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Moksha, the annual cultural festival of NSIT recently concluded, with Ali Azmat, formerly of Junoon and currently doing a solo project with Social Circus, headlining the pronite. A Junoon fan himself, Kunal Malhotra caught up with the man himself.

How does it feel to be back in India?
It feels just like home. Having come here many times before, I feel that it is no different from the people back home. Presenlty, Junoon is taking a break and I am doing a solo project. Interestingly, we named the band after our first album called Social Circus, since we are effectively a social circus of sorts.

You have called Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan one of your biggest musical influences, and dedicated your album Azadi to him. Any regrets on not having played with the 'God' of sufi music?
I don't rate Nusrat as God, he was nothing like it. He came across as one with no arrogance, yet had a great sense of pride. Recently, his brother also left us (he died), but his nephew Rahat carries on the legacy. The magic of the man lay in how he approcahed his art.

Are you looking forward to playing in NSIT?
I have been dying to do this, the young audience of today likes their music, understands versatility. If one has a look at us, their is no generation gap, yet they are politically correct. The whole world is their oasis.

Any upcoming projects with Indian Artistes?
I have played in the past with many Indian Artistes, with songs like 'Na re Na' and 'Garaj Baras'. I have just recorded a song fusion with Shankar Mahadevan, Zakir Hussain, Taufiq Quereshi and Ustad Sultan Khan. The song is penned by Prasoon Joshi, and is for the Tsunami Relief. It was a pleasure working with Shankar Mahadevan. I feel he is a class apart. I have also worked with Rahul Sharma and Ranjit Barot. I enjoy songwriting and masala tea!!!.

What Indian artistes do you like and would like to work with?
There is A R Rehman, who is undisputedly one of the best. I have jammed and worked with Silk Route in the past and really liked it. Anyone who has versatility to offer is a joy to work with.

What Bands/ Artistes were your idols while growing up?
There was a lot of good Bollywood music during the '60s and the '70s. Of late, I feel that things are looking up again after the not so good '80s and '90s. The music had become very repetitive during this time. I really liked RD and SD Burman, Kishore Kumar, Mohhamad Rafi and also listened to Lata Mangeshkar. There were the likes of Mehndi Hassan from Pakistan. Of the western bands, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Live, Coldplay, Radiohead & Dave Matthews Band have always been a treat.

Having done playback singing before, do you look forward to more projects?
I am not particularly fond of playback singing. What I enjoy most is songwriting, studio albums and live performances. Social Circus is all about letting the music flow. You must sound like what you believe in. There is no fluky joy in music. It's about having good people around you, and getting in touch with yourself.

How important is versatility in one's Music?
That is what music is all about. People say that there is no growth in classical music, which is true because very few people are prepared to experiment, and push the limits. One must use one's influences, and fuse it with raagas, and then let the music flow.

A lot of your music talks about self-realization. How important is that to the subcontinent?
Again, we need to realize that we are not too different from each other. We should stop living in denial, and come together. During the recent Lahore ODI, close to 15,000 Indians went across Waagah to watch the game. I look forward to the day when one can just flash their passport, and require no Visa. Those who come by car or their bikes or bicycles, or even walk across, should come and watch the game. I am a dreamer when I say this, but when we talk about things like life beyond 2020 and SAARC, we should understand the subcontinent as a whole. Why can't we be like the European Union. We should look to provide clean water, medical supplies and more schools and colleges. The race should not be to make Nuclear bombs - this generation has different needs. When you see a kid selling matches and cigarettes on the street, my heart cries for him. What if he had the same oppourtunities, then he could have picked a career for himself. I believe that we have reached a saturation point, but there is a lot of room for improvement. If one has a look at the upcoming Middle Class, we can hope for a better future.

What problems did you face while growing up?
I grew up in an era of few computers and fewer TV channels. Music, i felt, was the voice of the people. It is a form of caring sharing, just like knowledge. I was even told that no-one would give their daughter to a long-haired musician(smiles), choose a career and settle down.

What do you feel about censorship in music?
We have faced a lot of problems due to censorship; our views have not gone down well with the establishment. I started about 18 years ago as a musician, and I have been banned for close to half that time period. During those days, all broadcast services were state owned, and you couldn't hop channels to get airplay. During the first seven or so years, we came on TV only thrice.

You have had your run-ins with the establishment. Do you think that has affected you?
In Pakistan, there is political radiclaism, religiuos radicalism, and there is music. There were leaders who criticised us for being anti-islamic. Benazir Bhutto and the People's party even banned us. They wanted a Islamic nation without Rock n Roll and Modernism. This, predictably, didnt go down well with the youth and the government was toppled. A similar fate awaited Nawaz Sharif. President Musharraf allowed more free speech after the Martial law, and hence we have taken a few steps forward.

What do you think of the cultural policies on India and Pakistan?
We must understand on how we define culture. What our culture was 200 years ago is not what it is today. Some things lose thier relevance over a period of time. Our heritage is very dear to us. The culture, however, evolves. Counter culture defines new culture. Culture evolves and it has to. These days we have new bands coming up with no education in Music, (they haven't been to) music schools, and even no studios to speak of. They record their albums on a computer, and it becomes a underground revolution over the Internet. There has been a influx on bands like Strings, who define their own music and despite all their problems didn't budge from the cause of making music. One can't let the problems stop them from becoming what they are.

The Sufi influences in your music are apparent. Any word on that?
I feel that the Mazaars, Dargahs, and the Baras were more like clubs and centres for people to vent their problems. A lot of the poetry has to do with the problems that those people faced. And I believe that music must talk about that.

What do you think of the audiences in India and Pakistan, any marked differences?
I think both countries are very similar, and alike in many aspects. After 58 years of separation, and cold glass walled looks to each other, things are looking up. Religion doesn't put a hinderance in our lices, the older generation seems to be stuck in a timewarp. They refuse to look out of the maze and move up. In Pakistan, till about 2 years back, we had only 3 TV channels; now the number is 40. Even India has had great growth. We have shows on channels like NDTV which openly criticize the government. We must support free speech and let the people speak. The numbers have grown over the years.

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They received a golden disc when their album Azaadi, became super hit in Asia -- they are, Junoon.

Junoon, which means Obsession in Urdu, is comprised of the trio Salman Ahmed, Ali Azmat, and Brian O' Connell. Salman Ahmed, songwriter/lead guitarist/composer, born in Lahore, Pakistan, is an M.B.B.S. graduate from reputed King Edward Medical College. Regarding how he feels about wasting a seat, considering there's a high level of competition as far as getting a seat in medical colleges in Pakistan, he says "We are still helping people." He received a letter from a boy in Pakistan who had completely given up on his life. All he wanted to do now was die. And he was all geared to do that, too. He pointed a gun to his head and was about to blow the trigger when from his open window Junoon's hit song "Jazba-e-Junoon" flowed in. Hai Jazba-e-Junoon, to himmat na haar! "If you have the Spirit of Passion, never give up!" Justuju jo karey woh chuey aasmaan! "The one who perseveres reaches the Stars." The boy who was ready to take up his life seconds earlier threw the gun away and started crying. He realized how right those words were, and he decided not to give up hope. He decided to live.

Ahmed left Pakistan's biggest sensational pop band Vital Signs to pursue a different kind of music. He was well aware of the fact that he would have to start from zero, and though people might have thought of him as crazy to do so, his faith in himself and the desire to strive hard, coupled with his wife's support, accounted for his due success, eventually. Junoon came into being in 1990 when Ahmed teamed up with vocalist Ali Azmat, ex member of Jupiters, and contacted Brian O'Connell, a bass guitarist from America, inviting him to join the band. O'Connell left his steady job in America to accept Ahmed's offer. Ahmed and O'Connell have been friends since they were 13. They met while attending Tappan Zee High School together in New York. O'Connell, when asked about what he thought of the Asian crowd, said, "I love the Asian crowd," beaming with enthusiasm. "In fact I married one," he smiled. O'Connell is a dedicated husband to Pakistani model/actress Ayesha Alam. Azmat, on the other hand, was born in Abbottobad, Pakistan, and has done B.B.A. from Sydney, Australia.

Right from the release of their first album, titled Junoon, moving on to the release of their second album, Talaash, in 1993, and a considerably successful third album Inquilaab in 1996, which got everyone who still had their eyes shut towards this rising phenomenon to sit up and take notice, Junoon was building a fan following at an incredible momentum. However, the band's first real big hit sprang from the song "Jazbe-e-Junoon," which was the song of the 1996 Cricket World Cup. "Ehtesaab" (Accountability) was their second hit and was released in December 1996. The song mocked Pakistani politics and the video of the song was banned from PTV, Pakistan's State television. Their fourth album Kashmakash was released in 1996, which did fairly well. It was the year 1997 that saw their mega successful album titled Azaadi, which received a golden disc. And if sky was the limit for them, they reached for it with the album that followed in 1999, appropriately titled Parvaaz, which means "Flight" in Urdu.

The year 2000 marked a decade of Junoon with the release of The Millenium Edition 1990-2000. The album contains some of Junoon's best works. The album also features a brand new song, "Azaadi," which happens to be the soundtrack of Jinnah, the movie, including a never-before-heard version of "Allah hu" (live). One does wonder how tough a task it must have been to choose the songs for The Millennium Edition 1990-2000 from a huge collection of truly remarkable songs. ~ Maliha Ahmed Khan, All Music Guide
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Ali Azmat has a cruel mouth. It sneers in moments of disdain, it curls up when its amused. It's the kind of mouth women like to feel on theirs, and it's a mouth that's been around more than a dozen lips that have lived to tell the tale. It's also a big mouth, which occasionally seems to have a foot in it. Not that Ali cares much what people think of what he says or does. This is his life and all those who don't like it can find another sandbox to play in.

But don't be deceived. The mouth is only a piece of the puzzle. The eyes give Ali Azmat away. He usually hides them behind the comforting darkness of shades or intensifies the gaze with startling effect for photographs. But away from the glare of media storms, Ali has eyes that reflect subterranean moods and uneasy emotions. His mouth speaks with conviction, but his eyes betray an ongoing soul-searching. The one thing that Ali Azmat has learnt about life after his rise from rags to riches is that it goes on. And he is quick to tell you that it has after his on again off again relationship with model Vaneeza Ahmed has supposedly ended for the last time.
He's looking sharp these days. Kind of mean, smooth and clean-shaven and ready to launch his solo debut with 'Social Circus.' I recall his early days as a bratty, energetic twenty something ingenue who suddenly catapulted into the spotlight with Jupiters and 'Dosti.' Ali was cocky even then; he just wasn't hip. That combination emerged about five years down the line with Junoon. Sufi pop, state disapproval during the Sharif ascendancy and a bohemian lifestyle made Ali Azmat iconic for a whole generation looking for rebellious role models. The wanderer from downtown Lahore was suddenly selling cd's faster than you could say Bulley Shah; not just in Pakistan but across the border, where the celebrity stakes were even higher. It was the 1990's and Ali Azmat and Junoon had arrived - with ethnic kurtas, defiantly long hair and a monster hit called 'Sayonee.'
But fortunes are bound to fluctuate in a fickle market; the world is no longer Junoon's oyster. Trouble appears to be brewing in the band with Brian O'Connell's departure and dwindling sales for the last few albums. Yet Junoon remains a cornerstone of Pakistani pop; everyone wants them to recover and rejuvenate their act again. But Salman Ahmed and Ali Azmat's forays into solo territory just add fuel to the fire. Is this the end of Junoon as we know it?
Widen the picture. Junoon and Ali Azmat may well be able to live side by side. Certainly, Ali's new album, 'Social Circus' is not trespassing into Junoon territory. The sound is uncompromisingly new, the production radically dissimilar and the spirit looks like it belongs to a different body altogether. The first solo album from Junoon's devil-may-care lead vocalist is steeped in what he calls "bittersweet" self-dialogue. The mood is reflective;, the tone is dark. This is not a young album; it is laden with experience and layered with disillusionment. Has Ali Azmat, renowned Lothario, original wild-child and Pakistani pop's proverbial enfant terrible finally come of age?
'Social Circus' is original, depressing, challenging. Some may attack it as too much of a good thing or just too much to handle in one listen, but Ali is convinced that the "switching channels" approach is productively edgy. It is above all a courageous album, venturing into areas most pop songs rarely explore. But can an audience fed on pop-corn bear the emotional burdens of 'Social Circus'? Has the Pakistani listener, like Ali Azmat, finally gone beyond the momentary lapses of teenage heartache? Or has Ali Azmat left them far behind in his quest for musical ingenuity? The future of Pakistani rock-pop, even at the best of times is unpredictable but if any album is worth a serious listen it is this one. It has the potential to rattle preconceived notions and make you shift uncomfortably in your seat. I for one find that wildly exciting.

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Sufi Rocker Merges Old With New, East With West

By: Carey King

April 22, 2006 05:20 PM | Permalink

In Pakistan and India, rock star Salman Ahmad plays to crowds of hundreds of thousands, filling cricket stadiums with fans obsessed and screaming his name. The goateed, long-haired musician can't walk the streets without being besieged for his autograph. His every move is tracked on blogs maintained by devotees.

The founder of Junoon, South Asia's best-selling rock band, Ahmad, 41, has been called the founder of "Sufi rock," a style that blends the traditional qawwali music of the region's Sufi shrines with guitar riffs that someone the likes of Led Zeppelin or Santana might play. His band has sold more than 25 million albums – a number that places him in the realm of Janet Jackson and Nirvana and makes him no stranger to MTV India's No. 1 spot.


Rocker Salman Ahmad jams at a recent reunion concert for his band Junoon in Dubai, Saudi Arabia. In Urdu, "Junoon" means obsessed. (Courtesy Salman Ahmad)

The glow of fame in New York, however, is a different story, and since Ahmad moved here three years ago, he has found himself playing to a bevy of smaller, more academic audiences. As if to explain, posters outside university lecture halls label him the "Muslim Rock Star." He only sometimes finds his CDs buried in "World Music" bins at record stores. And the multicultural organizations that host his shows often request pre-concert talks so he can tell who he is and what he's about to play.

It's a contrast, but Ahmad was the one who chose it. He moved his family here not only to provide them some breathing space and anonymity, but because his heart told him he needed to come. He's in America, he said, to build bridges after Sept. 11 and to add his Sufi-influenced tolerant outlook to the worldwide discussion on the future of Islam.

"It's been a roller-coaster ride," said Ahmad, reflecting. "But I can better see Pakistan and South Asia from this perspective. And I'm trying to get where more mainstream America can find out what I'm about."

Ahmad's approach to rock 'n' roll has been compared to Bono, and his band's to U2: Their lyrics aren't about women or sex, but about greater matters of peace, health and healing. Banned in Pakistan for several years in the late 1990s because of songs challenging government corruption and the nuclear race with India, Ahmad was later appointed a United Nations Goodwill Ambassador. He has used his most recent releases – about AIDS prevention and reconciliation after India and Pakistan's historic 1947 split – to raise money for victims of last fall's earthquake in Kashmir.

The credit for that social-justice outlook, Ahmad said, goes to Sufism, the mystical tradition within Islam and the dominant form of Islam in South Asia. There, Sufis seek God or spiritual truth directly, through a wide range of beliefs and rituals – such as meditation, music, ecstatic dancing and poetry – and practitioners include not only Muslims but Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and most anyone else who wants to join in.

With love as a central theme, Ahmad said, peace and tolerance follow.

"It's like all the time being inside and thinking about the beauty and truth in the universe," he said. "You acquire an ability to see with the heart. Religion, color – they just melt."

A visitor to any of the Sufi shrines that dot India and Pakistan's landscape will hear, on Thursday or Friday evenings, the sounds of traditional Sufi qawwalis – Urdu or Punjabi praise music played on tablas, or hand drums, and harmonium, a hand-pumped organ. Decades ago, singers such as Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Abida Parveen made qawwalis commercially famous; Ahmad took them one step further in the merge with rock 'n' roll.

Ahmad's Sufi leanings come not from growing up in a Sufi-following family. With much of his childhood spent in the United States – in Rockland County, N.Y., because his father worked for Pakistan International Airlines – Ahmad was turned on to Sufism only after returning to Pakistan for medical school. After completing his degree and joining a well-known Pakistani pop band called the Vital Signs, he found himself unfulfilled until he met Nusrat at a benefit concert about 15 years ago. Discovering the depth and meaning of Sufi tradition, he spent two years studying with Nusrat, learning to merge qawwalis with his Aerosmith-sounding guitar.

"The Sufi idea came through music and I was stung. Obviously there was something in me waiting to be wounded," Ahmad said. "It kind of blew my mind. I had just associated Sufis with religion. Then I was so blown away by the poetry, by the voice."

Describing himself as musically "born again," Ahmad now uses the words of the Qur'an and Sufi poets Rumi and Bulleh Shah when he writes. While not a member of any particular Sufi order – the mystics are grouped together in certain lineages, almost like monastic orders in the Catholic Church – he describes the composing process in the same spiritual terms Sufis use to describe their zikr, or meditation.

"Once I got into music I had all these questions about where melodies come from, where inspiration comes from, where creativity comes from," he said. "When I write, I get possessed. I get struck. I have no concept of time."

The band Ahmad pulled together in 1990 with Pakistani Ali Azmat and later Brian O'Connell, a boyhood friend from New York, drew its name from that concept – Junoon in Urdu means "obsessed" and its fans are called Junoonis, or "obsessed ones." The group hit its stride in 1995 with a CD called "Inquilaab," or revolution, and a song called "Ehtesaab," or accountability, followed by a music video featuring a horse dining at a fancy hotel – a stab at then-Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's husband, who owned polo ponies. A few years later the band toured both India and Pakistan with hits from their album "Azad," which means freedom.

Parallel to the group's rapid rise in success was an increase across India in the popularity of Sufi music, a trend both Swaminathan Kalidas, India Today magazine Arts Editor, and Sohail Hashmi, a documentary filmmaker, attribute to Muslim-Hindu violence in Ayodhya in 1992 and Gujarat in 2002. The nation was seeking calm in the midst of religious tumult and Sufi groups like Junoon – singing of harmony and acceptance – spread a message that soothed that need, the Delhi-based critics said.

The popularity of Sufi music continues today, but Junoon does not: The band decided to call it quits after more than a decade and after Ahmad and O'Connell each moved back to New York. Citing too many years together and needs to explore new avenues, Ahmad said one of the main reasons the group broke up was so he could get beyond that fame kept him from doing the work he likes most.

"I felt frustrated with what I was doing with Junoon. I was in this rock 'n' roll circus. People were affected by my celebrity," Ahmad said, so much so he felt he couldn't get out his social-justice message.

Sept. 11 made him realize, more than ever, his role: "For most Muslims it was the lights being turned on, somebody asking the question, 'Are Muslims inherently violent?'" he recalled.

He knew it was up to him to answer the question.

Living again in Rockland County, his boys enrolled in the same middle school he attended and his wife Samina, also trained as a doctor, serving as his manager, Ahmad has been at work on his solo album, "Infiniti," released last year, and two documentaries for the BBC. The first show, "The Rock Star and the Mullahs," tells the story of a tour Ahmad made of northwest Pakistan after increasingly fundamentalist Islamic leaders attempted to ban music in all forms. The second, "It's My Country, Too," features his interviews with Muslim Americans on life in post-Sept. 11 America.

In February, Ahmad performed at the U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar, and in March, he joined former Junoon members for a reunion concert in Dubai, Saudi Arabia. At the end of April he'll be honored by the Muslim Public Affairs Council for his use of music to promote peace. He's also slated this summer to perform in Central Park.

It's a busy lineup, but the shows Ahmad most looks forward to, he said, are the ones on small university stages where only a few audience members may know his name.

"That's where I find myself in my element," he said. "Doing unplugged storytelling concerts, telling how the Sufi tradition and Sufi music translate into the 21st century."

If a recent performance at Nassau Community College on Long Island is any example, Ahmad is talking about meeting crowds of 20-somethings who live lives far from Pakistan, far from understanding the complexity that is Islam. Students who, if they're paying attention, will meet through music the Sufi outlook Ahmad hopes can open doors between East and West.

Backed by a tablas drummer who beats out rhythms on the floor, Ahmad – clad in stonewashed jeans, a black V-neck shirt, wooden necklace and backward baseball cap – will pluck out qawwali ecstasy on his guitar strings, his knee lifting and head shaking in pure rapture as the audience slowly rises to its feet. Students from the South Asia who already know his music may lead, but soon others will join in unabashed, full-arm, above-head hand-clapping and bangra-influenced fancy footwork. Cell phones will snap pictures, friends will ride friends' shoulders, cries of "Pakistan Zindabad" ("Long live Pakistan") may even be heard.

Ahmad plans to be here for the next 10 years at least – enough time, he hopes, to show that Islam, especially Sufi Islam, has more to offer the world than bloodshed and war.

"The world separates and polarizes, yet Sufism sees everyone as one," he said. "Sufism is for me a long-lost bridge people have to find. It allows me to look at someone else – black, white, green, red, Jewish, Christian, Muslim – and see them as human."

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