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Posted: 15 years ago
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No matter how much we try to deny it, how much we try to cover it up and make ourselves look neutral and impartial, most of us become biased when it comes down to our family members or friends. We try to overlook the faults of the people we genuinely care about, but make a molehill over the faults of the people we dislike.

Is being biased a part of human nature? Shouldn't there be a limit to it lest we do not go on supporting criminals or culprits due to our friendships with them? Now where do we draw the line? Is being biased inherently wrong? Should human beings be expected to be unbiased and impartial all the time? Is it practically possible to have a neutral mindset fixed for 24/7? Is it disastrous if one is a little biased towards his friends and family? Or should human beings look at the world objectively all the time without ever letting their emotions come into its way? Are such people like machines, or are they the epitome of perfection due to their nature of looking at things from an objective and neutral point of view?

Also, what is the connection between being loyal and being biased? Can you remain loyal to someone without being biased towards him (or his actions)?

Being loyal is regarded as a virtue, and so is being truthful. Now if you fall into a situation (e.g. your friend, who once saved you, has done a wrong deed) where you can be either be (i) a truthful person and let the world know the truth, or (ii) be a loyal friend, and look at his deed from a heavily-biased, rose-tinted glasses, which one would you go for? How will you feel over the steps you took afterward? If you act like a loyal friend to him - will you feel guilty later for hiding the truth? If you remain a truthful person and expose him and his actions to the world - will you feel guilty for betraying him? Overall which side would you take and what should be the ideal choice?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Itne bhari bhari topics! Baap... 😆 - Kidding!

I am off now, you're a few minutes late in posting the topic. I'll come back later and give my two cents. For starters though:

Very. I am extremely biased and never neutral. But I hardly change that. That's why I like people, guys especially, that would be witty, smart and intelligent enough to be able to change my views on matters, which I daresay happens seldom. 😆

About my loved ones, I feel I would protect them. We care way too much, and especially as Indians or Hindus are so much expressive and emotional about our thoughts. We cry on little matters and love for little things. There's no way most of us could be unbiased concerning our loved ones.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I like your topic.😊
I am pretty good at (sometime, bluntly) pointing out mistakes (including mine). In fact, I think I am my worst critic. Where others are concerned, I point it out mostly to make things better, though others do have the tendency to look at it as fault-finding. O' well.
Interesting, you say that we make mole-hills out of faults of those we dislike, and look through rose-colored of those we love. I don't know if I fit in the mold. I may fault-find the ones I dislike, but I almost always know the true reason behind my thoughts -- mostly, I can see why and how my perspective on an issue influences my view of the other --- and I am also deeply aware of why the other person may be so. So, sometimes, empathy kicks in, and behavior is somewhat excused. For the ones I like, I do the same -- make excuses sometimes, though I know deep down that I shouldn't. Also, the ones I like -- when I see fault in their actions, I tend to criticize more 'cause I know they can do so much better. Besides, these are usually the people I have to live with. THe ones I dislike, I can avoid. :-) Hmm, seems like with people who aren't anybody to me, dislike and morality creeps in first, and then reasoning and empathy kick in, and for those I love, empathy and love kicks in before reasoning and morality kick in.😳
I don't think anyone can be without bias (unless you are bones, lol). I don' think there is anything wrong in being emotionally supportive of family members and loved ones, even if they have done wrong. We could have made similar mistakes, would we have liked to be left all alone? No, I don't think that people who are the epitome of objectivity are perfect. I would think these can't necessarily experience the beauty of emotions/subjectivity (again, bones comes to mind). That would not be fun, at least in my view.
As to loyalty and bias, I see little connection. I think a person can only be loyal to something and someone he/she believes in. Those inherent beliefs make the person that person, and that is not really bias, in my opinion. It's who the person is. Or are you talking of people who switch loyalities? I say their loyalties lie elsewhere, not with the people. :-)
Taking the example from your post, if my friend saved my life and did a wrong deed, I would not approve. I may understand why, but I think and would consider myself more loyal to the person if I expose the "wrong" doing 'cause that would be better for the person in the long-run. See, if some one shop-lifts, it may be better for the law to know, and have the person do some (community) service (maybee after a small warning), but I would think it better to tell so the person doesn' tthink stealing is okay, and go ahead and rob a bank next time, and go to jail for longer time. I guess I see setting people straight as being loyal to them.😆 Approving of their wrong deeds just 'cause they are related to me ... maybe not so much. That's being untruthful to myself, and what I fundamentally believe in. On second thought, I wouldn't be friends with a person who steals. 😳 Family members, I can't choose them. Besides, even if you try to be loyal to the person, knowing the person has done wrong... suppressed emotions will take over, like the pardes scene with srk.... ' Meri jeeb mein pistol hai, batao sach kya hai. Sach? Sach to yeh hai, sir ki aap sach sun na hi nahi chahte, kyun ki jo sach sun na chahte hai, woh jeb mein pistol and dil mein nafarat le kar nahin aate. Bahut bada kaleja chahiye sach sun ne ke liye, sir! Sach to yeh hai, ki maine sab jooth bola..sab jooth bola maine, ganga se bhi.. aapke ehsaano ke bhoj tale, jooth bolta gaya.... bahut aacha ladka hai rajeev, ciggarette, sharab, ladki, koi aaib nahin hai usme, ek mahaan hindustani ka ladka hai... ladka hai, sir, ladka hai, par hindustani nahin. .... But, I am your son, dad. Shut up and go back to America!!! '. 😆😆 you see, emotions exploded, reasoning clicked in, and kaboom.... family relations didnt' matter. Arjun became more important than rajeev😆😆😆😆
Can you tell I have no real-life experience of such matters? All my examples are fictional. 😆Did I just paint a subjective nature of loyalty? The absolute nature of the relative. I think I just stopped making sense. 😆 Do you consider loyalty an objective construct?
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*Edited to add a stellar scene from Pardes😳, to strengthen arguement😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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A theif or a criminal who is punished always thinks that he is punished, not for the thing he has committed, bt because he has been caught....his thinking also baised 😊
Nobody can think neutral....Its not our fault...our soecity or our living system is like that, our mind think only baised...cos mind the creation of soceity.....Athens could not tolerate Socrates, not because he was wrong , he was absolutely right , bt Athens could not tolerate him becos if he had been tolerated then the whole structure of the society would have gone...So think practically do politics, do games...be smart...and think optimistic...😊
Edited by Believe - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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We all are biased. It is in human nature to be biased. Anyone who claims to be devoid of any bias whatsoever is either delusional or an accomplished liar.

As humans we find comfort in the known and familiar. We are more at ease with people, concepts and ideas we know and are exposed to. Family, friends and even local community/society. We interact and influence each other, sharing perceptions and opinions within a limited sphere. This way we form a comfort zone and tend to be biased against anything that falls outside it. We also have the tendency to protect and cherish what we love and is dear towards us. This protective instinct and love makes us less likely to notice flaws in those we love and be comparatively more critical to others. Through these processes, we all end up being biased towards family and friends, as well as our culture, our nation, our religion, our community etc. No one intends to be biased it happens. It is a natural human social and psychological process.

However, having a bias does not mean that we cease being objective. Despite our biases I think we all have the ability to be reasonable and objective at the same time. We all realize that different does not mean deficient and that different perspectives are not necessarily incorrect perspectives. We learn to treat people on their own merit and that differences have their own value. It's just that some people have the skills and resolve to overcome biases and find a fair middle ground, other people are bogged down by lack of skills or being too emotionally steeped in their biases.

As for myself personally, I can only admit that I am aware I have biases. How well I do in overcoming them is for others to perceive. I've always really wanted to be like Spock and be governed by reason; but in the end I'm only human not Vulcan.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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if someone likes any other singer over mohd rafi i brand them as having lower class tastes in music :P
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think our biasness is determined by either the extent of our ego or our ignorance.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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being unbiased... is like being in no mans land.. people wont put smilies at your post... unless you have those "birds of a feather files together" kind of thing... you laugh and cry at their poosts they would do the same...
You dont want to be unbiased cos u wanna be politically correct.. To be unbiased takes courage and strong resolute.... so...... yeah......being a social animal and needing lot of smilies and emoticons... all around one wouldnt be unbiased...
being loyal is not a part of human caprice..... loyalty is overrated...
regarding being unbiased towards a crime by some loved one or a friend.. isnt that obvious.. that features in conflic of interest and so doesnt have to be unbaised.... you should recall teh saying "everythings fair in love and war".....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Everything in this world is biased.So why not human beings?And I feel there is no wrong in being biased.Every person is emotionally attached with their family members and will be biased towards them.For example say you have a very good friend who always helps you.So iit is your duty to help him also.But if a situation comes where you have to choose between your friend and your 1 month old little brother who have not done anything for you,you will choose your brother.And I feel you are not wrong.Because we are humans.And it is human's nature to protect her family.But that doesn't mean you can do harm to a person just to save your family.We need to distinguish between right and wrong.We need to punish a person even if he is your family member if he commits a crime.You can forgive little mistakes of your loved ones but not big crimes.You may love your family members and pray for their well being even if they are wrong but if you are a good human being you should punish him also.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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every one has seen a lot of biased behavior towards our friends and religion on this forums.

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