A Clam's Conflict! [CAPS Pg 3 (Nur) ]

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(Note - Caps are on Page 3 of this thread)

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Hello everyone!

Back again with the next thread, and next scenes in order - Nur has her exams, and my busy week turned out to be busier than the word - but here's bridging the gap now =)

The first scene is more 'family' than GK alone - but I wanted to keep it because there's all that sense of expression (especially from Kesar/NB) about his 'shaken' up state of mind, post the near, dire accident, and of course, post Gulaal's bombastic declarations! Yes, some credit to Talli's pep talk too - which, I maintain, paved the way for the relatively arms down Kesar from the aam bagh to go right back up with walls and denials and bring about the GK scene we discussed last, in the previous thread.

Then there's a quick bit of Kesar lamenting and remorseful in his room - quick, but very effectively emoted IMO - and one of the rarer times where Kesar isn't talking to himself/reading a letter/thinking with a voice over - but only having a range of FBs and expressions to indicate where his thoughts are concentrated.

Then there's the letter scene - one of my favorite Kesar reading a letter scene, although they've each been equally consequential and well done, this one just stands out for me in the entire filming of it, in addition to the fact that this letter contains some of my personal favorite 'letter lines' from Kesar's past.

And finally - Kesar returning home, to find doors unlocked, resisting his urge to enter and check on Gulaal, but dashing right back in at the sound of a crash - and the moment of 'eye-talk' there. [Rest of the scene for next time 😊]

Just a brief outline of scenes for today - to sort of fill in the gap of 3 days - although who really forgets anything about GK?! Not us! šŸ˜†

And without further ado, scenes below.

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[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjbX5IHTxY[/YOUTUBE]


[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPrrJBd51I4[/YOUTUBE]

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Reserving for written below; but wait up no one to chip in your thoughts since Nur and I are running late on our usual updates this week anyway!

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JZee

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Scene 1

Enter the 3 musketeers.

Gulaal, the least guilty, picking quickly on MB's remark and the overall happy atmosphere, engages in small talk - her reflex precaution to not draw any attention to the obvious odd airs about the three of them. Kesar and Talli? Stand in line next to her, letting her take charge with the ease they would have let her, a decade ago, knowing Gulaal can fix everything! Just for a moment, this opening frame and focus on the three of them was like a picture of the three from those old times. Anyway, Talli shows evident fidgety signs of guilt. Kesar, reeling from the impact of the very eventful day and its range of events, is more bemused than anything else. For the moment. [on a side note: Although I love the whole wet and unruly look about his hair, how exactly did Gulaal and Talli's so much longer and voluminous hair look so much more drier than his meager wild and wet locks?! šŸ˜† ]

Anyway, Gullu despite her act, gives herself away with a little fit of cough, and Kesar's antenna stands up in alert - but don't get ideas, tch! itna to woh dushman ke liye bhi karta, remember?! *rolls eyes at the butthead loverboy* Watching PB's instant notice of Gulaal, makes me wonder for the nth time, if this woman was struck by some late in age split personality issue in the last month of the show. Honestly. But without digressing.

The moment PB asks Gulaal what's up with her tabiyat - it's like Talli and Kesar heard her ask who stole the cookie from the cookie jar - the look they exchanged was, pardon me, hilarious šŸ˜† They're like little kids caught with crumbs sticking all around their mouths, pretending they know nothing šŸ˜† On a serious note - kudos to NB in this scene! I just love how his expressions fluctuates between nuances of concern for Gulaal (which mind you, he cannot show) and an unshakable guilt. The guilt is interesting, because he's not only not responsible for her accident, but actually made a gallantry save! However, in his dire defiance of 'chinta' for her, he was pushed not only into denial, but into verbalizing some exceedingly cutting, not to mention entirely untrue, claims - and whoever else he thinks he is or did fool, his heart is not part of the gullible list. So now, at the slightest reminder of her fragile condition, he can't but mentally berate himself to not have cut her slack for once. And yet, try accusing him of 'concern for Gulaal' even at this guilt ridden moment, and he shall deny it vehemently, with every fiber of resolve in him! Because no, he cannot let this guilt - however obvious it is to a blind man - formally conquer his ego by owning it! And that's the interesting blend of emotions NB projects in this scene. The guilt and concern vs mandatory ego to be upheld. With the conflicting emotions that preoccupy him, he can hardly trust himself to speak. If he spoke, either the concern would shine through and betray him; or he'd have to pull off another frigid act - its evident he's too guilty and too hit by Gulaal's words to manage the latter with even passable success - so it's no surprise he doesn't actually say a word!

Moreover, he's like continuously lapsing in and out of the scene, mentally, only attentive and alert to any signs of Gulaal's conditions or references to it by others, or her feeble attempts to defend them and take the blame herself; even as nothing else spoken or gestured penetrates his skull. In evidence, when MB beckons his name, he looks up - and to me there is that nano second is a flickering hope like a subconscious part of him expects MB to bid him to tend to Gulaal, but MB is talking about the wedding instead, and the very mention of it has Kesar tuning out. His expression to MB telling him to keep ready for tomorrow is suspiciously unreceptive, and he only turns to cast one last wary cum concerned look at Gulaal's condition before walking away. He's like this physically present person in the scene, who is mentally inside a different bubble of his own, too preoccupied by his own storm to perceive anything else - and yet his minute attention to Gulaal is evidence of how she is very much a part of his intimate little bubble immune to all other company and discussion outside its sphere! His exit is hasty - almost prompted by that last look at Gulaal - like it snaps him out of his passive bubble to the active scene to make him realize he must get away from her to banish her from his bubble, be alone, so he can make sense of things and sort out this tormenting conflict!


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Scene 2

And more of NB's fantastic wordless emoting. I love how he pushes open the door with a force that is indicative of his desperation to escape 'company' and seek solitude - and then the way his steps immediately slow down, look heavy and just a tad unstable from a vulnerability - and his hands, shaky, almost like Gulaal's! Like physical signs of a weakness that is descending his resolve. And then the sequence of FBs - of Talli's listing of all the ways he has intentionally ensured over a decade to hurt and pain Gulaal - from not answering letters, to not meeting her, to coming back full of vengeance; moves on to think of how he's accomplished his vengeance ever since he's returned - interestingly remembering how badly he treated Gulaal for her concern for him; and of course, moving on finally to the big words of revelation from Gulaal, in their most recent showdown! Her resignation and acceptance of his 'grudges and hatred'. Her firm claim to an unchangeable love for him, no matter what. I love the way this scene is shot of course - the brilliant use of mirror brought in again. The way they coordinate Gulaal's words agar ye humesha mujhse naraaz rehna chahata hai, to aisa hi sahi - is coordinated with Kesar having turned his face away from the sight of his reflection, like he's naraaz with the Kesar who can dare to be naraaz with Gulaal. And then again, when she says, mere liye tu wohi Kesar rahega, jise tu khud bohot peeche chod aya hai - they blur out the reflection of the 'current' erring and cold Kesar, bring the camera focus on the surfacing of the real Kesar that he keeps burying inside, the one Gulaal was talking about, the one who allows his tear to be shed - because this real Kesar has no reason to hide his pain or concern for his Gulaal. Absolutely love love love this moment, the falling of the couple tears so crisply shot - oh the DOP ā˜ŗļø refer to Nur's avi =) - the whole symbolism between the real Kesar (who is shown in the dark, because he's being hidden away from surfacing) and the well lit reflection of Kesar in the mirror (which is like the 'outwardly projected' version).

Realistically, the tag of a 'clam' for Kesar really stems from this bit - although it shows as such in all 4 scenes. Kesar has minimal dialogue in today's selection (minus the letter reading voice over) and the reticence in his character to me is more evident than ever here! The conflict peaking to such a high, that transiently after this, the heartless Kesar will have to concede to the passionate golden heart!
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Scene 3 - Aakhir Kyun!

Like I said above, this is my favorite letter scene. I'm going to try and verbalize the 'why' but it can come out really vague, so headsup on that!

Technically, what i like most about this scene is, how Kesar's letter finally shows his lack of perspective of exactly how and why this hatred found seed - when it did. While its always been obvious - even more, with the frequency of his Duggu FBs - that he himself thinks he hates her for the betrayal in the evident sense of denying justice to his one brother, saving the other who is a murder and even 'possibly' being his accomplice of a decade in reaping exploits of the 'murder scheme' - the latter most he believes in moments when his hate of Dushyant peaks which usually comes from Gulaal 'siding' with Dushyant.

But the point is, to me so to say, that Kesar is most most offended on quite another ground. Let's trace back the way Kesar has deemed his bond with Gulaal, from the first time they strike the camaraderie, to him, she has been - yes loved by all, shared by all - yet someone, who has an exclusive relationship with him. Something that even in his boy brain goes far and beyond anything else she may have with anyone. In the scene of leaving for pagphere, he tells Vasant he's taking Gulaal away today, because everytime Vasant does it. In numerous scenes preceding the GV lagan, he's heard to show 'wish' for having done lagan with Gulaal himself, but for Vasant butting in šŸ˜† What I'm trying to say is, what Kesar much better summed up himself in one of best dialogues - main humesha se tujhpe apna haq samjhte aya hu, kisi bhi rishte ki parwaa kiye bina - and in light of that 'haq' especially post the DV when Kesar truly and solely becomes the focus of Gulaal's world, especially after scenes and claims like the kavachh scene, Kesar sort of in his own system begins to assume not only rights, but responsibilities towards Gulaal. To me, what hits him the most - apart from of course the ghastly truth of his dearest brother's murder - is the fact that there is something in Gulaal's life, which she has not shared with him, her Kesar. His betrayal in not being her confidante is what actually serves 'seed' to an emotion that steadily, almost alarmingly high at times, touches peaks of hating. Somewhere - he has been sidelined in her life. There is a secret that she and Dushyant have, rather than him Kesar and her Gulaal.

To me, the most immediate GK interactions after chota Kesar learns of the truth, are - yes, surely reflective of the way his mind gets scarred by the gross reality - but even more frustrated and grudging at that she does not tell him. When he comes back home the morning after disappearing for an entire night after learning the truth - he doesn't right away shun her, he just looks at her in this angry and disappointed sort of expectation - Ali's eyes talk so much in that scene - like he's inwardly, unknowingly, expecting, expecting, expecting her to say it now, or now, or now - that she has a secret to tell him. That he must know of this important thing. And when you think about it - even if he was but a kid at that point - Gulaal in telling him of the truth could have had him entirely on her team from the start. Of course, I'm not even going to suggest Gulaal should have realized this, heck no! But to Kesar - the point was not that he was a kid, but that Gulaal was his equal (in his head, always). And so, when he throws that vase at Dushyant, and Gulaal rushes to D instead of K, I think, comes the first pang of 'belief in comprehending' Duggu's accusation! Its a pang enough to make that little boy version of Kesar consent to go to a boarding.

The whole shut himself up process which follows after, not respond to letters, not meet her - in my head - is subconsciously about doing what she has done, keep secrets. Not let on to her, what he is, how he is, what's happening inside and around him, anymore. In his own way, he's repaying Gulaal, by shutting her out - especially, from his darkest truth. And day after day after week, after month, after year - he lives that philosophy. That Gulaal has betrayed his brother (translate: him, Kesar); that Gulaal has saved Dushyant (translate: that Gulaal has a confidante in Dushyant that is over and above him, Kesar); that Gulaal has denied the right to truth to the family (translate: that Gulaal has broken their pact, that she has snatched away his spot of being her kavachh, her confidante, and given it to Dushyant!) and in all of that, he finds the 'logic' to hate her with purpose, with something is really, only, a kind of betrayal of 'camaraderie - almost like a pinky pact they made - when he was but a boy.

And the first time I look at his hate for her in this light is courtesy this letter. Yes, he says only the obvious - of how he hates her, but really can't. Of how he can't stand to be with her, or without her. Of how he waits ceaselessly on her letters and visits and yet, doesn't mail back, or meet her. Of how he gets so mad at her one minute, and the next minute he misses her so terribly, that it makes him weep. It all stems, all, all, all, of it, from that first instinct - that he was her confidante, her focus, and she was his girl in every sense that prevails with whatever age he is at different points of the show - and yet, she did not confide in him; kept a secret between them. And it kills something inside of him to 'keep' himself a secret from her for a decade - and then the fact that she's kept one, such a major one at that, and is still keeping it all this time - makes him hate the fact that he must be so vulnerable secret keeping when she's managing just fine, and in turn he hates on her - her ability to be able to hide from him so easily - and calls it hating her for betrayal! And how interesting is it, that they both hide the same secret from each other!

Of course, Kesar really has no idea that is his trouble. For some reason, I don't think he ever explicitly realizes it like that - he only lets it all go like one bad mistake that he should have never made and one he wasted a decade over! Because in the hug scene where Gulaal tells him everything about Vasant's dream and her reason - Kesar tells her, pata ni main tujhpe shaq kaise kar sakta tha, aise baat kaise kar sakta tha tujhse! - Kesar pins it down to being 'nasamajuh' which is the case, in a way - because his grudge surfaces far more from the 'whim' of being 'second' in her confidante list, than from the whole big revelation of his brother being betrayed! Although, he himself, has no idea of this 'selfish' streak in his hate - for his conscious mind, she has done wrong, and that's that. But because his subconscious knows better, both his heart and Gulaal's - he cannot really come to convince it of what his conscious mind believes!

And so. Phew - long one - but I've loved this letter scene from the first time I saw it, and every new time that I do, there is more beneath those obvious words. The obvious question - kyun! - His obvious dilemma, of why he must hate her but can't. And the rudimentary fact beneath it all is this - the little boy who felt insecure of his place in the life of the one person who mattered the most, took it to heart so bad, that it grew and grew like a wound, like a grudge, like a conundrum that would refuse to solve! Think about how he tries to bait her, from the word go (almost) over revealing the 'secret' of her heart - when he tosses that coin for the first time - his then half mind wary gauging reaction to her saying tu mere dil ko mujhse behtar jaanta hai - because its a statement he wants to0 bask in the glory of, but can't allow to distract him when he knows she's hiding a secret! And then the very next scene where he tells her not to look into other peoples' private stuff - is like the little boy who grudged her for keeping a secret, using his first chance to rub it in šŸ˜† If you try and link it with every time Kesar softens for Gulaal in this antipathy phase of his, its always over some instance that sort of gives him an exclusivity in her life. Whether its the imlis - where he can revel inside about a secret between him and her; whether it is over the whole aam bagheecha - where Talli is no threat and he can easily slip into the mode of being the sole person to witness this side to her; of whether it will now, when he takes care of her over the night - where she gives in so easily to his TLC, lol ā˜ŗļø, that he's just swelling inside with all the love he has in her heart for her. Anything that gives him exclusivity - is like a revival of the pact, that its him for her, above and beyond all else and every one. Of course leading consequently to the 'pareshani' scene, and in a way, to the entire fiasco of the KT wedding, where Talli's dream has taken precedence over his wish!

Okie doke - I need to cut this one here now. Hopefully making my point to some extent - would love to hear back on your takes with this interpretation falling out of analyzing this letter scene - where I deviated greatly from 'focusing' on the letter content subjectively. It shall not keep me from quoting my favorite line from this letter - also one of my favorite Kesar dialogues - kyun tujhpe itna gussa ata hai? phir agle hi pal teri itni yaad aati hai, ke rona aajata hai... - I love love love, die for love the way NB delivers this dialogue! There is so much layering to this dialogue, the melancholy of it so beautiful and innocent reminding us this was written by a child of one time, and then NB's voice over giving this idea, that the emotion that had torn that boy apart, hasn't gone away - hence echoing life into the other sentence where he says how she used to tell him he would grow up and understand everything and why he must have to live with this dilemma until he grows up - again a sentence that projects Kesar's state of mind, in having grown up, but still being so far from 'understanding'! Oh I can watch and gush about this scene endlessly - with evidence in the length of this essay šŸ˜† - so I need to zip up. Shush J! šŸ˜†

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Scene 4: ... something there is, that doesn't love a wall! (R.Frost)

I thought I'd keep this one brief - because the chunk of 'talking' about this one shall come with the next thread - but knowing me, don't be too hopeful.

For starters - Gulaal's first dialogue, saanjh kab hogayi has, as is typical of the script, more meaning than the literal. Gulaal just lived one of those fairytale days in her life, the day before, which ended in an accident to bring harsh reality to the fore - almost like her own life, a fairytale as it was with Vasant, until one accident changed it all! And then, the way she woke up to a routine next morning not feeling well - her initial phase of groping around regaining reigns of her own life post Vasant when she's freshly widowed - to being left behind to rest and skip the wedding - the way her life has been, lonely despite the love and support of the family - and finally, this dialogue - which is so reflective of Gulaal's life. The way she's been leading it for a decade - passing it, not living it, so that days and weeks and years pass - and she lives in a limbo, out of which she'll snap one day and wonder, when did all that time pass me by, I never realized!

And in the literal sense too - I love the realism of the scene. Don't we all have those days - I have plenty given the extent of winters in my place - when you wake up from this kind of slumber and wonder looking outside if its just before dawn, or just after dusk?! Days when you look at the watch and wonder if the '6-o-clock' is morning or evening?

Anyway - moving on to Kesar paaji returning from his letter reading day. Interestingly, he could almost have said to himself sitting in those rocks all day - arre, shaam hogayi? - before making his way back home šŸ˜† Usko kaunsa bada hosh rehta hai time ka! Like hello dude, you had a wedding to attend, remember? But that he wasn't going to had been obvious from his blank response to MB's order yesterday - MB really should have figured right then šŸ˜† To his credit, or should this be discredit šŸ¤” he actually remembers there was a wedding to go to, which he conveniently gave a pass to - because, well, uski marzi! šŸ˜† Anyway, the lover boy comes back after his long day of doing nothing but being spent in spirit - its amazing how that situation contrasts between these two. The way Kesar manages to exhaust himself with the turmoil so many days, and the way Gulaal exhausts herself with the 'rut of the routine' day after day to evade the turmoil as much as she can! A defining contrast of their personalities - a blunt Kesar, so candid he can't rest without digging out truths; and an evasive ostrich Galool.

And when Kesar walks in to wonder to himself about the open doors - its almost symbolic, of how inevitably both Gulaal and he are going to leave some 'long shut and secured' doors open tonight. And walking by her room - how can he not stall in his step and look back? I found it a very interesting parallel, much later, in the finale ME, when Gulaal was almost an exact reflection of this same Kesar halting at the base of the steps, while crossing this room, then retracing steps and going towards it. For Kesar - this is Gulaal's room. For Gulaal, it was GV's place. I might be wrong, but I think I said as much after the ME too. What's interesting is - that Gulaal moved into Kesar's room a long time before the first time her feet were compelled to retrace themselves to the GV room - like a sign that GV had taken a back seat. She could cling onto the 'photograph' - wo to waise bi is omnipresent in the haveli šŸ˜† - but it wasn't until the ME, that she sought the urge to go back to that room. In fact, even her 'seeking' solace in the photo confidante receded with time.

But lets get back to now. Kesar is stalled in his step, kudos to NB's expressions here, nothing overdone, even as he pulls off such a perfect nuance of almost being 'possessed' by a higher power (read: Galool) that holds him back. He lingers at the door undecided - a 'physical' symbolism of all that was said in his letter, the FBs of accusations gift wrapped as 'acceptance' and resignation on Gulaal's part from earlier yesterday haunting him for the 4537365487347290843 time - and consequently his indecision to enter, because if he walked in of his own accord, he would needless to say, confirm his care and vulnerability, making a farce of his denial. The ego wins - or so it thinks, hah! - and he manages to step away, only for the fatefully crash inside the room - and every damn wary concern or holdback or exercised restraint flies right out of the window as it deserves to, and Kesar makes his dashing entry šŸ˜Ž

I love love love the consequent 'eye-talk' here - okay, fine, I abuse the word love, but don't blame me! GK are so utterly amazingly out of the worldly awesome like that, sighhh šŸ˜ - so anyway, I love how the dialogues are voiced over to each ones expression, which is, yes yes kudos to MP and NB, so perfectly in accord. Kesar's evident to a blind man breathless concern (like he physically ran all those miles which his pacing heart is covering - cheeesy, te he ā˜ŗļø) but that slight, oh so slight, lowering aversion of his eyes when the voice over dialogue goes - mere paas meri wajah hai... - because hello, Kesar has so damn always known no 'wajah' is fair enough to treat his Gulaal like that!!! But adat se majbur as he is, he must go all cold and rude, and now the subtle expression (oh NB!!!) of concern and guilt is shinning in that dimly lit lamp light.
Gulaal in turn, MP fantastic as ever, has that silent expression of 'accusing in conceding' as the voice over goes - tuje mujhpe ni, uss wajah par bharosa hai, to aisa hi sahi - and she looks away, a worn out woman who has given up, as she goes about her cleaning up. And that is where your heart just has to break for each one of them - Gulaal's silent acceptance of her fate, so pitifully portrayed in how she cleans up the mess she made unintentionally, almost symbolic of the fate that has become hers by a choice she made, and Kesar looking over her, so helpless and desperate in his futility as he watches her listless 'existence' ready to die in a second if he could change it for her - the DOP, brilliant as he has ceaselessly been, captures the flicker of shadows and dim light oh so well (yes I still love Kesar's bedroom so much more, but this is beautiful nonetheless) I just love how the emotions play between these two, the soulful haunting tune in the BG, and the bodylanguage of NB and MP when they are both together in the frame and the focus is on their entire person than just the faces - a thousand bows to their in character acts šŸ‘

And the final touch - as Gulaal looks towards the door - her heart, just like Kesar's in this moment, is all over the place, expecting him to be there because she so saw that concern, and not expecting him to be there at the same time, because he's spoken all the words in the word to belie what she thinks she can see in his face. And when she catches him gone, again, the dual reaction, of acceptance, because she knew he wouldn't be there, and disappointment, because she almost also knew he couldn't just walk out on her like that - and her sigh to seal the tired resignation, that yes, he has in fact walked out on her, whatever she imagined she saw in his eyes!

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ps: In reference to the Frost line I used, its from a poem called 'Mending Walls' - which is basically about two neighbors who have a wall between their boundaries, in a place, which could do so much better without one. And every time some fateful natural factor intrudes with cracks in the wall, and they have to set off to mend it again, because they have agreed to mutually believe that 'walls make good neighbors' - but Frost asks himself, why walls must make good neighbors, and exactly why they even need one! The way the cracks periodically appear is like a sign that this wall needs to be done away with, and not mended everytime! And so he says - something there is, that doesn't love a wall! A sentence I find so true to the GK situation in this Kesar's antipathy phase towards Gulaal - and later again, in Gulaal's wall against Kesar. There is another line in the poem which goes along the meaning of Frost expressing concern over exactly what he's walling in and walling out, when he upkeeps this wall - something, yet again, reflective of Kesar and Gulaal dilemma in their respective times - like should they sit back and think, they'd wonder, where exactly were they drawing this boundary line!

And that's for those two scenes - should I even say sorry for the delay? It wont really make up - but please please (I cannot stress enough) do chip in with your takes, not just because that's the purpose of the threads, but because these scenes are so deserving of gushing, how does one hold themselves back!!! Oh as Nur says, so much satisfaction in the richness of this show - it leaves you in a half state of satisfaction, and half state of yearning for endlessly more! Sigh. šŸ˜

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JZee
Edited by JZephyr - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yay! Thanks so much, Jzee!

I jumped the gun yesterday after doing caps and watched the next set of clips you'd uploaded on your account...haha...so made an avi on that Kesar crying in his room bit too ;-)

Looking forward to discussing the rest...

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JZ! so Good to see a post again =)

hehe@Clam ...quite apt..yeah..he tries so hard to maintain that hard exterior but he is one big softie on the inside..and it's forever directed towards Gulaal.

First scene: When you see them standing there...Talli feeling so guilty about her prank, even Kesar considers himself among the guilty, but a different kind of guilt...he is guilty about causing her pain that would leave scars in their relationship at present. And coupled with this guilt is the fact that he could have lost her forever today, a horrific thought..

Jamuna Kaki just needed any bakra for the day..lol..toot padi Talli par..

Love the moments in his room where in his mind he replays his actions off late..I think he felt a little sympathetic towards her...listening to Talli's words..like we mentioned in the previous scene..he gets to know that he was not the only one suffering all these years..so he sort of realizes a bit that he was being unjust with her by quashing that little happiness she had now..

LOVEEE that final shot of him with tears rolling down...Simply brilliant.


Letter scene: Its so sad to see him like this...the eternal question that haunts him 'why'...You know it's funny in many scenes with Gulaal, Talli, MB on different instances, everyone always asks him 'Jawaab de Kesar'...ironic how he himself has been looking for answers to questions that have played havoc with his mind and soul for so many years.

Liked the bit where he says that 'jab mein bada ho jaunga toh duniya ki har baatein samajh mein aane lagegi' ..that is something every elder person would say no?, when you get older you'll understand..so easy for them..but so hard for Kesar at that point...did he deserve to go through this turmoil? No, he has been a victim to circumstances, much like Gulaal herself..

All the emotions are so perfectly stated here...his anger, hurt, the confusion..wonderful lines in the letter and NB's voice over is superb.

BTW, why did Kesar not attend the wedding?..I kinda forgot that part..

@Gulaal's room scene...I think he assumes that Gulaal has also left na?, so it's interesting that he walks hesitantly towards her room, as if to feel her presence there and probably apologize even if he isn't saying it to her face to face, but he decides against it.

And then sound of falling vessel sends him running back, I liked that eye-talk moment, and very nicely placed voice overs, like he is again repeating the same words, there is a reason for everything, and she gives him that look like OK whatever your reasons are, I am not going to breach the topic, do as you please. And when he leaves, she assumes he has left her room for good, sad but resigned to the fact that he isn't going to be changing his attitude towards her soon.




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updated written for scene 1 & 2 - but now I must sleep *yawns* 3 & 4 for tomorrow =)

ps: Maz šŸ¤— It always makes me so happy to see you here so promptly! *gives out cookies and lubb and imitation of Kesuda smile* ā˜ŗļø
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Hi Jzee,Awesome post.The tiltle is so appropriate.loved the scenes for today.the first scene-I loved it a lot.Gulaal tries so hard not to let anyone come to know about her not feeling too well.but one look at Gulaal and Panba immediately realizes that something is wrong.(why did they change her in the end?)even the usually blind Sudha can make out that something is wrong with Gulaal.Manasi does look ill here ,the usual glow missing from her face.Talli and Kesar look so guilty and the expression on Kesar's face when Motaba asks what happened...Talli cannot stay quiet any longer and tells everyone about the incident.I felt bad for her here,yes she did do a foolish thing but it should have been handled with concern and understanding like MB did.not like JK who just attacked her,but in a way good for us for once again JK acted as the unofficial cupid.because of her actions here and in a later scene Talli for the very first time leaves the screen space exclusively for Kesar and Gulaal for an entire episode though she kept cropping up irritatingly through out in separate scenes.sorry for being so mean about Talli.she is irritating but I love the actress Hally.too much rambling.the scene in Kesar's room.he is feeling so restless and guilty and Talli's dialogues keep playing in his mind.that dialogue 'aate hi tune woh khushi bhi cheenli'affected him a lot and he remembers how he hurt Gulaal and the emotions on his face when he remembers that all powerful pyaar dialogue from Gulaal-very well acted by Neil.that last scene with the use of the mirror was nicely done.and even though Kesar's face is almost hidden in darkness,that one tear expresses what he is feeling so beautifully.lovely scene.

the letter scene-I loved his voice in this scene.so many emotions expressed in that voice.always makes me very emotional.the little wear and tear of the letter lets us know that Kesar has read this many times before.that was a nice touch.Kesar's conflict can be seen here clearly.so sad that the little boy Kesar had no one around him to confide in.my fav dialogue'aankhen tujhe doondhti rehti hain'it's so true.this small scene expresses Kesar's conflict,love,helplessness. I love it.

the last scene is so good.Kesar stopping and walking towards Gulaal's room in a trance like state with that whoosh sound in the background-nicely done.It reminded me of the last episode where Gulaal does the same.and I was so happy when I heard that glass falling and Kesar rushing inside the room.the subsequent eyelock with both of them remembering those relevant dialogues and that poignant background music was very well done.they were having a silent conversation there.once again I felt Kesar was a little hurt when Gulaal looked away from him and Gulaal was definitely disappointed when she did not see him at the door anymore.bechari she must have thought that he doesn't even care but little does she know...looking forward to the next scene.

@MaZ- loved your analysis😃
thanks for the great post Jzee and hope your workload has come back to normal😊 and Nur waiting for your lovely caps...😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hehe šŸ¤— back JZ *munches on the cookies* :D

Awesome take on the scenes...I re-watched that second scene of Kesar in his room to see the sync of dialogues and the mirror effects..so perfect..at first it was just aesthetically appealing, but with that symbolism you mentioned it's all the more brilliant. šŸ‘
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Okie doke people - updated scene 3 and 4 too - do, do read, because they are such amazing scenes, and I was (after my crazy week) so drawn into the GK mood when I sat down to watch them to do the written - I went overboard, but I feel so GK-ish now ā˜ŗļø I think you guys will find the mood rub off too! šŸ˜†

Nur - looking forward to the caps when you can get them, sigh - and can you please please please do one avi from the end of the second clip GK eye talk, and maybe a siggie from the letter scene with an amazing line from the letter?! šŸ˜ Aah, I know you're time pressed, but if you can, it would be so awesome!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maz.

JZ! so Good to see a post again =)

hehe@Clam ...quite apt..yeah..he tries so hard to maintain that hard exterior but he is one big softie on the inside..and it's forever directed towards Gulaal.


^^ True Maz, and the clam bit just shines through this phase. His reticence, and that contrasting fight to let it all out! To just say everything so heavily on his mind, spell the doubts, grab at the assurance and get his happy world back with her - but the clam in him holds him back on such a tight leash!

First scene: When you see them standing there...Talli feeling so guilty about her prank, even Kesar considers himself among the guilty, but a different kind of guilt...he is guilty about causing her pain that would leave scars in their relationship at present. And coupled with this guilt is the fact that he could have lost her forever today, a horrific thought..

Exactly! He's not guilty for the obvious, quite the contrary on that front. But while Talli is guilty of 'physical' damage, Kesar is well aware of the 'scars' he's given her in the long run - the ones that would stay forever, if this wasn't GK, and those which will take a long time and much beat down anguish to do away with!

Letter scene: Its so sad to see him like this...the eternal question that haunts him 'why'...You know it's funny in many scenes with Gulaal, Talli, MB on different instances, everyone always asks him 'Jawaab de Kesar'...ironic how he himself has been looking for answers to questions that have played havoc with his mind and soul for so many years.

Word to that Maz! His expression at Talli jostling him physically to give her an answer is - above all other conflicting emotions - one that screams how he has no answer himself! How these are the questions that have haunted him, and if he had an answer things would not be what they are, Gulaal and him would not be where they are!


BTW, why did Kesar not attend the wedding?..I kinda forgot that part..

Oh I don't think they showed an explicit why. It was supposed to be implicitly understood in the way he summarily dismisses MB telling him to be ready the next day, and his glance at Gulaal - which is almost, just almost, like what?! A wedding when she looks like that!!! What are you thinking Dad! šŸ˜† Lol! No I think he's just killing himself with his introspection and sort of escapes the first chance next morning to his open air solitude - spends the day with letters. And the family after waiting him up a while, leaves without him with MB saying, disappointed, that he wont be coming anymore, and if he wants to, he can drive himself to the wedding.

@Gulaal's room scene...I think he assumes that Gulaal has also left na?, so it's interesting that he walks hesitantly towards her room, as if to feel her presence there and probably apologize even if he isn't saying it to her face to face, but he decides against it.


Yeh that has always been somewhat ambiguous. If he assumes she has left - than his dilemma to enter her room is even more curious, because she's not really there, and he does let on his feelings in her absence in general, yet he curbs his urge to enter! Almost like he should follow the rule strictly, and not just for show! On the other hand, it could also be him wondering whether she has gone or not - the way he stands in indecision, like he wants to go in and check, just in case she's the one who stayed back - and the fact that just maybe she is here, holds him back from entering her room and betraying his 'state of mind' after that blunt denial! Its an ambivalent interpretation I think, makes sense either way - although the first one certainly adds another nuance to his 'avoiding' of her - even in her absence!

And then sound of falling vessel sends him running back, I liked that eye-talk moment, and very nicely placed voice overs, like he is again repeating the same words, there is a reason for everything, and she gives him that look like OK whatever your reasons are, I am not going to breach the topic, do as you please. And when he leaves, she assumes he has left her room for good, sad but resigned to the fact that he isn't going to be changing his attitude towards her soon.





ps: About you rewatching the other scene where Kesar laments and repents his attitude in his room - I actually did notice the 'coordination' only after watching that scene for the 5th time I think, in the multiple watching of it while downloading and uploading! But it really is neat, isn't it! That's the creative genius - just like poetry, there's always something new to find out, and discussions just bring all the heads together 😊

Have a good weekend Maz šŸ¤—
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: minizz

even the usually blind Sudha can make out that something is wrong with Gulaal.Manasi does look ill here ,the usual glow missing from her face.


^^ Agreed Mini. I found it interesting that the scrip had Sudha observe not only that Gulaal looked unwell, but udaas in addition - which really was the compounded case. And I've always admired the realism they stick to in this show, in depicting the 'states' of characters, without bothering with making them look good for the lens all the time! A mismatched shawl, the dull out makeover - Gulaal really did look like the rescued from a mini crisis mess! Again, this is ignoring that Talli and Gulaal have more dry hair than Kesar šŸ˜†

I felt bad for her here,yes she did do a foolish thing but it should have been handled with concern and understanding like MB did.not like JK who just attacked her,but in a way good for us for once again JK acted as the unofficial cupid.

MB is ever the reasonable man. To me, in his firm but level reprimand of Talli's 'sharaarat' was the obvious sign of how much she believes her to be one of the kids of the family, and not an outsider. His moral obligation to correct her hence. JK of course, being JK, has to take her chance to spew venom! The way she went tujhe kuch ho jata to? to Gulaal was hypocritical supreme! Coming from a woman who would host a big bash if Gulaal really was to dissolve to nothing! But hate for Gulaal can go second, at this chance to pounce on Talli ofc - oh JK! And then trust her to play cupid - šŸ˜† - if JK ever realized how much good she did with her evil intentions, it would appall her! šŸ˜†

the little wear and tear of the letter lets us know that Kesar has read this many times before.that was a nice touch.

^^ True, as someone mentioned before, they've done that with all a the letters. Another carefully attended little detail. Which takes me back to saying what I always do - everyone in this team knew the best of whatever task was theirs to deliver! The DOP, the props guy, the sets, the costumes, the actors, the editors - every single person! šŸ‘


the last scene is so good.Kesar stopping and walking towards Gulaal's room in a trance like state with that whoosh sound in the background-nicely done.It reminded me of the last episode where Gulaal does the same.


^^ Oh yeh! And again we say the same! Yes, it was like the flip side of the same coin, totally! Kesar being halted crossing Gulaal's room, and Gulaal being halted crossing Vasant and her space... the dilemma that reigns their respective minds at those points emphasized.

@MaZ- loved your analysis😃
thanks for the great post Jzee and hope your workload has come back to normal😊 and Nur waiting for your lovely caps...😊

Aww, thanks for asking Mini šŸ¤— Work was kinda crazy this week - didn't help that I was inexplicably distracted, *sheepish* but oh its done now, phew! Hopefully Nur can be back to routine after the weekend too - one long week to her as well!

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