Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 39 - Page 93

Originally posted by: sadiltl

It seemed like he is in sync with mannat's eyes and emotions. They have very good understanding...thats all. I didnt watch preleap much so whatever is shown post leap, DK seems good to me.

Have you seen Pakhi post leap ghum? She is also all goody, she is supposedly changed but her inherent selfish ness never changed. all her talks/assurances to Virat have some agenda. I dont see such things in DK yet. He looks "agenda"less.

I want to see DK the moment he realises Vikrant didn't know about the pregnancy. At the moment he has no need for an agenda since he is happy with the status quo. Live their natural lives as friends with Mannat whilst raising Dua. He is content so to say.

If he stays the same then my pre-leap issues with him can start to thaw. Right now he is just standing as Mannat's support. He is not in as much pain as Manvik are. Vikrant is reacting because to him he lost his whole world. I want to see DK the moment there is a risk of losing Dua.

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Originally posted by: Rdigest

Bold 1 did we when the episode and BTS came up ? Lets say we did, do we not know Vikrant is being lied to? Same goes for m lying during fake engagement vs Mannat lying and planning to lie life long about his identity.

Bold 2 - I am actually defending ManVik, Mannat and Vikrant since for me both are at fault and both are victims. Both made mistakes pre-leap, both continue to make make mistakes post leap.

Points highlighted for Vikrant are perceived as defending Vikrant, points in favor of Mannat are perceived as she deserves the support because she is the victim. I am pointing out the unconscious bias based on gender for the same mistakes both have committed and audience reaction to these mistakes.

bold... I refrain from making judgements based on BTS and episodes... if I have those must been an unintentional.

Red and blue ... dont downplay the situations regarding Mannat and Vikrant. The only time when Mannat wholeheartedly forgave Aish was when she saved her from goon attack in Mezbani and lets be honest that was an actual save since Aish realized it will fall back on her and Malla. So even if we assume Aish had selfish motives, she did actually save Mannat in that situation. The situation was so carefully planned and executed by Aish that it did make some sense why Mannat believes Aish helped her. You cant deny that.

at all other times, Mannat has been suspicious of her... she had kept records and she made sure Aish gets punished.

Whereas the only direct attack Vik has faced so far is the molestation attempt by Malla... something she and Aish accepted on their own.

Nobody knows about the DH attack which Mannat wanted to investigate and was not allowed to.

That's why I say the audience supports or understands Mannats POV because it is well written or at least has some logical base.

Viks doesnt... he not only forgave her for the ONS but he lets her meddle in his life... there's still no sense why he thinks Malla reformed when she was at the forefront of the skit which triggered him and she was supporting Vish all along in putting the entire blame on Mannat.

I have supported Vik when the situation was not written in his favour and his reactions were justifiable.

I supported Vik when he couldnt believe Bobby would so such a nasty crime.

I supported him when he married Malla because of how she presented him the ONS. I remember my justification of why he feels he could have done it because she took the blame on herself and he was too drunk to understand.

I supported Vik during the wedding kaand because he was a proof of himself... and I still do.... there can be no greater proof than Viks own memories. In that situation, he deserved sympathy and understanding because his memories validated what vish was saying and it was written that way....

I do not belong to that audience who bash Vikrant unnecessarily. But i will not hold back my frustration when he doesnt behave the way we were told he is supposed to. He is supposed to be Mannats BDB, protecting her not fighting with her.

Green... sorry to say but post leap and especially post Indore, I have not seen you supporting Mannat as vociferously as you do vikrant. And I hate to bring it up but its also true that you dont like DK and you judge Mannats behaviour from her association to DK... her words and her behaviour is dissected too much while Vik gets a free pass in name of trauma. Is he the only one in trauma? For that matter, even RoTu are in trauma.... I dont remember anything in their support.

If they get blamed for their mistakes pre leap and the life they have now as what they deserve how is it that Vik shouldn't own up to his mistakes???? why shouldnt he suffer alone for his mistakes? Why does he gets sympathy but RoTu and Mannat dont when their trauma is equally valid and disturbing.

Purple and blue... Thats the only thing I agree.... Mannat is a victim... but she is victim of Vikrant more than RoTu... she has suffered the worst possible brunt of his anger and is still suffering it with no sign of relief in future... all because she wanted to protect him from a trauma she herself went through.

Was that one lie big enough to let go of everything else? Is that lie and whatever betrayal Vik feels warrants such a disgusting behaviour from Vik???

Are the situations even comparable????

Just look at the situation in yesterdays episode ... Mannat gracefully and sensibly accepted Vikrants new life... congratulated him for his engagement and wished him well and what has Vikrant done ever since he has met her?

She too feels betrayed as much as he does.... but isn't there a difference in how they both approached the situation? One with maturity and the other with complete insensitivity????

So how does my gender matter when that's the picture I am seeing on my screen....

All I am asking is Vik to show some growth and understanding and it shouldn't happen because someone told him something. It has to be independent of anyone's influence.

Is there is logic to him accepting Ys proposal? Who is he going to blame this time? and does he really plan to move on with Y? if yes... why hurt Mannat?

My frustration is with writing of the character and credit to Adnan for making it watchable... but I cant defend him simply because he is ML.

As I said, I draw the line at repeated CAs

Originally posted by: Rdigest

Some philosophy and a long post which I didn't want to write. Irrational maybe rational for the person whose brain is fogged by deception, lies, abandonment, betrayal and the trauma they are living through for years.

We are able to make judgements because we have additional information from story perspective which Mannat and Vikrant do not have.

Were Vikrant's dialogues about money and asking Mannat to stay in SM out of line absolutely yes. Does Mannat have an option to walk out, absolutely Yes. Mannat already made a decision and threatened Neetu to never meet Vikrant which degraded her health further. Still Mannat didn't change her decision about Neetu meeting Vikrant which was her last wish. We didn't call Mannat ruthless did we, because this was for Dua. So, why not walk out now?

Do we think when Mannat finds out Malla fooled her while she was waiting for Vikrant with divorce papers, she wouldn't see where Vikrant's anger was coming from, do we think when Vikrant realizes why Mannat was so hurt at the funeral, Vikrant won't understand Mannat's anger ? Would we only want Vikrant to understand what Mannat went through but not Mannat understanding what Vikrant went through?

At the moment all I see is writers are actually giving parallels between Mannat and Vikrant and how both were/are wrong. However, Mannat being the fl and a mother audience end up justifying everything Mannat does and automatically sympathize with her because of the audience ratio between females: males. It's like Vikrant being ml and a gender who cannot conceive also works against him.

I will give 2 more examples why I brought up female audience being the majority and how we always react in favor of fl. 1) We crucified Vikrant for forgiving Malla and trusting her, fair enough, when Mannat forgave ARS for murder, attempted murder, promising not to reveal assault attempt on herself, did the audience react? Infact we felt bad for Mannat, because ARS was fooling her. 2) when Vikrant lied about fake engagement we crucified Vikrant though he fell for Malla's true friend promises & that she was Mannat's friend & never sympathized with him vs when Mannat planned to lie, keep Vikrant in dark about his identity, the crimes RoTu did we defended Mannat saying it's for Vikrant's benefit.

Trust , We hear Mannat's dialogue Vikrant never trusted her and hail Mannat, but we ignore the fact Vikrant trusted Mannat up until Mannat herself confirmed she lied after the video played and was planning to keep lying to him his whole life.

I/we make fun of writers for lack of creativity , but have to say writers keep the balance between Mannat and Vikrant in what they do, how they react. We react to scenes differently between Mannat and Vikrant. We can call them names and anything else but hoping the writers have plan to clear this whole mess out eventually 🤞🙈 . I am going to enjoy the episodes finally with ManVik, AdSha after 2.5 months of torture & hits and misses.

Will add something which stuck me and made me write this post by @Betty 🤩

"He knows his woman. How could she move on. As an audience their love may not make sense to us and we may judge it but those two understood their love perfectly"

Bang on post, Rd..agree with every point..

Both must reflect on their actions..

The vamps used their internal flaws as leverage

Both need to take actions to fix their past errors.

They will come together, likely stronger than before..

Moving beyond M vs.Vik, the narrative should focus on Manvik as a whole entity, realising their mistakes and how the vamps manipulated their weaknesses to break them apart. The scriptwriters need to fix their character arcs.The arc requires them to achieve realization,remorse and redemption and ultimately reunion...

We need a major revelation now to end this exhausting situation ASAP.. Without it, the misunderstandings get dragged further.

Beautiful thought Betty ♥️ It is amazing that the whole concept of their love and their connection since her birth has been covered in one sentence. 👏 Their bond, rooted in the very moment of her birth, has only deepened over time, forming a secure, shared bond and a rich history that continues to shape their relationship today inspite of separation and mu-ings..

The writers need to work hard to give both characters a beautiful redemption arc, without repeating distasteful past tracks, like paanmasala wedding track...

@Sadhika, Chaotic

I dont suppose they are going to do DK Mannat as endgame... that's not how ITV works and frankly with all due respect Manit is no match to Adnan....

If he is getting good dialogues doesn't mean he is the ML or he gets ML treatment. For that matter, all he gets are good dialogues but nothing actionable. He wont do anything on his own till Mannat asks him to help and that has been the scenario pre leap as well.

even now, his haters are not seeing how he is actually supporting Viks agenda one way or another.

He gets bashed right left and centre for things he did and things he didnt do...

for example, people criticized him when he didnt stand up for Mannat pre leap when Vish CAed her... doubted his motives that he wanted Vik to see the picture all along and hence he didnt intervene... let Vik believe so...

But today when he said it... he still gets bashed because it has come too late and his same words are now seen as not words of Mannats family member/jeth but as Mannats (perceived) husband.

What I am trying to say is... to me DK doesnt matter, never has and never will...

I dont expect any growth in him or any realization of his mistakes.... he is simply to show a mirror to Vik on how a partner should react without pre conceived ideas.

And he is doing that without any reciprocal till now.

That's what Vik is actually seeing but not assimilating. Why he is frustrated with DK and Mannat!!!

I have a fairly simple metric to judge who is a good character and who is not...

Lets be honest even Shruti had lied and hidden things from Mannat, most important being her birth truth.

Taking that as a reference... my rubric is the intentions towards ManVik ... whether the act of any character is to harm/separate ManVik or to bring them closer.

So far, DK has not done anything willingly (if I may add) to separate ManVik... so he to me falls in the good guy category. that doesnt mean he is the ML...

DK makes mistakes and that causes problems... just like Aish actually wants to separate manvik but her actions have always brought them closer.... but we joke about that dont we? Its the actions having opposite reactions

Because DK is a good guy... vikrant always and always has to be better than him... however good DK is and will remain. that's my yardstick... not many understand it.

@Sadhika

The gender bias discussion is what I have had with RD long back and I do not agree that we look at Mannat with sympathy and crucify Vik because we are females.

My point was same as you... Mannats content is better written that it gets justifiable logic... Vik... not so much.

But assuming its a gender bias.. unconsciously ofcourse... then too why should it be wrong if that's what we have been fed?

How did Vik earn the title of BDB? It was given to him by Mannat because he protected her... sometimes even when she did not seek him out. He could sense when Mannat would be in danger and he would somehow save her. Thats what we have seen and we are told why he is BDB. A typical ITV ML trait.

In the current scenario, Viks first thought when Kumar told him about Neetu's illness is why didnt Mannat tell me or come to me?

She didnt because she was operating for her pre leap experiences... but now when she has indeed come to him for help... what is he doing when he is putting clause after clause since she is stuck and has no alternative left? why should I call him BDB when he is being insensitive?

Why is my gender in question if I am only going by what the story has told me about the lead characters and I expect them to behave on those lines?

Can they lose the copyright for EDKV??

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Yeh lo firse shuru

Originally posted by: shiro_shinchan

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Yeh lo firse shuru

It's been 7years, can't blame the guy. Do you see Mannat's eyes on his lips I wouldn't be surprised if he has cornered her within a few mins of her entering SM.

Which room is this?

Kya tum log bhi What an entertaining episode, if you stop thinking about Manvik. Even with Manvik, it was entertaining.

- DK stops Vik from holding Mannat, when she tells him off. Vikrant is flaming angry (loved Adnan, here, sorry for my shallowness). DK says I have decided meri Dua iss competition ka bhaag nahi hogi.

- Taking advantage, Vish takes on DK. DK almost calls her mom, but stops himself. She tells him he has no shame coming here, after snatching his younger brother's fiancée. Vik and Mannat are having glaring matches at each other.

- DK tells her not to talk about brothers bonding since she destroyed it here in SM. Malla is getting restless, wondering why Vish had to stop them when they were leaving?

- In the meantime, ARS's cape catches fire, and she rushes in. Vik and DK, everyone rushes to put out the fire, while Mannat looks on. She notices ARS. Vik sees her reaction, and at once realises what she must be thinking. DK has not seen her yet, and walks off, calling Mannat to leave!

- ARS pretends to pass out, a crowd gathers around her. Malla pushes mannat; and she falls, hitting head on the table. Vik catches her, and they have a long eye lock. Mannat is all teary but Vik is just mesmerised.

- Mannat gets up, and Vikrant tells her she is not ARS. He tries to relax her, saying look at me ( AS IF)

- DK comes running, sees Mannat hurt, and pushes Vik, covers the hurt with his sleeve, Vikrant fumes at this.

- Malla tells the crowd, ARS has to be taken to the hospital, in a wheelchair.

- In the meantime, Yashika is wondering what is happening, who is ARS. Why did Mannat get so upset seeing Arzoo? Welcome, Yashika, to the real world of Saluja Mansion. yuvi is really cute these days, he comes 'No, I want to cut the cake NOW, come with me' And distracts her!!

- As Vish walks out with ARS on the wheel chair, DK comes running, bumps into Y's parents, and the Vish notices the saree. Now I did not know she meant Coochico's face, I thought she meant Gucci. Mera MU bhi clear ho gaya.

- Mannat comes running, & jumps on ARS. This was such a good scene, where she's pulling at the cloth, & everyone tries to pull her off ARS

- Again Vish who seems to be really dumb, threatens DK, with the Police Commissner, Mannat says go ahead. Vikrant refuses to call, the police saying let Mannat be satisfied. He says, they all misunderstood; give Mannat time, let her get her peace of mind.

- Mannat is a cuter version of Manjulika here, swaying and saying to DK...she is ARS, I can feel her presence.

- ARS is distraught, crying. i felt again totally satisfied, thinking of the way she killed Shruti!!