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Posted: 11 hours ago

Originally posted by: MJ_1009

Lol, curious to know how makers are going to establish how ansh met niyati in this season considering his scenes with nandini are from season 1 and eklavya was his son with shraddha..smiley36all of this just seems to be only a whiplash for right now smiley36

They don’t need to connect Ansh and Niyati at all. They need to connect Karan and Niyati to establish the reason why she was chosen by Karan to raise Riyansh.

We aren’t told that Niyati is Rio’s mom by birth, we are simply told she’s his mom. She will be his adoptive/foster mother for sure.

Shraddha was shoehorned in to show Eklavya and also make it seem like Ansh was capable of love and goodness as he had once loved a woman but then things went wrong perhaps because he was too possessive or something, I can’t remember atm exactly, but she pretended to fake her death but proclaimed they had had a love marriage, iirc they met in college. They made it seem like losing her turned him into a monster who would ultimately destroy Nandini for no fault of hers because he got obsessed with her and lusted after her.

Ansh was raised by a rotten father figure and turned like him. Rio has been raised by Karan and the tragedy will be that he will turn like Ansh ultimately. Ansh had no chance to be good because he got a bad start from quite literally the moment he was born in a way as Raj kidnapped him from the cradle. Rio despite having a good upbringing and love, with Nandini’s as well as the Virani blood will turn rotten because his conception is not out of an act of love but dominance, violation and abuse. He didn’t need to be rotten per his circumstances post birth, but his fate was sealed pre birth will be the thing.

The question remains - who shoots Rio in this season when he breaks bad? Tulsi, Nandini or Karan?

Edited by EkPaheli - 11 hours ago
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Posted: 11 hours ago

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Oh you made an important point. Thankyou, I had missed that. As per Indian laws, the minimum age of a male needs to be 21 and that of the woman needs to be 18 for the marriage to be legal. However if both parties are above 18, and male isn't 21 yet, his marriage can annulled by the male before he turns 21.

Now for a moment let's see timelines.

makers have already established the fact that Gautam is elder to Karan (that is mentioned even in S2)

Assume Gautam was conceived on the very first day of Mihir Tulsi marriage (he has been mentioned shaadi k baad pehli santaan, so definitely he wasn't a "pre marital baby ". Aside as per the assumption, we need to assume that unless specifically mentioned, everything in this show season 2 happened as season 1. So definitely Gautam was conceived after Mihir Tulsi marriage.) Gautam was born when Mihir was supposed to be dead and Tulsi sees the dead body. Assume that Tulsi had a pre term labour seeing the dead body and Gautam was born 8 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage (it was shown that Tulsi was nearing full term and Mihir says Gautam shouldn't come out till the time he is back before leaving)

Now you take in season 1, by the time Mihir wakes up, Gautam had already started sitting without support. That happens around 7-9 months. Taking the lower side 7 months for the sake of convenience. So Mihir wakes up atleast 15 months after his marriage with Tulsi. Now even in this show it's not shown that Mandira and Amar/Mihir had a relationship while Mihir was still on hospital bed just out of coma, either case Mandira and Mihir at the earliest had this relationship at 15 months of Mihir Tulsi marriage, say Karan too was a premature, born 7 months months after this(Mandira sat in the 7th month Puja along with Viranis at the insistence of Savita, something they have shown even in this season.) Then Karan was born at least 22 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage

Now you take Mihir Tulsi were married for 38.5 years when Parth comes to transfer property, since this property transfer happened at max 6 months after the anniversary of Mihir Tulsi we saw at the start of this show, and after that the 6 years leap happened and they say they are married for 44 years, so considering the decimals, at max 6 months duration could have been there before Tulsi Mihir 38th anniversary and Tulsi leaving SN before the leap. Also Parth couldn't have done the property transfer unless he was he was at least 18, so Parth was born at max 20 years 6 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage. Now since we taking that unless specifically mentioned everything that happened in S1 holds true here, and both Manthan and Parth in S1 were full term children (neither was a preterm), so this Parth has to be considered full term as well, so being born 9 months after getting conceived, he was conceived latest by 19 years 9 months of Mihir Tulsi marriage. Karan born 22 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage, he becomes 17 years 11 months at the time Parth was conceived at the maximum (and that is assuming the bare minimal time for everything)

Karan married Tanya 2 years before consummation (as S1 has Tulsi scolding Karan for keeping Tanya at bay for 2 years), and say he married Nandani 1 month prior to that. So in both cases the Karan's marriage happened while he was not even 16 years of age and could not have done anything by himself (legally) even the consummation of his marriage happens when he was a minor on the insistence of his guardian.

Point to Note

While we might still say that only his first marriage with Nandani holds and Tanya's marriage with her was null and void, but Karan can by himself not be held accountable for this marriage and consummation. No court or moral judgement can prosecute a child for doing something he did as child on the insistence and pressure of his parents/guardians. It is the family and priest who performed Karan Tanya marriage who need to be punished. So if at all we say we need to accept everything that happened in season 1 unless specifically mentioned, then Karan was the victim here not the criminal/cheater. Tanya if was below 18 at the time of this marriage, then she too is a victim, else she was an adult making informed decision.

Also Karan returns to Nandani the very day Tanya had found about her pregnancy (as shown in S1, Tanya comes home and tries to tell about the pregnancy but before that doctor informs Nandani is awake), obviously she would realise that within a month, so Karan returns to Nandani (and doesn't have a physical relation with Tanya though he does meet her) after he becomes an adult. Second marriage isn't legal so there was no reason for Karan to annul that marriage once he was 18.

And the second leap of S1 doesn't hold here as they have shown Karan and Nandani have been together for years while Nandani raised Parth.

Hence he never cheated/did bigamy as an adult and what he did as a child was because he was the victim

a man in a blue shirt and tie is smoking a cigarette in front of a bulletin board with evidence . Absolutely got this vibe from this comment smiley37

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Posted: 11 hours ago

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Oh you made an important point. Thankyou, I had missed that. As per Indian laws, the minimum age of a male needs to be 21 and that of the woman needs to be 18 for the marriage to be legal. However if both parties are above 18, and male isn't 21 yet, his marriage can annulled by the male before he turns 21.

Now for a moment let's see timelines.

makers have already established the fact that Gautam is elder to Karan (that is mentioned even in S2)

Assume Gautam was conceived on the very first day of Mihir Tulsi marriage (he has been mentioned shaadi k baad pehli santaan, so definitely he wasn't a "pre marital baby ". Aside as per the assumption, we need to assume that unless specifically mentioned, everything in this show season 2 happened as season 1. So definitely Gautam was conceived after Mihir Tulsi marriage.) Gautam was born when Mihir was supposed to be dead and Tulsi sees the dead body. Assume that Tulsi had a pre term labour seeing the dead body and Gautam was born 8 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage (it was shown that Tulsi was nearing full term and Mihir says Gautam shouldn't come out till the time he is back before leaving)

Now you take in season 1, by the time Mihir wakes up, Gautam had already started sitting without support. That happens around 7-9 months. Taking the lower side 7 months for the sake of convenience. So Mihir wakes up atleast 15 months after his marriage with Tulsi. Now even in this show it's not shown that Mandira and Amar/Mihir had a relationship while Mihir was still on hospital bed just out of coma, either case Mandira and Mihir at the earliest had this relationship at 15 months of Mihir Tulsi marriage, say Karan too was a premature, born 7 months months after this(Mandira sat in the 7th month Puja along with Viranis at the insistence of Savita, something they have shown even in this season.) Then Karan was born at least 22 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage

Now you take Mihir Tulsi were married for 38.5 years when Parth comes to transfer property, since this property transfer happened at max 6 months after the anniversary of Mihir Tulsi we saw at the start of this show, and after that the 6 years leap happened and they say they are married for 44 years, so considering the decimals, at max 6 months duration could have been there before Tulsi Mihir 38th anniversary and Tulsi leaving SN before the leap. Also Parth couldn't have done the property transfer unless he was he was at least 18, so Parth was born at max 20 years 6 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage. Now since we taking that unless specifically mentioned everything that happened in S1 holds true here, and both Manthan and Parth in S1 were full term children (neither was a preterm), so this Parth has to be considered full term as well, so being born 9 months after getting conceived, he was conceived latest by 19 years 9 months of Mihir Tulsi marriage. Karan born 22 months after Mihir Tulsi marriage, he becomes 17 years 11 months at the time Parth was conceived at the maximum (and that is assuming the bare minimal time for everything)

Karan married Tanya 2 years before consummation (as S1 has Tulsi scolding Karan for keeping Tanya at bay for 2 years), and say he married Nandani 1 month prior to that. So in both cases the Karan's marriage happened while he was not even 16 years of age and could not have done anything by himself (legally) even the consummation of his marriage happens when he was a minor on the insistence of his guardian.

Point to Note

While we might still say that only his first marriage with Nandani holds and Tanya's marriage with her was null and void, but Karan can by himself not be held accountable for this marriage and consummation. No court or moral judgement can prosecute a child for doing something he did as child on the insistence and pressure of his parents/guardians. It is the family and priest who performed Karan Tanya marriage who need to be punished. So if at all we say we need to accept everything that happened in season 1 unless specifically mentioned, then Karan was the victim here not the criminal/cheater. Tanya if was below 18 at the time of this marriage, then she too is a victim, else she was an adult making informed decision.

Also Karan returns to Nandani the very day Tanya had found about her pregnancy (as shown in S1, Tanya comes home and tries to tell about the pregnancy but before that doctor informs Nandani is awake), obviously she would realise that within a month, so Karan returns to Nandani (and doesn't have a physical relation with Tanya though he does meet her) after he becomes an adult. Second marriage isn't legal so there was no reason for Karan to annul that marriage once he was 18.

And the second leap of S1 doesn't hold here as they have shown Karan and Nandani have been together for years while Nandani raised Parth.

Hence he never cheated/did bigamy as an adult and what he did as a child was because he was the victim


Math is my weakest subject so my reaction is

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Posted: 11 hours ago

Ekta’s team shares your experience; which is why they messed up the math from day one.

Ekta takes it a step further with poor eyesight that can’t distinguish between a 51 year old and a man in his early to mid 20s by a mile smiley23

Kya faayda itna paisa hone ka agar ek achhe dhang ke eye specialist se consultation bhi na le sako toh? smiley24

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Posted: 10 hours ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

a man in a blue shirt and tie is smoking a cigarette in front of a bulletin board with evidence . Absolutely got this vibe from this comment smiley37

Yaar don't do that.. I mean it repeatedly being told that Karan cheated this season too. Despite there being no reason for him to do that since Bhoomi doesn't exist. Stating everything has happened as in S1, only Mihir didn't cheat and he did it while in amnesia.

So I just thought no revisiting the old episodes to check what exactly happened. And here we are. Wherever possible I have taken preterms and even considered that Mihir Mandira had the relation on the very day Mihir woke up from coma (while that's not possible he was in bed, and Mandira till then was considering him a pateint) Practically it should 1-2 months after this

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Posted: 10 hours ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Ekta’s team shares your experience; which is why they messed up the math from day one.

Ekta takes it a step further with poor eyesight that can’t distinguish between a 51 year old and a man in his early to mid 20s by a mile smiley23

Kya faayda itna paisa hone ka agar ek achhe dhang ke eye specialist se consultation bhi na le sako toh? smiley24

Kahi main to ekta nhi 🙃


She don't write or work on anything now. Her team does and she have weekly meeting with them that's it. She mentioned it in podcast 8 year ago.


But naagin fans are still up in air cursing ekta and her meeting is to them is how to add more ai lol

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Posted: 10 hours ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

The second actor was Inder Kumar. He wasn’t good enough and was replaced.

Adi was a good boy turned rouge out of nowhere, which is why that track failed to resonate. The actor also couldn’t pull off the same level of performance as Aakash. With Ansh we always knew where he stood, who he was and that ultimately his end was either jail or death. Jail would mean he can keep coming back but Ekta decided to go iconic and recreate Mother India.

Even DABH tried to recreate the same scene with Bhabho and her son and failed much like YHM. Her son was also turned into a monster out of the blue from just another lazy, good for nothing idler.

The problem with Ekta is she keeps trying to milk it repeatedly. She doesn’t comprehend that ending something is good too sometimes. She wants to keep cashing in on what she made iconic but she doesn’t realise that what made it iconic was that she gave us exactly the foundation that Ansh needed and got the perfect actor for him too. We rooted for his death and despised his very existence from day one. He didn’t turn bad for the sake of shock value like in YHM and DABH from a good/decent character. He was bad from day one. We knew exactly what he was once he was established though we didn’t understand why Ekta suddenly had a son pop up out of nowhere.


The track had a point - sometimes good people are born to bad people and vice verse. Like Prahlad was born to a demon king, quite literally; and is still Narayan’s greatest Bhakt we think of even today. Tulsi ended up being like Gandhari who had blinders on when her own blood was in question until it was too late. The only difference is she didn’t curse anyone else for his actions or for what she eventually had to do but accepted it as her actions and fate.

No other set of actors have been able to replicate the phenomenon of the Mother India moment Ansh Tulsi created. Not even by Ekta herself. That’s telling. It’s not just because other shows shoehorned in this twist for just shock value but also because they didn’t establish their villains like Ansh was established; the actors are also responsible for this owing to their acting chops. That’s my point.


From the very beginning, Ansh was shown as someone who disrespected women. It wasnt just one incident his behavior towards Baa, Tulsi, and especially Nandini consistently reflected that. I understand that not everyone can immediately accept a new mother figure, especially when they are already grown up. That’s fair. But basic courtesy and respect are still expected and that’s exactly what Ansh never had. Akashdeep portrayed Ansh in a way that made the audience wait for his downfall, not his redemption. There was no sympathy arc there. He was meant to be hated, and it worked. And Akashdeep himself was unable to create that Darkness with Ekalavya which was able to create eit Ansh.

N regarding DABH...I don't exactly recall the story....may be I have to rewatch. Did bhabhi kill Mohit ?

Now comparing kyunki to YHM - Adi was actually one of the most beautifully written characters initially. He was a child who was clearly neglected and emotionally manipulated by his own mother. Shagun did love Adi in her own way, but she always loved herself more. She used him as a tool against Raman, and that shaped his early behavior. But what made Adi’s journey special was Ishita. It was Ishita’s selfless and unconditional love that transformed him. From being a brat he became a genuinely loving, sensitive boy. Their bond didnt feel forced but it evolved naturally. You could actually see a mother son relationship forming over time.

His insecurity when a new baby was discussed was also very real. That fear that Ishita might love him less is something any child would feel. And the fact that he understood and accepted her reassurance shows how deeply he trusted her. That is what made their bond believable. Even after the 7 year leap, it was evident that Adi longed for Ishita. Shagun existed in his life yes but she never held the emotional space that Ishita did.

Then his relationship with Aliya - he was shown as a loving, responsible husband. Even the Roshni marriage track which was forced by circumstances, didnt completely derail his character. He eventually processed it, moved forward, and rebuilt a stable life with Aliya.

And then suddenly… everything changes. Out of nowhere, Adi is shown getting attracted to Roshni again almost like infatuation and it just doesnt align with his established character. It feels abrupt and forced. What makes it worse is Roshni’s arc. Roshni was supported by Ishita and Aliya and they helped her study, supported her growth, and stood by her in her toughest phase. And yet she knowingly gets involved with a married man Adi, who is Aliya’s husband. This wasnt confusion or helplessness but this was a conscious choice.

Even that justification later - that she realized Adi wouldn’t choose her or what she is doing is wrong when Shagun spoke to her and so she stepped back doesnt change the fact that she willingly engaged in something that would hurt the very people who helped her. That is why the audience didnt connect with her the way they did with Nandini in Kyunki.

Nandini was a victim. She went through trauma, abuse, and injustice. Her suffering was visible, prolonged, and layered. Roshni, on the other hand, was not portrayed as a victim...she had agency, and she made choices that directly hurt others. So her “emotional conflict” never really translated into audience sympathy.

Now coming to the biggest difference - Tulsi vs Ishita.

In Kyunki, Tulsi’s reaction was not impulsive. Her anger and pain were built over time. She saw....Ansh constantly disrespecting women, Baa, Herself, Nandini, His toxic behavior and entitlement, the marital rape of Nandini, his attempts to destroy evidence, his manipulation of Mihir and Savita, his plan to kill Tanya, destroying and eliminating all evidences...and finally him kidnapping Nandini and almost killing her just to satisfy his own ego. This wasnt one incident ...it was a pattern of escalating cruelty. Tulsi reached a breaking point after witnessing repeated atrocities. When she shot Ansh, it felt like the culmination of everything she had endured and seen. The audience may have been shocked but they understood her rage and probably they were rooting for her to kill him.

Now compare that to YHM - Adi’s shift was sudden and poorly built. One day he is a loving son and husband, and the next he is behaving obsessively, kidnapping Roshni from a wedding. There was no gradual descent, no layered buildup and then Ishita shoots him. That is where the disconnect happens. Because unlike Kyunki, there was no long standing arc of darkness leading to that moment. It felt rushed, forced, and out of sync with the character we had seen grow over years which is why Tulsi’s rage felt earned, while Ishita’s moment felt forced. So naturally it didnt strike the same emotional chord with the audience.

I do get the core of what you are saying that sometimes good people are born to “bad” circumstances and vice versa. The Prahlad analogy fits in principle and even the Gandhari comparison for Tulsi makes sense to an extent. Ansh was not just “a bad son born to a good mother.” He was written as someone whose darkness was consistently shown and escalated. His actions werent isolated they formed a clear pattern, Disrespect towards women, manipulation and control and eventually, crossing every moral boundary possible. So when Tulsi reached that breaking point it didnt feel like a symbolic or philosophical moment ...it rather felt earned. And I completely agree with you on one thing that no other show has been able to recreate that impact. But that is exactly because later shows tried to replicate the moment, not the process. Take YHM for example. The idea might have been similar showing how even a loved son can go wrong but the buildup just wasnt there. Adi was established as a transformed, emotionally evolved character for years. His sudden shift into obsessive behavior and then directly into that extreme climax didnt have the same layering. So the audience didnt feel that same inevitability. It felt abrupt rather than tragic. Also, acting definitely played a huge role....Akashdeep made Ansh convincingly dangerous, not just problematic. You didnt expect redemption from him... you expected consequences. What made Kyunki iconic wasnnt just the concept. It was the consistency, character arc, and emotional payoff. That is what later shows havent been able to replicate...

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Posted: 10 hours ago

Karan cheating thing is as weird as sone people claim tanya was a milky white pure heart


I love to comment on these things but after a point agree to disagree. Cause I don't know what experience others have so why should I waste my time convince others



Like harini and I were replying to each other and she/he mentioned tanya being modern girl fell for karan and then karan drove her to vamp level. But we have seen how noyona behaved. If tanya was such a big mother India why her both kids turned psycho lol. She's as good of a mother as anupama. And this doesn't mean karan didn't screw up parenting somehow. He did



Balaji shows gen 2 always starts with husband being so busy mourning wife that they neglect kids.supoosed to be romantic but eh also absent parent

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Posted: 10 hours ago

If tulsi wanted she would have killed ansh in Switzerland itself after she saw nandini in that state


But she took a calm decision of filing divorce and DV/marital rape even when such law didn't exist. Still don't do sadly. Realized KN relationship and supported N against her family.


But it's like fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you. Ansh tried the second time and tulsi was like fck this. But it wasn't shown villain getting killed. It was shown at mother's plight for killing son. Even their hospital scenes were so sad.

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Posted: 10 hours ago

Yaar Maine itne research se comment Kiya aur aaplog hans rahe ho...

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