Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 38 - Page 103

Originally posted by: Rdigest

Here's a funny analogy for catastrophe which happened pre-leap ( excluding the Vikrant CA part since this should have never ever happened)

"You cant lite a house on fire, then try to save the house by pouring water and when everything is burnt down, you can't blame the house for burning down"

This analogy applies to Indore Gang also right?🤪

First they lied to Vikrant, hide truth from him and when truth came out ,were trying to prove themselves right and him wrong for trusting his own mom and returned memories .

It's like yes we lied but we are not wrong.

I mean how can you expect from a person to trust you when you are lying again and again?

Where you find this funny analogy? Enlighten me🤪

Originally posted by: truptishree

This analogy applies to Indore Gang also right?🤪

First they lied to Vikrant, hide truth from him and when truth came out ,were trying to prove themselves right and him wrong for trusting his own mom and returned memories .

It's like yes we lied but we are not wrong.

I mean how can you expect from a person to trust you when you are lying again and again?

Where you find this funny analogy? Enlighten me🤪

Just want everyone to grab a fork and take a piece of the pie, Vikrant can take 2 pieces, Mannat can take 1, Indore criminals can divide the rest among themselves

Encouraging everyone with my favorite pie

I have not watched those wedding episodes... dont have a heart to watch them... so I cant say for sure whether he had any guilt.

I will have to rely on Coolmeg who has seen all of them.

From what I know they did have a guilt, apologized, tried to tell Vik but he was not ready to listen.

Sure I understand what you are trying to say about how the drugging was affecting him and how traumatic it was... but probably thats why Neetu never revealed her own doings to Ro. She knew he wouldn't have supported that.

There was also another side to it which all of them were trying to bring out. Did Vik listen???

He threw Ro out, took his property and humiliated him. Shouldn't that upset Ro???

Parents can make mistakes too right? And they apologized.

My point is both RoTu and Mannat have suffered the most. Allegations on both are not the same. Apart from the lying, major allegation on Mannat is the CA which would be resolved only when Duas truth is out...

But RoTus allegation is lying and hiding and being responsible for Amans fathers death... all of which is actually out in open... Vik believes only the half version of it, Vishakhas version and the rest/ RoTus version would be accepted by Vik only after Vish is exposed.

Vik forgiving RoTu for it and vice versa can only happen then.

Mannat and RoTus forgiveness are independent.

Originally posted by: ChaoticTangles

Honestly RD... I have no issues with character pov's as such because I feel all of the characters knows where they went wrong and also understands vik's anger but they majorly have issues with how vik rejected the baby and sent divorce papers to mannat... But this is the point vik didn't do any of this.. this is where writing matters, every character is right from their pov but what about the fact that vik didn't do anything that they are angry with vik... shouldn't they show vik's pov here..?

Bold...

All of them understand Viks anger and thats why they were ready to understand his POV, his pain and frustration...

Isn't that why Mannat made all attempts to clarify what they did? And repeatedly went back to him to sort out the matter? Imagine begging him to get married and saying I will keep apologizing all my life 😢

There were multiple layers to all of that. Drugging and lying was just part of it.

There is a reason why Mannat felt supporting RoTu was right. Vish is a villain and RoTu turned out better. I remember saying Mannat has chosen to support a lesser evil 🤦‍♀️. No one is a saint.

But Mannat was the one who had handled almost all of Viks panic attacks and she also had her own experience of dealing with the truth, she wanted to avoid that for Vik... how is it wrong?

Turkish FL was actually actively trying to get the ML to recall his memories while the MIL tried ti kidnap and kill her. Becauze her birth truth was not out in open and she didnt understand the gravity of the situation... Mannat does.

As far as I remember... DK was planning to put Vish in jail, Vik stopped it and turned it on Neetu. Thats when she willingly went to jail. That broke her too that Vik didnt budge for a minute.

RD... if Vik asked for forgiveness, so did RoTu... isn't this what Ronnie told him on the Solo meet? Did Vik forgive them instantly??? Why does he expect the same from Ronnie?

Also Vik apologized ... but does he really mean it? His behaviour says otherwise.

Like Kidult, Scar and Daman have also said... his indore behaviour is what has tipped the scale for Ronnie. Ro sees no change in Vik.

Dont forget that for Vik, the apology could be for throwing them out... for Indore gang the apology will also be for CAing Mannat, disowning the child, giving her divorce papers... things which Vik doesnt even know has happened. Thats why he is not asking for forgiveness for all that whereas he remains unaware.

Till this expose happens neither Ro nor Mannat is going to soften. Vik has not understood or even thought of why they are angry so much?

The point will always remain that yes all of them committed some mistakes... but were they so big that they did not deserve a second chance???? A minimum introspection on why they would have done it? And what could be their reasons??? For Mannat Vik waa grossly wrong when he felt she could 2 time him... all because she was supporting RoTu, and wanted the wealth... does Vik even know her if he thinks like this?

Even post leap now... Ro doesnt have to provide any proof to Vik... the truth was already out in open 7 years ago.. Vik chose to believe only half part of it.... till he realizes there is another way to look at it.. he wont understand and Ro wont forgive him.... which can only happen after Vish is exposed.

Mannata forgiveness for the funeral day kaand is another matter.

Vikrant has been wronged agreed . The person who wronged him the most Vishaka who sold her son and shifted the blame squarely on DKs shoulder and later played with Neetus mental condition played the victim card and Ebmailed all. Teamed up with ARS and Malla and destroyed Vikrant s life only because she wanted easy access to the Saluja wealth. Vikrant seems to blindly trust her even when a kid like UV is able to aee that MiMo and Vishak are so alike with no maternal instinct. Even when he knows she lied to have been his surrogate and Bua and is treated with respect and free access to Saluja wealth.

Neetu lost her child . The trauma from which she hasn't recovered which is why this puttar jaap. She showered her love and care on him and he became her reason for living

When he started having flashes hearing the name Aman the AC technician she panicked. Raveena started EMO them of revealing the truth in the Bobby Saluja matter and thereafter triggering her panic of losing Vikrant again. If you see her behaviour then you can see it bordered on madness. In her desperation she resorted to Drugging Vikrant. Mannat found it and when the matter was brought out by Keerat ARS manipulated the doctor framed Mannat and began to threaten Neetu. The characters hamaria is her obsessive attachment to her puttar that made her lose her mind and made him drug Vikrant.she dreaded abandonment and was hell bent he should not know the truth which was manipulated to the core by ARS

When the truth surfaced Vikrant reacted exactly as she feared . Had her arrested. Made Ronnie beg on his knees, took away the entire property that Ronnie happily wanted to transfer in the name of Vikrant and Mannat

Unlike ARS Vishaka, Malla and Yashika whose intent is to snatch the wealth of Salujas and who go to any extent for it, Neetus action stem from a deranged mind

Gagan when he learns of Ronnies role in saving Bobby he questions him saying you are the most honest person i have known why did you do it. It was again the fear of losing Vikrant. They did not legally adopt him when Vishaka willingly sold him which is a mistake. Yet they did it in good faith not with any intent to exploit or harm him. They have given him a very happy content and safe lufe till his return to India.

When the plans of ARS and Raveena began to get awry after Mannats entry both exploited Neetus weakness and she got sucked into the quagmire.one can only pity Rotu for how they seem to have list not only Vikrant 1&2 but also kist to the devious plans of ARS and Vishaka.

Mannat and DK s lives seems to have been the collateral damage that ARS and Vishaka have claimed .

Mannats character arc has been crafted in such a way that she fights for justice and protection of thise close to her sometimes unmindful of the harm it brings to her. The way she stands up for Shalini to the extent that Bobby Saluja tries to molest her, she plays Robin hood with Gaganfor the Chawl that was destroyed to kill her and shruti by ARS . She takes away ARSs peoperty to ensure she doesnt demean Gagan. She fights Anirudh for ARS and is almost raped and ARS begins her sob story. She believes that Rontu are good people being manipulated by Vishaka and steps in to protect them which upsets Vikrant. Even after she knew Sunita was not her mother she tries to protect her from ARS s attacks but failed.

DK has lived with Vishaka who planted the guilt in his mind that they lost Aman due to DK. He gathers all evidence to claim him back when Vishaka stops him saying it wont be easy for Vikrant to accept them as family while her intent was all along not to claim Aman but the Saluja property which is why the POA was was on her name. Ahe realised early that Mannat could see through her plans hence was hell bent to keep her away from Vikrant and again used DK at every step till the hitting herself and claiming Dk did it.

The tragedy is both birth mothers are gold diggers with no atom of goodness in them.they are self seeking and would do anything to get their way. Vikrant doesnt have the discerning power and Mannat hasnt been able to prove her integrity to Vikrant. Like the two adoptive mothers she dotes on Dua and is fiercely protective of her and the only difference is she fears losing her to Vikrant.

While the adoptive mothers and Mannat operate out of fear of loosing their child we find the birth mothers and rhe mother of the stolen Yuvi use the children as a pawn.

We are still going around in circles. And everywhere it has become about ML vs FL, which is disappointing to me. Ah well, that's the way ITV operates.

Both Mannat & Vikrant's birth mothers are evil.

But the next gen Mannat & Vikrant are not.

Yet, currently, they have been played upon by their bio mothers.

Noone even knows about ARS, but the Indore 'gang' knows about Vishakha.

As of now, the role of the bio mothers is on the back burner because it's like a pack of cards, you touch one and the the entire lot will fall.

Focus is keeping Manvik away from each other. Will Mumbai change this dynamic?

My question is this...just like we all got hyper when DK was given prominence in the promos, isn't anyone worried about Yashika being given prominence in the latest promo??

https://x.com/animeshgbhaya/status/2017115433900601677

Stable TRPs with increased RCH and TS compared to last week

Seems like separation is working for them. Lmao

No wonder Mukta Tai & co are stretching this snoozefest like a chewing gum

I think this week was the much awaited ManVik faceoff and fight?

God bless us from never ending drag episodes. Still waiting for manvik. I think this wait never end.

Originally posted by: Moor278

Bold...

All of them understand Viks anger and thats why they were ready to understand his POV, his pain and frustration...

Isn't that why Mannat made all attempts to clarify what they did? And repeatedly went back to him to sort out the matter? Imagine begging him to get married and saying I will keep apologizing all my life 😢

There were multiple layers to all of that. Drugging and lying was just part of it.

There is a reason why Mannat felt supporting RoTu was right. Vish is a villain and RoTu turned out better. I remember saying Mannat has chosen to support a lesser evil 🤦‍♀️. No one is a saint.

But Mannat was the one who had handled almost all of Viks panic attacks and she also had her own experience of dealing with the truth, she wanted to avoid that for Vik... how is it wrong?

Turkish FL was actually actively trying to get the ML to recall his memories while the MIL tried ti kidnap and kill her. Becauze her birth truth was not out in open and she didnt understand the gravity of the situation... Mannat does.

As far as I remember... DK was planning to put Vish in jail, Vik stopped it and turned it on Neetu. Thats when she willingly went to jail. That broke her too that Vik didnt budge for a minute.

RD... if Vik asked for forgiveness, so did RoTu... isn't this what Ronnie told him on the Solo meet? Did Vik forgive them instantly??? Why does he expect the same from Ronnie?

Also Vik apologized ... but does he really mean it? His behaviour says otherwise.

Like Kidult, Scar and Daman have also said... his indore behaviour is what has tipped the scale for Ronnie. Ro sees no change in Vik.

Dont forget that for Vik, the apology could be for throwing them out... for Indore gang the apology will also be for CAing Mannat, disowning the child, giving her divorce papers... things which Vik doesnt even know has happened. Thats why he is not asking for forgiveness for all that whereas he remains unaware.

Till this expose happens neither Ro nor Mannat is going to soften. Vik has not understood or even thought of why they are angry so much?

The point will always remain that yes all of them committed some mistakes... but were they so big that they did not deserve a second chance???? A minimum introspection on why they would have done it? And what could be their reasons??? For Mannat Vik waa grossly wrong when he felt she could 2 time him... all because she was supporting RoTu, and wanted the wealth... does Vik even know her if he thinks like this?

Even post leap now... Ro doesnt have to provide any proof to Vik... the truth was already out in open 7 years ago.. Vik chose to believe only half part of it.... till he realizes there is another way to look at it.. he wont understand and Ro wont forgive him.... which can only happen after Vish is exposed.

Mannata forgiveness for the funeral day kaand is another matter.

Bold: But I never said mannat was wrong na @Moor, I have always stood that though mannat lied, it was a white lie, Vik should have forgiven her just like mannat has forgiven him for his mistakes multiple times... I never said anything about mannat, my point was regarding rotu.. and I have already mentioned though I am little sad at ronnie not feeling guilty, I do understand his pov, his main issue is divorce and pregnancy thing which disheveled their lives, but that's something Vik never did... And characters don't know it that's why their pov is right but what about writers shouldn't they give vik's pov regarding this...

Maybe I was not clear with my earlier post but my issues is with writers not addressing vik's side.... according to vik's character arc Vik would have definitely rectified his mistake if mannat/rotu stayed back, them leaving town made him feel they didn't want him in their life, so he stopped pushing his way through their life..and mannat/rotu were right from their pov because they went away thinking that Vik rejected the baby and divorced mannat.... but them showing only indore side without vik's side is literally villainizing him , not that if his story is shown he will be justified for what he did.. but atleast people can understand that though Vik did all of that it was mistake driven by emotions and not because he is some cruel villian who like to torture people..

Vik definitely went overboard with rotu, agreed he is wrong, he is wrong in not listening to to mannat/rotu about what the truth is... but didn't mannat do the same with anirudh, despite knowing how cruel ARS is , mannat believe her with instinct of a women and put her father in jail without getting to know the truth, it was after she got some time, after she cooled down, she was wanting to know the truth and rectify her mistakes....

But did vik ever get that time... No, right?.... Again not pointing out mannat/rotu choices or their pov they are right from their pov , I am pointing out at the direction of narrative... they are unnecessarily crucifying vikrant...