Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 41 - Page 101

Originally posted by: scarlett22

• Couple of stupid things that Vikrant is doing apart from the dumbest custody battle. Keeping Yashika as support, and of course, listening to Neetu. Why does he need someone or the other to give him advice? And someone make him stop drinking. he cannot hold his drinks!! Period! He would have once again dome something silly with Yashika.

• Ideally, alongwith with every other advice, Neetu should advice him about Yashika too. How will Mannat ever agree to come with him without him clearing up his status with Yashika, even if we presume that Mannat will drop everything and go to him.
• I loved the scene in the OH. At least Vikrant's part of it. He thought he would handle the Dua situation maturely; & walk away. He was a bit taken aback when DK told him off, with obviously no trust in his words. (The custody battle will prove DK right)
• But why the custody battle itself? Vik thinks DM are married. And he doesn't want to upset Dua. Now in all fairness, Mannat and DK should have clarified that they are not married. Why keep things from Vikrant again? Just running away to Indore; they are under this delusion that they can go back to their old life? Well, DK can. And maybe he can make Mannat believe it too.
• But for two people who have stood for truth; righteous behaviour, this is not expected. If they had said the truth, then Mannat saying she doesn't want Dua to get mentally affected is valid. Now, it is clear they don't want Vikrant to be in Dua's life at all. This is wrong; thinking about Dua's rights. She is not a toy. How different is it from Rotu hiding Vikrant's truth?
• Their fear is Vikrant will take over, take control. Which actually could be controlled too, Dua can know the truth gradually.

• We are back to square one with the custody case. Round 1 was mannat's turn to shine. In Round 2, I hope Vikrant uses his own experience, & without taking advice from anyone, puts his case forward based on his own experience, secret marriage etc.
• Having said that, I am not at all for him getting full custody. He is still surrounded by people who don't have any good intentions. And he is still giving them too much importance. But definitely some kind of co parenting.
• DM refusing him even being in Dua's life is wrong. Forget DK, he didn't even notice Vikrant & Dua's interaction today. But for Mannat to refuse it or say they will think about it, was not right.

Mannat did not deny yaar Scar...

She & Vikrant both mutually agreed in the room that they will handle the situation maturely.

As you mentioned, Dua is not a toy nor she is a grown up kid to understand all these complicated relationships. Being a mother she is concerned for her child so I really don't understand were she is wrong..She is saying again & again that now is not the time to tell Dua like this directly. And being a mother she will obviously have an inherent fear of the truth coming out. There is no guarantee that Neetu will deliberately keep on prodding him to blurt out, what would be the aftermath of that ? She is thats why desperate to leave from there. And she is not heartless to throw Vikrant out if he decides to come to Indore house again. And also whether we like it or not, DK's decision also matters to some extent. Woh haq jata raha hai ya nai that is secondary but being attached to Dua 7-8 years, this point has to be considered as well. Neetu's whims & fancies of uprooting everything in days & changing the whole equation won't work here.

Coming to clarifying DK Mannat fake marriage, Vikrant also never clarified that he is not married to Yashika, he let her assume. Woh toh she saw the proposal so she could understand...so I don't think anyone should also expect her to clarify her marital status with DK..

Also now that Vikrant has got to know her marital status & on behest of brainwashing of Neetu Mata, he is again taking an impulsive decision..the very core issue which I have been saying...and the reason why Mannat hid the truth.

He is again depending on someone else to take his own life decision, he did the same mistake in pre-leap & continuing to do so post-leap. While people are now blaming her (Mannat is being bashed badly in X right now) for being supposedly EBed by Dhairya, these same people gave 100s of excuses saying that Vikrant is dil ka achha aadmi, naive & hence got manipulated by the criminals in SM & ends up getting leeway...so why again blame her for that....

PS- Vikrant underwent unimaginable pain for 7 years, atleast he now got back his Mother. He got apology from his Dad too. Mannat only has Dua now to hold on (In previous episodes she clearly had told that she needed Vikrant the most in her crucial days & she never got that) & that also he is planning to snatch away by taking full custody that too on the behest of Neetu. Isn't this making Mannat undergo extreme mental pressure by separating mother & child?

I toh just feel (may be overthinking) hat Neetu deep down still hates Mannat and is taking revenge. She was the main conspirator of the entire tragedy pre leap in ManVik's life due to which is son left her. But this lady has no shame at all..

I do understand her dilemma and I think they will show it tomorrow . Or rather there is no dilemma in her now. She is sure she does not want to tell Dua about Vikrant at all. That is unfair. She will feel bad about it but how mature is it on her part to say hum sochke batayenge.

Her reasons to not trust Vikrant are still valid. But there has to be a solution ? Running away to Indore, hum apni zindagi .. is not going to happen. She is trying to reassure DK constantly. Mannat will have more control over the situation if she stops hiding important details.

Now that things have to do with Dua, I thought it is important that everything is on the table. It is wrong to let Vikrant think they are married at this point.
They have lost enough due to manipulation by other people, by keeping things hidden they are giving space to manipulation.

There’s no need to tell Dua about her bio father now and Vikrant is fine with that.

How would the situation have been if they had said yes you can come to Indore whenever you want? We will make sure all of us work for Dua’s well being.

But talking or discussing is never an ITV trope phir to no show can run beyond 100 episodes

Originally posted by: scarlett22

I do understand her dilemma and I think they will show it tomorrow . Or rather there is no dilemma in her now. She is sure she does not want to tell Dua about Vikrant at all. That is unfair. She will feel bad about it but how mature is it on her part to say hum sochke batayenge.

Her reasons to not trust Vikrant are still valid. But there has to be a solution ? Running away to Indore, hum apni zindagi .. is not going to happen. She is trying to reassure DK constantly. Mannat will have more control over the situation if she stops hiding important details.

Now that things have to do with Dua, I thought it is important that everything is on the table. They have lost enough due to manipulation by other people, by keeping things hidden they are giving space to manipulation.

There’s no need to tell Dua about her bio father now and Vikrant is fine with that.

How would the situation have been if they had said yes you can come to Indore whenever you want?
But talking or discussing is never an ITV trope phir to no show can run beyond 100 episodes

If it is expected from her to not hide things anymore then Vikrant also needs to come clean. Her actions now are based on what all she has faced in pre leap.

She needs proper reassurance but the sudden custody battle will again increase her trauma more.

Regarding "hum sochke btayengey" - This is a sensitive issue, so she also needs to weigh in all the factors, it is not possible for her to answer him then & there itself & she still did not even say that she won't allow him to be part of Dua's life..

Only after this custody battle happened, while giving an earful to Neetu she angrily told while she earlier decided & wanted Vikrant to be part of life but now she won't. Her anger & fear is honestly justified...

Aaram se ho sakta hai sabkuch but Maa Bete ko especially Neetu ko chain nai hai. She wants everything now itself to be done & dusted which is selfish & unfair. And forget Mannat, she doesn't even care about Dua.

Haan correct. But as far today’s episode is concerned I feel DM did not handle it well. Within the episode they don’t know the custody battle is coming. In fact they didn’t expect Vikrant to give up. Their attitude is let’s go away. I’m saying that will not work anymore.

And I also said that Vikrant is going to prove DK right because he is still listening to bad advice. How will going to Indore leaving half baked information with Vikrant help in any way?

As of now he is not hiding anything nor is he running away from accepting blame.

Basically writers are still not letting him go .. so Vikrant will still make the same mistakes again.

Why can’t DM try being honest ? Anyway they have to deal with Vikrant now. Is what I’m saying

Originally posted by: scarlett22

Haan correct. But as far today’s episode is concerned I feel DM did not handle it well. Within the episode they don’t know the custody battle is coming. In fact they didn’t expect Vikrant to give up. Their attitude is let’s go away. I’m saying that will not work anymore.

And I also said that Vikrant is going to prove DK right because he is still listening to bad advice. How will going to Indore leaving half baked information with Vikrant help in any way?

DM statement was based on staircase conversation (DK flipped infront of Vikrant, but makers deliberately made Mannat hear last words of Vikrant).

Mannat & Vikrant fought after that.

Vikrant apologized to them, Mannat calmed down after that.

DK's insecurity, fear again as I said whether we like it or not has to be considered. He is operating out of fear & has a legit reason.

Which half baked info ? He got to know Dua's truth. Mannat DK marital status - she isn't answerable to Vikrant.

Regarding DM being honest - already mentioned Vikrant needs to give assurance first. He said in OH he wont do anything but again ended by filing custody.

If suppose, Mannat herself had told Vikrant about her not being married, there is no guarantee that he wouldn't have reacted impulsively & again taken some drastic decision affecting her & Dua. Ab toh Neetu bhi hai, she will do everything by hook or crook.

And, added to that rounds of CA by Yashika for accusing Mannat of snatching Vikrant away from her.

What is DK’s fear ? That’s what I am not getting.

Mannat’s fear about Dua I understand totally.

Originally posted by: scarlett22

As of now he is not hiding anything nor is he running away from accepting blame.

Basically writers are still not letting him go .. so Vikrant will still make the same mistakes again.

Scar, Vikrant ke sirf mistake realize karne se ya apologise karne se 7 years ka jo pain trauma sabko hua, that will not get Undone.

Good that he is realizing & happy that he has bonded well & Will make it easier for him.

But he cannot expect things to happen in a jiffy.

Whether he wants to be part of Dua's life as Mr Saluja or her actual father, he needs to be patient. He cannot change everything in seconds.

Its just not about him or Mannat or DK. Its about Dua. She matters the most at this point.

Originally posted by: scarlett22

What is DK’s fear ? That’s what I am not getting.

Mannat’s fear about Dua I understand totally.

As per DK (this is not me supporting him), he fears that since Dua has already bonded with Vikrant so she will one day leave him. And post truth revelations might even hate him. The same fear which Neetu had.

And he already experienced what had happened to Neetu when his criminal mother Vishakha played her own game & shared the old secret in the most twisted way.

If Mannat DK & Vikrant discussed calmly then all these would have progressed peacefully but DK out of his fear is also making mistakes & repeatedly flipping infront of Vikrant.

Dua has every right to know who her father is.

You know I have a couple of friends who have adopted kids. By law they have to tell the child about their bio parents at age 8 and the fact that they are adopted. And even when they tell them despite receiving so much love the child reacts badly at first. They want to meet the bio parents.
because it’s real life things also settle down.

Yahan pe leap aa jayega.

Originally posted by: scarlett22

Dua has every right to know who her father is.

You know I have a couple of friends who have adopted kids. By law they have to tell the child about their bio parents at age 8 and the fact that they are adopted. And even when they tell them despite receiving so much love the child reacts badly at first. They want to meet the bio parents.
because it’s real life things also settle down.

Yahan pe leap aa jayega.

Yes she has rights to now.

💯 agreed but not at the cost of her mental health. A child reacting badly can backfire. It doesn’t work in all the cases.

She is 6 if I am correct.

Also adoption under normal circumstances that you have mentioned is different from Dua's case here & that too its within the family itself, with the situation being currently in a complicated stage.

Vikrant abandoned Mannat whatever be the reason. This reason obviously she cannot give to Dua if she asks her.

There is no other credible reason I can think of.

My point is -

1. ManVik should first solve issues or misunderstanding between them.

2. Let Vikrant parallelly continue bonding with Dua. All 3 calmly can plan on how to take it forward. (DK needs to calm down).

3. Gradually start dropping hints in front of Dua. Let Vikrant only do it.

4. If she starts realizing on her own then good or once she is 8-9, she should be told the truth...