Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 39 - Page 89

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Given the patriarchal setup in which the story belongs to, Vik has higher moral responsibility and he has only behaved selfish when the crisis came. The wedding day, he thought only about his betrayal. We can give him BoD because he is human and he felt betrayed and it is not easy to digest an indentity crisis. But what he has done after that puts him in a low moral standpoint. Seven years is a long time for introspection and to understand why Mannat hid the truth....they could have shown him trying to search mannat and his parents for once!! With wealth, power and status, he naturally assumes more moral responsibility than Mannat. Add his gender to it, then he has to be more responsible. Thats the minimum expectation.

Unfortunately, society is not yet there to see him and Mannat with same lens. Even if we see them with equal lens, what Vik has done to his foster parents is not morally right. IMHO. They should have shown him searching for them atleast once. Or when he found them out, immediately reach out to them...independent of what he feels for Mannat. Lets say if Mannat died, then what? would he leave his parents on the road? Or never searched for them? If one is this heartless (according to dumb writers how they are projecting him) to his own foster parents, enjoying their wealth, how in the first place will he raise someone else's child? I dont think people connected to Yuvi and him at all. Again writers fault for such poor execution. They just dont care. Insert one passionate hug and pray everything works out. Do not put effort in making him worthy of such hugs.

Rightly pointed out sadiltl.. Writers don't think in depth..

I too pointed out same in the immediate post leap episodes as to why vik is not searching for rotu atleast.. for mannat he remembers mannat saying she won't forgive him and then left town.. So maybe he thinks she don't want to be involved with him, this time irreparably.. But he should have atleast searched for rotu.. But recent episode of vik-neetu indicated he is heart vs mind situation, his heart wants thems back but mind says they left town and don't want him in their life so he didn't want to push his way through their life..but as you said what if even with mannat by side they were not doing well, he should have atleast kept a tab on them and their well being..?,

Same way with mannat, they completely left of her relationship with gagan and aniruddh.... Both were so important in her life, especially gagan..

In same way with dhairya... As I have already said no matter how many issues we have with our siblings , if at all we can do something for their well being we do it.. We keep our issues aside, help them and once things sort out we maybe back being mad at them until they apologize.. In same way dhairya could stay mad at vik for what he did preleap but he could have met vik atleast once after a week or so after the wedding day.. Atleast for sake of his niece?, I wouldn't have kept this responsibility on dhairya if he was a stranger but as brother and dcp who actually could have solved the issues by investigating dadi's death case, he didn't try even once atleast for sake of his neice well being.. And dhairya would have done that, given his character graph he is a good man despite his flaws, he would have been sensitive and sorted enough to try to resolve the issue atleast one more time for his brother who he claimed to love the most?, or atleast for his neice..but writers left that part out...

All this because had vik tried meeting rotu, or dk tried meeting vik then there wont be 7 years leap.. But had they put little bit effort they could found some logic as to why they didn't do it or even if they did why werent they successful..?

In same way today's dialogues I doubt if writers even understood what they wrote..how wrong it came across..because if they actually wanted vik to say this in such a double meaning way, they would have made mannat slap him.. that dialogue was so gross.. And the worst thing is tomorrow vik and mannat will share a intense eye lock..?, logic????.. had it been a day or two later it was still fine but just 2 min later to this confrontation.. that eye lock scenes,mannat should have atleast in that moment felt uncomfortable looking into his eyes.. but they share such a longing eye lock...What we're they thinking while writing these scenes...?

The worst thing is malla molested vik twice, sent goons to sexually assault mannat and then record it,and they wrote all this without providing justice to mannat Or vikrant... There is a limit to creativity liberty too..

It's not like they don't have any other choice to get mannat to SM.. they could have made vik do this for neetu to stay at SM for her health reasons.. Or to help mannat find out about aish..

And also I am not commenting on vik accepting yash proposal because as of now I feel his intentions with yash are true, he actually wants to try to move on..just like how they showed until now.. that he won't be able to move on but he doesn't realise it yet, so he is actually trying to move on....and showing off infront of mannat is subsidiary ...But going ahead if they show vik accepted yash proposal just to make mannat jealous.. then it's not acceptable..

Originally posted by: Rdigest

I am only going to stick to ManVik since we discussed in depth about why we like/dislike some side characters and I won't bring them into this post .

Did my post justify any of Vikrant's actions or Mannat's actions? Infact, I praised the writers for a change for bringing out equal actions and reactions from both characters and was focusing on how audience reacts differently to similar situations when played out on ML and FL.

And I still have issues with ML characterization and how he is kept in the dark until the final showdown, but that's not the intention of my post and to diss the writers like I always do.

Reaction of the audience I highlighted is irrespective of writing, characterization and how similar scenes get different reactions from audience.

Bold..

Not this one but

'Mannat should accept her mistakes, Mannat should have redemption. RoTu are his criminals, oh he got triggered by DCP, DK shouldn't have done so n so'...

All these are statements in Viks defense.. I dont know what more defense can there be...

I can speak for myself when I am saying Viks actions especially post meeting Mannat in Indore cannot be justified.. he is acting purely out of revenge. And that his characterization or rather the downfall of his character is independent of what anyone else did. I draw a line at CA. 🤬

And I have a right to criticize what I dont like.

We have gone over this which now seems like forever. 🤦‍♀️

Pink.... similar scenes get different reactions because typically Mannats thought process comes out logical and with a justification whereas Viks doesn't.

Not everything can be excused as his trauma when he has done nothing to come out of that trauma. Least he could havr done was to get professional help. He is not trying to come out of it rather making it difficult for himself by making another grave mistake.

A simple start would be him looking into who real Vikrant Saluja is.. an identity he carries but is struggling to accept. This he can do without checking up on anything or anyone.

Nothing Vik is doing right now or was doing since Indore can be explained without having an undue bias in his favour.

I think we can all agree that we want ManVik together and fight the demons in their life. There is no audience who doesn't want them to end up together.. but it should come after proper redemption... not because they have to end up together.

Where is Mannats BDB who used to be her protector right from when she was few hours old? He used to save her when she did not even seek him.

And now when she actually needs him he is fighting with her not for her. He is fighting everything that she has stood for. So why should I as a viewer have sympathy for him when I see nothing but humiliation and distrust and it frustrates me to see a ML like this.

The reason I point this out is Mannat was fighting with Vish for Vikrant.. not against him... thats the key difference.

Thats the reason the audience sympathizes with her.

And if I am to bring the gendered perspective again then I want to see Aditya Kashyaps, Jay Rathods, Rahul Raichands and Raj Malhotras of the world... not Kabir Singh and Animals.

Is it a tall ask for a ML who was once a green flag???

Originally posted by: Moor278

Bold..

Not this one but

'Mannat should accept her mistakes, Mannat should have redemption. RoTu are his criminals, oh he got triggered by DCP, DK shouldn't have done so n so'...

All these are statements in Viks defense.. I dont know what more defense can there be...

I can speak for myself when I am saying Viks actions especially post meeting Mannat in Indore cannot be justified.. he is acting purely out of revenge. And that his characterization or rather the downfall of his character is independent of what anyone else did. I draw a line at CA. 🤬

And I have a right to criticize what I dont like.

We have gone over this which now seems like forever. 🤦‍♀️

Pink.... similar scenes get different reactions because typically Mannats thought process comes out logical and with a justification whereas Viks doesn't.

Not everything can be excused as his trauma when he has done nothing to come out of that trauma. Least he could havr done was to get professional help. He is not trying to come out of it rather making it difficult for himself by making another grave mistake.

A simple start would be him looking into who real Vikrant Saluja is.. an identity he carries but is struggling to accept. This he can do without checking up on anything or anyone.

Nothing Vik is doing right now or was doing since Indore can be explained without having an undue bias in his favour.

I think we can all agree that we want ManVik together and fight the demons in their life. There is no audience who doesn't want them to end up together.. but it should come after proper redemption... not because they have to end up together.

Where is Mannats BDB who used to be her protector right from when she was few hours old? He used to save her when she did not even seek him.

And now when she actually needs him he is fighting with her not for her. He is fighting everything that she has stood for. So why should I as a viewer have sympathy for him when I see nothing but humiliation and distrust and it frustrates me to see a ML like this.

The reason I point this out is Mannat was fighting with Vish for Vikrant.. not against him... thats the key difference.

Thats the reason the audience sympathizes with her.

And if I am to bring the gendered perspective again then I want to see Aditya Kashyaps, Jay Rathods, Rahul Raichands and Raj Malhotras of the world... not Kabir Singh and Animals.

Is it a tall ask for a ML who was once a green flag???

Regarding criticizing, to each of their own 💯 and so I am focusing only on audience reactions for similar scenes on leads. I won't even dwell into who is right or who is wrong.

My post was to highlight writers POV , how audience are reacting to similar scenes between ML & FL. Let me bring up 1 example which I pointed out in my post, Vikrant forgiving Malla vs Mannat forgiving ARS. Is there really a logical thinking or reasoning for either of their actions? Malla sex trapped Vikrant, ARS murdered Sunita, made murder attempts on Mannat, Shurti.

Originally posted by: Mona_HappyLife

Woh toh har couple mei fights hota hai na. And out of anger, the partner does say some spiteful things to the other partner but the question is how long ?

Matlab if Vikrant's situations is never solved is he forever going to be like this to her & not for once try to know what had actually happen 7 yrs back ? (considering hypothetically 1 secret atleast comes out)

Thats were my problem is. Mannat par gussa about hidding RoTu Aman truth is one thing & continously CAing her is another. Relationships can never work like this in the name of eternal love. Thats all crap.

That statement was extremely in bad taste. Thankfully Dua or Yuvi didn't hear all these.

If it's about dialogues and writing, Saditil and Chaotic made a few brilliant posts today. I would highly recommend the posts 🤩

Yeah I am just saying they have all the material to show him in positive light but not sure why they write him so badly… for example with neetu’s treatment, just rearrange the dialogues and scenes to show what his “main” motivation is. Thats all they need to do. They are doing it with mannat and even DK but not with vik. Why they are not getting it is beyond me.. unless they are really thinking about changing the dynamics btw mannat and DK.

Also like moor or someone said multiple times here, what DK did or didn’t do doesn’t matter in the bigger picture because he is not the lead. If they are trying to make him one, they are really doing a good job with his character at the moment.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Yeah I am just saying they have all the material to show him in positive light but not sure why they write him so badly… for example with neetu’s treatment, just rearrange the dialogues and scenes to show what his “main” motivation is. Thats all they need to do. They are doing it with mannat and even DK but not with vik. Why they are not getting it is beyond me.. unless they are really thinking about changing the dynamics btw mannat and DK.

Also like moor or someone said multiple times here, what DK did or didn’t do doesn’t matter in the bigger picture because he is not the lead. If they are trying to make him one, they are really doing a good job with his character at the moment.

Ya, i got you😄 i was saying the same thing, they have options that too easy ones as alternative to whatever they are doing, but still they don't use them.. For example, they could have made vik know about yash motives and hence he said yes to her proposal to reveal her truth completely, this way vik has atleast something to deal with, while mannat deals with ars.. And the catering contract could have come after ars revelation.., where vik too feels if mannat's suspicions are right, and wants to help her to investigate...

I also feel same thing if they are proceeding with Dhairya-mannat..?, but i doubt if they will do that because even though most of itv , show leads to be soulmates.. this show had the foundation even more stronger that manvik are soulmates and are linked through destiny along with ARS.. one thing that never changed in this show is how they show mannat-vik-ars are linked and no matter what ,they are steered towards eachother... and also if they go with dhairya-mannat angle then all of the vamps revelation doesn't have effect, as I have mentioned in one of my previous posts.. this shows usp is vamps trying to seperate manvik for property.. if they go with Dhairya-mannat angle then vamps have nothing to do... the show will have nothing to show

And the reason I can think of as to why they are stalling or going in circles with vik character graph is that currently the show is not only important to mannat makers but also to the channel... makers also hardly care about characters or ships but they do care a little bit because they build the story so they are little bit emotionally attached to their characters.. but channel doesn't care,they just want drama... And drama comes from FL's pain and a FL feels most pain when the person she loves the most hurts her and it's the ML...or other times she gets pain is when vamps do their nuisance...so until she messes with the vamps mostly the ML has to take the bait....here it's vik ..once she gets involved with vamps then ML will be the savior.. ,typical itv..

Now that vamps are back in mannat's life I hope they start vikrant's redemption... I heard a update that vik and mannat will save dua from a blast and that's when mannat realises that no matter what, vik will not hurt dua.. and also that update says that March month is crucial for mannat as a significant revelation will happen, I guess seeing current track it's yashika's truth.... And once ipl starts I think they have to get interesting tracks to keep audience hooked, so may be we expect some good changes then.

Originally posted by: Daman17

New dua

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVBXcLJDEXg/

Their casting is usually good, but this kid looks way older than 6-7. She is also maturing early 🤐🫣

Plus Yami really looked like ManVik’s daughter. Guess we have no choice but to chew the glass & accept her. Especially if this story is to move to the next generation at some point of time.

Originally posted by: Moor278

Does anybody not realise how pathetic and utterly disgraceful this sounds coming from a ML????

Mind you this is prior to saying she has to take up the catering contract 🙄

How can someone defend him in the name of jealousy or feeling betrayed????

https://x.com/i/status/2025509945332896011

I was going to comment on the update but then I read this!

Shukar hai khuda ka,that i wasnt watching this on TV or anywhere else. Screen would have been smashed to smithereens 🤬🤬🤬

This is such a cheap line for a ML to say. Like she is some roadside hooker like in Pretty Woman.

Who is the dialogue writer? The other Dhond? Every time one thinks chalo restart karte hain, something happens.

The ViNal fiasco is getting repeated. Bas r*** bakhi hai.

I hope in the clause of living in the house, it means DK is also going to live there. Why should Mannat be the only one who will be knowingly hurt morning,noon & night? I know tit for tat is childish, but then yeh aadmi mature hi kahan hai??

In my eyes, daily the makers/writers/channel are reducing their ML to almost unredeemable levels. It is loyal Adnan fans who stand up for Vikrant now. Warna bakhi sab joote phenk rahe hain.

Nutmeg is going to throw joota at me, but why does any actor have to accept the constant degradation of his character??

Very curious to learn the kind of clauses their contracts contain. Some meeting room chipkali,pleej expoj the details pleej 🙏🏻🤪🫣🤷🏻‍♀️😈😌

This team really knows how to strecth one day into weeks, and Mannat has not seen ARS yet. Havent they finalised new Dua?

Yesterday could only watch clips on yt, waited for episode to be uploaded and I just cant reason with Vikrant anymore. Fine, he wants to show off in front Mannat he too have a happy life. Yashika is after his money but at this point he is using her too if he has no plan to nibhao it. But he was looking arrogant using his money power to make Mannat do what he wants. Nth day of wanting Vik to lose his money and property.

Vik was triggered Mannat referred to Neetu as meri maa and then referred to Neetu as maa to Dhairya in a taunting tone. But then he adds more conditions on a deal using a dying woman who he once called maa as leverage. Dhairya had tears in his eyes, Mannat was shocked and so was I. Was all the tears for Neetu genuine?

Vik needed a reason for him to break his promise to Vish and he really needed Dua in competition. But Mannat living in SM until his marriage in exchange for money? Where did that come from? Is he testing how far Mannat would go for Neetu? If Dhairya being there is a trigger, was he trying to break Mannat and Dhairya 'rishta'? Mannat read him well, but Dhairya keep getting shocked with what he heard.

Why was there no mention of catering deal? This is worse than him saying to Mannat 'I need Dua back' without mentioning about the competition. Then trying to pin the blame on Mannat? Mannat gave back to him nicely. And he was still trying to be aggressive, seem like Dhairya finally lost his patience at the end of it.

They need drama and more episode but after giving all the Babaji signs they are making Vik go so low.

Yuvi came out as surprise..lighting fire which eventually will burn ARS dress and ignoring Indore aunty presence in the party.

Dhairya will probably get transfer to Mumbai after meeting Arzoo, so what will happen to Bunty?

Originally posted by: Moor278

Shaadi is a joke for him... Isiliye kabhi terrace wali Sach ho jaati hai to kabhi sirf Mannat ko pareshan karne kisi aur se shaadi karne ko ready ho jaata.. this time for the second time

Wrote the same when he 'proposed' and went ahead with all the shaadi rasams with Malla