Naagin 7: Episode Discussion Thread #2 - Page 80

Maybe they had missed the line He is male lead while inputting AI and suddenly realized and updated it

True that, though Erul's screen presence is very less his character arc is built good

Originally posted by: MannMeinRadha

That's great. When youve nothing to couner my points , say I glossed over your post when you're the one avoiding most questions and points because you know you have no logical return to them.

Yeah sure you are the most logical person on this forum or in the whole world huh?

Oh, you did ??? Please quote the text where you called his actions condemnable before we called you out through our replies that you're victim blaming ??

you didn't condemn him. You supported his crimes . Aryaman is not complex. He's boring monotonous and uninteresting.

Care to read this- What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable

And this- What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.

If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.

Yeah I agree with your point on his character being boring as I have already stated that he's a Radhika Bhakt and alcoholic too so where's the disagreement here or supporting his crimes huh?

You do realize what you just said is absolutely horribly misogynist?? A woman should do this.. a woman should do that.. Eff that ! Why is it on women to protect themselves and not on men to be decent human beings ?

Funny you keep saying we're starting a gender war when you're the one putting woman on a gender biased box and juding her based on why she didn't act accordingly , so its you who is looking to find excuse for your favorite character, looking at woman through absolutely outdated and obsolete and wrong gender colored lenses.

And no , my answer is no. Your logical answer to the question you asked ( funny you provided a default " logical answer " which is the worst illogical take possible and how you decided this must be the logical course to take. ) is that why should she leave ?? Why ? I wouldn't. No woman should and would leave. Why are you calling it date ? She stayed because when Aryaman saw he's been caught he quickly pretended that he came with an intention to befriend her and she was curious to see what's he trying to do here. It's not her fault for not thinking the lowest of him. She thought he'd be a gentleman when he's not. That's on him, not on her .

So , your take is wrong and biased. No woman should run in a similar scenario unless the man is a known predator.

Seriously-Misogynistic.So if someone points out the flaws in a woman's character irrespective of whether she's a Naagin or not that's misogynistic.I know what's Patriarchy or Misogyny all right.

If I had stated that Ahana should only listen to her husband now whether its Arya or Vikram regarding her life's choices then that would be misogynistic.Watch the Aarambhi show to know what exactly Misogyny is all right?

So as per your logic Aryamaan did not send any SMS for a date from Vikram's cellphone.Then what was that huh?

Men should change for the women agreed whole-heartedly but it applies vice versa also right.

I don't know what comments you have heard regarding some other women and I do wish that such views are either stopped or the mindset gets changed.The society has no doubt opened up but everything else takes some time for the required change.

Neither me nor anybody else here would support misogynistic views on women however when I had stated that a woman would run away from fake dates I think it was from a security and logical perspective right.

If you wanna label every flaws regarding a criticism of a fictional female character as misogyny then I have nothing more to say bcoz it would be like banging a head against the wall huh.

You wanna label Arya a Predator-Go ahead please.

She didn't go on a date. Again you're completely victim blaming to deflect blame from the man. She stayed back for the dinner and a conversation. You trying to call it a date is wrong and manipulative tactics to blame shift from the predator to the victim. Classic case of victim blaming.

" She shouldn't have taken lift in a car with only a man . She should have known better. "

"She shouldn't have gone inside his house with him knowing it's empty , to accept his invitation for a coffee. "

I've seen, heard and read so many different iterations of this same narrative from different sections of the society , all blaming women foe putting themselves in the situation whereas it's men who should be called out for making those apparently harmless situations dangerous.

OK, lets gender reverse it. If Aryaman was a woman and Vikram's friend , would you still say Ahana shouldn't have stayed or she should have run ?

See, the danger comes from Aryaman and its solely his fault.

I apologize but here's again the same answer- I don't know what comments you have heard regarding some other women and I do wish that such views are either stopped or the mindset gets changed.The society has no doubt opened up but everything else.takes some time for the required change.

Neither me nor anybody else here would support misogynistic views on women however when I had stated that a woman would run away from fake dates I think it was from a security and logical perspective right.

If you wanna label every flaws regarding a criticism of a fictional female character as misogyny then I have nothing more to say bcoz it would be like banging a head against the wall huh.

You wanna label Arya a Predator-Go ahead please.

Nope. You're narrating thoae situations as an excuse for Aryaman's action as if it's justifible . As if anything he did so far is excusable , when its not !

Ahana as a character gets critised by us , yes by those who you call Aryaman haters ( super hilarious and curious that you didn't call us Ahana haters because we criticise Ahana harshly too ,for much less faults. Because we are not biased towards any one character like you. )

But you brought those up when we were criticising Aryaman just so you can excuse his actions that render him a predator and a pervert.

Excuse his actions-How does having a balanced view means excusing actions despite condemning the character huh?

You yourself admitted right that you criticised Ahana so what can you be called now?

Your hatred for Aryamaan was fine till the time it clouded your perception.

So ? She didn't know any better when she fell for Aryaman . And even though it was foolish of her to fall for a predator, that doesn't in any way excuse Aryaman being one , does it ? So many women have been in love with the people who hurt them and still it doesn't mean its their fault.

Ahana has every right to do whatever she wants to because she's literally fighting for naag lok and her country and also to take vengeance for her entire family's brutal slaughter. It's absolutely not something we can compare with what Aryaman is doing, which is only and only because of his evil nature and selfish motives.

Uh! Let me guess didn't you yourself admit that you wanted a different ML character from earlier characters like Veer or Maahir?

So many women have been in love with the people who hurt them and still it doesn't mean its their fault.

Yes as I have stated already before that its pathetic and sick to either play with a woman's feeling and let me add such kind of people who do such things don't realise the futility of losing a precious feeling called Love-a gift from god.

Fans like me ? Or fans like you , who have zero logic , zero explanations for the character theyre so desperately defending. You're the one who has zero perception of difference between real and reel or else you wouldn't have said in real life a woman should have done this or that, a married woman should've done this or that. Aren't you drawing real life parallels all the time ??

Are you for real ? Your entire previous comments are all about what you think they should've done in real life . And you're telling us we don't know the difference? You're practically completely out of touch with what's real and what's reel.

I needn't repeat myself-talking with you is like banging a head against the wall.

I perfectly know the difference between real and reel world.But if you wanna end up mixing real life issues with every criticism then that just derails the argument nothing else losing track of an entire discussion.

From what I can see that you also have certain expectations and desires for a clean soft-hearted logical ML character and that would have been perfectly fine if certain illogical or irreleavant arguments were not made.

There are thousands of real life issues to talk about so where to start now? You think using strong language is the solution.

You think every criticism regarding a female character is Misogyny really even if its fair from a story-line perspective?

Wonder what would have been your opinion regarding vamps like Yamini or Komolika-Nope even they cannot be criticised right.

You never comdemed him. You literally defended him. So , yeah be real for a second and come out of your own hypnosis perhaps ?

Please look at the earlier comments.

That's only your take and you've no right to say or judge or comment on how an ordinary woman would've behaved in such a situation. And you're completely wrong on top of that. Why would women have to run away always ?? And if they don't it's their fault for what harm is being done to them?

Yeah that's my take and I have just presented an opinion.You are free to disagree without having pre-judging issues huh.

And it was about the Fake dates here.I needn't elaborate more so keep adding some false viewpoints here regarding a woman.

Perhaps ?? Did you just say he perhaps should not have been a pervert and a predator ?? Well well, now I know where you stand and how you think .

Indeed strong words but again that's your biased POV. I also know now regarding your biased thinking and your standing too huh.

So, he didn’t take off her clothes and SA ed her ! Let's give him an award for chivary.

Truly, the bar is in hell ! We are excusing predators for not doing outright SA ! We've progressed as a society ig.

We now have men who only bad mouths their wife and uses her as a tool to make his best friend and ex jealous versus men who do marital SA ! That's a hero for us Ig.

Nothing to say or write.You want to have clean ML characters so please watch those kind of shows.

First you wanna have a different ML character and then when its presented then you go hammer and tongs which is all right but stretch the arguments further and further with no end in hindsight.

What a true hero ! Who only stalked a married woman for five years when drunk . Truly the gold standard !

Fantastic bit of victim blaming you did here by saying she shouldn't have entered into a relationship with him ! How would she know how he truly is ? Does she watch Naagin every weekend on tv ?? Confusing reel life with real life again?

That's entirely your opinion and IDC now bcoz you are also a My Way/Highway kind of person and its called Orthodoxy or having fixed conservative views huh since you are so fond of putting labels.

Again , I've zero idea why do you think you did something respecting my views here ! May be you need sleep ?

Yeah even I have zero idea now to your replies same here.

She didn't choose to be a bystander. You didn't even watch the episode did you ?! She and her mother did every thing they could. What more did you think she should have done , care to elaborate?

You honestly don't think she should have jumped in the middle of a bunch of trained militants and a sapera who killed her mother like nothing , to try to stop the killing , do you ? Because that'd be insane . She did nothing wrong by not trying to stop them when the killing spree started. That'd have been utterly foolish and suicidal and her life was vital for being the powerful ally that she is .

She did nothing wrong in encouraging Ahana to kill Aryaman, who is still a Suri and he'd have gone to the Suris first thing to tell them about Ahana ( as we saw ) so she was protecting Ahana's secret which is key to their mission. She was right in doing so. Do you even understand the stakes here ? So many innocents will die and an entire country will go up in fire if they fail.

Yes having a biased gender-centric view is all right but shout misogyny when confronted with opposing views huh.

But you only brought up the topic of Radhika or her husband not contacting the law enforcement when the discussion was on Aryaman's stalking. You're completely and absolutely defending his stalking. If you'd brought this up as a discussion point to Radhika's character study that'd have been different.

Ofcourse Radhika has some hidden purpose or motive behind her actions, be it rejecting Aryaman on their wedding day , or pretending to be married or joining his company again. Everyone knows that and understands that.

But those motives have nothing to do with Aryaman being a stalker and no, it's not just problematic, it's literally a criminal offense .

Yeah Yeah of course Radhika's a positive character.She never betrayed Aryamaan huh.

I've already talked about it in another post. Not only Vikram did absolutely nothing wrong, Pinky and Aryaman both should be ashamed and beg for his forgiveness for how they'd taken advantage of his kindness, good heart and friendship. If you've friends like Aryaman you don't need enemies.

He's absolutely justified in not only bringing Radhika back , he is justify in doing anything he does against Aryaman and his evil sister Pinky whi ruined his life.

So according to you , a woman is allowed to ruin a man's life and he can't even retaliate? So who's playing the gender card here ?

That's the problem isn't it not reading the full statement- Do you realize the gravity of such statements before even writing the same-Pinky might be manipulative or obsessed but has she ruined Vikram's life? No right so what has given you the god-damn right to either support or decide what should a human being do to another human beings life or in your own statement-Its all right if a man ruins a woman's life huh.

Care to see the statement in Red or will you gloss over this also quite conveniently?

Irrespective of gender no human being has the right to ruin another person's life is that so much a difficult fact to digest huh?

Yes I don't support what Arya did to Vikram and Vikram has that logical basis to turn negative on him which I had expressed earlier also.

I don't look at the situation in a biased manner unlike you all right and yes don't need any character-certificate also huh.

Simple point is Arhana both are fictional characters and have their own individual flaws.

While I do agree with this fact that certain traits of Aryamaan are downright condemnable he has certain positive points like any other fictional character.

And yeah it does not make me or anybody else a fan.

One can have strong viewpoints without going overboard or putting insuinations too but then certain fans forget that this is a group forum not an individual one.

If Arya's character is being called criminal here then that's their POV.But twisting or putting words/false viewpoints looks like imposing an certain argument here.

Even certain strong and pretty much objectionable language has been used even though the replies could have been in a proper manner.

Originally posted by: imsoumyasrk06

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Finally Bharani gets alliance..

Initially I thought Vikram will be her alliance.

Ananta/ahana/purvi whatever her name is, she is sucha doormat. God, sucha spineless woman. Any guy can forcefully pull her into a dance, she doesn't say a word but then goes into naagin mode and saves a girl from a molester. Behen, pehle khudh ke liye stand lo, phir duniya ko bachana.

Arya can keep treating her trash, she doesn't give back. Vikram can keep calling her baby, despite her being married to someone else and she doesn't mind this at all.

And why the hell have they cleared aryaman's and Ahana's misunderstanding so early? Was so interested to see Ahana's conflicting emotions wrt to Arya just like bela had but alas. Male lead gets no ss, there are no romantic scenes of the lead pair. Killers are getting killed in a minute. So frigging bored.

Radhika is also so boring, she was hyped so much only to get a screentime of 5 mins in 2 episodes lol. I thought we might get some Arya Radhika scenes, but he keeps ignoring her.

Roma is finally back, good to see her. Wasn't she interested in Arya? How is she so cool seeing him being married? Bechari ka pyaar toh gaya, abhi she'd be replaced at the channel as well by ahana.

Originally posted by: imsoumyasrk06

Finally Bharani gets alliance..

Initially I thought Vikram will be her alliance.

Chalo good for her. Otherwise she had nothing to do except impersonate the dead people and Ahana's dad.

Erul is least interested in humans, let alone women, why would he do that? Lol

I also thought the same

I have a prediction of the upcoming episodes. Like Erul has given another task to Parmeet and that other man (I dont know his name) to find a hidden temple, even Ahana saw a temple in her visions, so once they find that temple, Ahana would also find it at the same instance, that's where Parmeet, that man and Erul’s track would end. That's what I think will happen. This is where there would be a confrontation between Erul and Ahana as well as their face off.