Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi-EDT #20 DT NOTE PG 19 - Page 54

I m liking Tulsi, SI nailed it, the comedy scenes with these newGen, she is absolutely makkhan.. Her facial expressions and dialogue delivery stunning.

Mihir ghus gya hai andar.😂

Her serious talks with Vaishnvi and her raudr avtar with Karan Gautam, she portrayed eveey emotion with such an ease, effortlessly ❤️❤️.

She rocksss!!!

To begin with, I didn’t get personal with you when I mentioned there’s nothing to say to someone who finds Mandira better than Karan. I didn’t use any slurs, personal attacks or any derogatory language so I don’t understand what exactly you’re referring to here as “below the belt”.

My comment about not being sure regarding what to say here stems from the context that when a person equates Karan with Mandira or the likes of Dolores or Voldemort simply on the basis of his interactions with Vaishnavi they’re operating from a place of bias wherein they’re already against Karan for whatever reasons they have and it’s not an assumption given that these comparisons are literally being made with vile, evil characters who enjoyed killing, torturing and hurting people because that’s how they’re. Karan on the other hand has been awful to Vaishnavi on 2 occasions so far but he’s certainly not doing so for any enjoyment, thrill or because he is a sadist getting a kick out of humiliating others or getting angry at them.

The first time Karan behaved badly with Vaishnavi was when he believed that the girl his son loved and one who loved him back, whom he had married not a few days ago would skip his last rites. The next instance was when he found out she was in love with Nakul, Parth’s cousin out of nowhere after a decade in which he presumably kept no contact with her and neither did she. This girl who had gotten engaged to Parth and Rio on two consecutive days and was accused back then as well as having designs on Nakul suddenly popped up after a decade with the said boy as her boyfriend. Karan saw her as a girl who had repeatedly getting involved with brothers and was likely responsible for the death of his two sons too. Of course he was bound to be awful towards her when he has no idea about the truth.

Comparing him with villains for this phase when he’s been a good character otherwise clearly demonstrates that the whole thing is not coming from a place of objectivity but bias. Because had there been objectivity his actions would’ve been seen as the result of a grieving father lashing out not as evil.

I remember Mihir choking Tulsi for Pari’s sake when he believed that she was out there trying to ruin his daughter’s life. Tulsi clearly wouldn’t dream of hurting Pari ever intentionally or not but Mihir disregarded the truth that he had to have known all along without it even needing an explanation or a verbal acknowledgment of the same and chose to choke his wife in a fit of rage when he felt his favourite, his darling daughter was suffering courtesy of his wife in no time.

Mihir was rightly called out for physically attacking Tulsi back then on the forum by the very people who liked him always but no one compared him with Bellatrix or Grindelwald or anything else at the time and still doesn’t. His lapse of judgement and wrongdoing was acknowledged and called out but he wasn’t suddenly vilified and called names for the same by anyone at all which is the case here.

So when I made that comment it came from a place of seeing that the criticism while justified is also being directed towards a character for reasons beyond the justified wrongdoing and has no basis in genuine critic that takes into account the whole arc of the character and his motivations as well when literally everything we know about Karan is the opposite of the likes of Voldemort, Bellatrix or anyone else. What conversation can be had when there is no intent displayed to genuinely understand the situation and the actions as well as reactions of a character based on the story at all but the comments likely stem from a place of bias held against the actor/character for reasons best known to the people making the same.

Just as Karan and Nandini aren’t to be deified and placed on a pedestal as the best thing that happened to Kyunki, neither can they be vilified when other characters have had their similar phases be it when Mihir was repeatedly humiliating or hurting his wife, sometimes even physically in this season for his daughter or when Tulsi was refusing to take Nandini’s words seriously about Ansh being evil which fell on deaf ears until Tulsi quite literally walked in on Nandini after her son had sexually assaulted her and later when she almost got slapped by the same son who was stopped by Karan at the end moment, even though for months Tulsi had been treating him so abominably and had practically disowned him.

If Karan is the father who has been raging out at Vaishnavi, he’s also the man who has had the gall to stand by the woman he loves and not abandon her after she had been violated by someone else. He is also the grandson who braved a fire to save his grandfather and the son who has stood by Tulsi like a rock when the rest of the family had abandoned her. He’s not one thing alone and that thing certainly isn’t in the same league as the likes of Voldemort or Bellatrix or Dolores Umbridge whose sole character traits were being evil.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

To begin with, I didn’t get personal with you when I mentioned there’s nothing to say to someone who finds Mandira better than Karan. I didn’t use any slurs, personal attacks or any derogatory language so I don’t understand what exactly you’re referring to here as “below the belt”.

My comment about not being sure regarding what to say here stems from the context that when a person equates Karan with Mandira or the likes of Dolores or Voldemort simply on the basis of his interactions with Vaishnavi they’re operating from a place of bias wherein they’re already against Karan for whatever reasons they have and it’s not an assumption given that these comparisons are literally being made with vile, evil characters who enjoyed killing, torturing and hurting people because that’s how they’re. Karan on the other hand has been awful to Vaishnavi on 2 occasions so far but he’s certainly not doing so for any enjoyment, thrill or because he is a sadist getting a kick out of humiliating others or getting angry at them.

The first time Karan behaved badly with Vaishnavi was when he believed that the girl his son loved and one who loved him back, whom he had married not a few days ago would skip his last rites. The next instance was when he found out she was in love with Nakul, Parth’s cousin out of nowhere after a decade in which he presumably kept no contact with her and neither did she. This girl who had gotten engaged to Parth and Rio on two consecutive days and was accused back then as well as having designs on Nakul suddenly popped up after a decade with the said boy as her boyfriend. Karan saw her as a girl who had repeatedly getting involved with brothers and was likely responsible for the death of his two sons too. Of course he was bound to be awful towards her when he has no idea about the truth.

Comparing him with villains for this phase when he’s been a good character otherwise clearly demonstrates that the whole thing is not coming from a place of objectivity but bias. Because had there been objectivity his actions would’ve been seen as the result of a grieving father lashing out not as evil.

I remember Mihir choking Tulsi for Pari’s sake when he believed that she was out there trying to ruin his daughter’s life. Tulsi clearly wouldn’t dream of hurting Pari ever intentionally or not but Mihir disregarded the truth that he had to have known all along without it even needing an explanation or a verbal acknowledgment of the same and chose to choke his wife in a fit of rage when he felt his favourite, his darling daughter was suffering courtesy of his wife in no time.

Mihir was rightly called out for physically attacking Tulsi back then on the forum by the very people who liked him always but no one compared him with Bellatrix or Grindelwald or anything else at the time and still doesn’t. His lapse of judgement and wrongdoing was acknowledged and called out but he wasn’t suddenly vilified and called names for the same by anyone at all which is the case here.

So when I made that comment it came from a place of seeing that the criticism while justified is also being directed towards a character for reasons beyond the justified wrongdoing and has no basis in genuine critic that takes into account the whole arc of the character and his motivations as well when literally everything we know about Karan is the opposite of the likes of Voldemort, Bellatrix or anyone else. What conversation can be had when there is no intent displayed to genuinely understand the situation and the actions as well as reactions of a character based on the story at all but the comments likely stem from a place of bias held against the actor/character for reasons best known to the people making the same.

Just as Karan and Nandini aren’t to be deified and placed on a pedestal as the best thing that happened to Kyunki, neither can they be vilified when other characters have had their similar phases be it when Mihir was repeatedly humiliating or hurting his wife, sometimes even physically in this season for his daughter or when Tulsi was refusing to take Nandini’s words seriously about Ansh being evil which fell on deaf ears until Tulsi quite literally walked in on Nandini after her son had sexually assaulted her and later when she almost got slapped by the same son who was stopped by Karan at the end moment, even though for months Tulsi had been treating him so abominably and had practically disowned him.

If Karan is the father who has been raging out at Vaishnavi, he’s also the man who has had the gall to stand by the woman he loves and not abandon her after she had been violated by someone else. He is also the grandson who braved a fire to save his grandfather and the son who has stood by Tulsi like a rock when the rest of the family had abandoned her. He’s not one thing alone and that thing certainly isn’t in the same league as the likes of Voldemort or Bellatrix or Dolores Umbridge whose sole character traits were being evil.

Originally posted by: The_Best

Mihir didn’t choke Tulsi nor did he he ever slap her. Just to defend Karan, please don’t keep bringing Mihir and say things which didn’t happen. Yesterday I saw one saying Mihir slapped her and now seeing that he chocked her, all because one member made one comment about Karan. He was stopping her from touching Pari after she went against daughter in the court which caused her to be pushed and then looked like he was to choke her, but her never chocked her. At best, it can be called an attempted choking if he intended to do that, but he never chocked her

Mihir has choked her, attempting to choke her would mean that he never got around to touching her but he did.

I am not making stuff up to defend Karan but raising a point about how everyone has erred on the show - even good people. If Karan can be considered evil just for being rude to Vaishnavi then the bar is set really low.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Mihir has choked her, attempting to choke her would mean that he never got around to touching her but he did.

I am not making stuff up to defend Karan but raising a point about how everyone has erred on the show - even good people. If Karan can be considered evil just for being rude to Vaishnavi then the bar is set really low.

Originally posted by: The_Best

No, he didn’t choke her. That was some viewer’s interpretation that he intended to choke her and now you saying that an attempted choking means actual choking. And Karan hasn’t been just rude to Vaishnavi. He has sl*tshamed Vaishanvi and has been abusive toward her

Exactly what else was to be expected here?

If Karan knew the truth he wouldn’t have been behaving this way but would’ve surely been supportive of Vaishnavi moving on.

Good people aren’t always right nor perfect. They’re human too and will err. The error can be called out but that by no means makes a person evil. This man supported Ganga when she started this trend and got married to Saahil, in fact, he was their staunchest advocate and friend who made them confess and ensured that Tulsi was onboard their team because he knew that she could make the family accept this relationship.

Calling someone evil or awful based on a phase of their character is baffling.

Not sure why Hotstar didn’t upload the episode yesterday at the usual time, but just watched it and it was a lame episode IMO but the precap was interesting.

https://x.com/annaxxo_/status/2078177917029306685

Karan and Gautam’s fights are out there in the open for everyone to see but the brothers have their own bonding ground too, even if it is trauma bonding. Wonder what exactly has happened to Mihir that only these two know about and not anyone else. Beneath their arguments they still rely only on each other for something that clearly seems important.

Wasn’t expecting this but it’s genuinely interesting and a good twist to explain Mihir’s prolonged absence from the show and also perhaps pave way for his reentry in the future.

I’m not sure but I think perhaps Mihir is gonna be seen as bedridden, paralysed or… my personal dread - suffering from something akin to Alzheimers or Dementia like Ronit was shown in S1 when he played a 80 plus Mihir whom Tulsi met after a leap.

Good God, I hope against hope even if Mihir has to return with Dementia, that mop on Ronit’s head doesn’t come back with Amar, if he is still playing the character.

Originally posted by: NeeruNature

So seeing precap of sunday Monday ya jo bhi din aaye it's shows karan gautam knows something about mihir so it means too hide something from tulsi just like tulsi these both maa beta always do drama or create mess with together or separately just like in season 1 they involved with each other now in these they again do same hiding things /making plans from/ with each other inka apna alag hi chalta hai

Either Mihir is in coma, or married someone or is in jail. Iske alawa koi aur option hai kya

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Not sure why Hotstar didn’t upload the episode yesterday at the usual time, but just watched it and it was a lame episode IMO but the precap was interesting.

https://x.com/annaxxo_/status/2078177917029306685

Karan and Gautam’s fights are out there in the open for everyone to see but the brothers have their own bonding ground too, even if it is trauma bonding. Wonder what exactly has happened to Mihir that only these two know about and not anyone else. Beneath their arguments they still rely only on each other for something that clearly seems important.

Wasn’t expecting this but it’s genuinely interesting and a good twist to explain Mihir’s prolonged absence from the show and also perhaps pave way for his reentry in the future.

I’m not sure but I think perhaps Mihir is gonna be seen as bedridden, paralysed or… my personal dread - suffering from something akin to Alzheimers or Dementia like Ronit was shown in S1 when he played a 80 plus Mihir whom Tulsi met after a leap.

Good God, I hope against hope even if Mihir has to return with Dementia, that mop on Ronit’s head doesn’t come back with Amar, if he is still playing the character.

Kya matlab Rio ke mops ko reuse nahin karenge

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Exactly what else was to be expected here?

If Karan knew the truth he wouldn’t have been behaving this way but would’ve surely been supportive of Vaishnavi moving on.

Good people aren’t always right nor perfect. They’re human too and will err. The error can be called out but that by no means makes a person evil. This man supported Ganga when she started this trend and got married to Saahil, in fact, he was their staunchest advocate and friend who made them confess and ensured that Tulsi was onboard their team because he knew that she could make the family accept this relationship.

Calling someone evil or awful based on a phase of their character is baffling.