Global Alert: US–Israel's Major Military Operations against Iran🔥#2 - Page 35

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

FYI

U can do your own research on these verses too which btw cannot be changed or refused to be followed & believed as a Muslim.

For ex. Verse 98.6 - which explicitly says disbelievers & polytheists are the worst of creatures. What kind of respect one who believes in this verse will give to disbelievers is anyone's guess.

Context obviously is just an excuse. How does any context, reconcile with the desecration of temples and idols in Bangladesh, Pakistan and even India. Also for centuries Islamic invaders and their modern day progenies have engaged in such acts... Were they true to the context, if any.. History is a proof that no context could prevent Hindu temples and our idols from getting ravaged... They followed these verses literally and not contextually... Of course the price that we paid with loss of human life and dignity is yet another painful chapter in history..

Originally posted by: Cynical1

Is your view of Iran from 30-50 years ago ? Shah of Iran and moderate days of Iran.

Don’t you think the radicalization over so many decades may mean that everything you wrote about it does not hold true any more ? Didn’t US think it was liberating Afghanistan and Iraq?

Iran maybe able to get there again but do you honestly think it’s as easy as “Iran was moderate and hence it will be like that if liberated ?” Maybe in 1-3 decades if they want

You cant really compare iran with states like iraq, afghanistan and others where the USA failed miserably even after liberating them. The main reason for that failure was that their populations remained deeply religious so it was easier for radicalized groups to brainwash people and regain control.

Iranian people, however, are quite different from those nations. 2/3rd of them don't even consides themselves muslim now, they hate islam like anything. Their mindset is generally more modern compared to neighboring countries where religion plays a dominant role in daily life and politics.

Religion plays a very important role in what happens to a nation, even after it gains freedom. Iranian people tend to be more educated and progressive in nature and many feel they are being controlled by an oppressive regime. That wasnt entirely the case in iraq and afghanistan, where lower levels of education, long term instability and strong religious influence made it easier for extremist groups to regain power.

These differences play a major role in distinguishing iran from iraq and afghanistan.

Originally posted by: InsaneDivine

Context obviously is just an excuse. How does any context, reconcile with the desecration of temples and idols in Bangladesh, Pakistan and even India. Also for centuries Islamic invaders and their modern day progenies have engaged in such acts... Were they true to the context, if any.. History is a proof that no context could prevent Hindu temples and our idols from getting ravaged... They followed these verses literally and not contextually... Of course the price that we paid with loss of human life and dignity is yet another painful chapter in history..

If you haven't already read this then do read it. It's a long read but very informative.

https://x.com/i/status/1109384997910138881

Originally posted by: InsaneDivine

Context obviously is just an excuse. How does any context, reconcile with the desecration of temples and idols in Bangladesh, Pakistan and even India. Also for centuries Islamic invaders and their modern day progenies have engaged in such acts... Were they true to the context, if any.. History is a proof that no context could prevent Hindu temples and our idols from getting ravaged... They followed these verses literally and not contextually... Of course the price that we paid with loss of human life and dignity is yet another painful chapter in history..

I hope you don’t take me wrong. I value idols and temples. But I am not as moved by those as their desire to kill others. Human life is precious.

for them it begins with simple things like spitting in food. Then defeating in food and temples. And then grows to direct violence against humans. The last part is the most heinous.

This is why I defend a pm who was left with no choice after oct 7. And a PM who was left with no choice after Pehelgaum. They have tried and tried and tried to be restrained but it doesn’t work with the Islamic extremists. There is no reasoning with them. They have to be eliminated. Humanity doesn’t have another option.

Originally posted by: InsaneDivine

Context obviously is just an excuse. How does any context, reconcile with the desecration of temples and idols in Bangladesh, Pakistan and even India. Also for centuries Islamic invaders and their modern day progenies have engaged in such acts... Were they true to the context, if any.. History is a proof that no context could prevent Hindu temples and our idols from getting ravaged... They followed these verses literally and not contextually... Of course the price that we paid with loss of human life and dignity is yet another painful chapter in history..

I hope you don’t take me wrong. I value idols and temples. But I am not as moved by those as their desire to kill others. Human life is precious.

for them it begins with simple things like spitting in food. Then defeating in food and temples. And then grows to direct violence against humans. The last part is the most heinous.

This is why I defend a pm who was left with no choice after oct 7. And a PM who was left with no choice after Pehelgaum. They have tried and tried and tried to be restrained but it doesn’t work with the Islamic extremists. There is no reasoning with them. They have to be eliminated. Humanity doesn’t have another option.

Originally posted by: IamRaj96

You cant really compare iran with states like iraq, afghanistan and others where the USA failed miserably even after liberating them. The main reason for that failure was that their populations remained deeply religious so it was easier for radicalized groups to brainwash people and regain control.

Iranian people, however, are quite different from those nations. 2/3rd of them don't even consides themselves muslim now, they hate islam like anything. Their mindset is generally more modern compared to neighboring countries where religion plays a dominant role in daily life and politics.

Religion plays a very important role in what happens to a nation, even after it gains freedom. Iranian people tend to be more educated and progressive in nature and many feel they are being controlled by an oppressive regime. That wasnt entirely the case in iraq and afghanistan, where lower levels of education, long term instability and strong religious influence made it easier for extremist groups to regain power.

These differences play a major role in distinguishing iran from iraq and afghanistan.

I hope you are right for the sake of humanity and those people. I don’t believe that 2/3 of iran is still liberal let alone not Islamic anymore.

I hope they come out on the streets and end this war asap with that huge a majority.

I would love to be wrong on this so not arguing even.

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

If you haven't already read this then do read it. It's a long read but very informative.

https://x.com/i/status/1109384997910138881

Good summary of the problem. If they believe in one absolute truth and that includes kill all others or make them slaves and charge taxes , there is no path of redemption

Originally posted by: Cynical1

Good summary of the problem. If they believe in one absolute truth and that includes kill all others or make them slaves and charge taxes , there is no path of redemption

Basically Extremists are the ones who follow the book word by word. Moderates either cherry pick or remain silent or deny (al Takiyya).

https://x.com/ArunudoyB/status/2034922894652780692

https://x.com/BesuraTaansane/status/2034923395121652227