megha scene along these lines at some point of that show, given the theme it holds... And I guess at that point Mohan's generic stance would have gained a far more subjective inclination over this issue.

But back to Gulaal - this was a turning point. Kesar was finally on a surer footing than he had been in a whole decade. And the interesting part of it was that it weren't answers to the questions he had wanted that calmed him - but his comprehension instead of the fact that no answers mattered more than Gulaal herself. Not her intention. Not her decisions. Not even the fact that his love for her was unrequited. He was suddenly beyond all that, his love for her beyond the conditions he had held on to so far.

And I just love that the dialogue in this scene - like all classic GK confrontations - was so well written. Make a point, and nail it. Neil like you said was fantastic - there was calm about it, despite the ultimate realization that this really was it now. A calm that was resigned and resolved at once. And Manasi of course, perfect as ever in being shocked with the questions and still trying to duck and resist.

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